Devil May Cry 4 on 360, PC

By Tom Bramwell Published 20 March, 2007

No longer PS3-exclusive.

Devil May Cry 4 will be released on Xbox 360 and PC as well as PlayStation 3, Capcom said overnight. The 360 version will apparently be released at the same time as the PS3 one - although a release date has yet to be determined.

The publisher said that each game would be refined to take maximum advantage of its home system's capabilities. Capcom's Mark Beaumont added that DMC was "one of Capcom's pillar franchises" and gave the impression the publisher had always wanted it to reach "as wide an audience as possible".

Speculation that the game would make its way to Xbox 360, at least, has been rife for a while, and regularly dismissed by the publisher. That it's true is still slightly surprising, as Devil May Cry 1, 2 and 3 only ever appeared on Sony consoles, although the third game did show up on PC too.

Indeed, Sony will be a bit unhappy, we suspect, about the timing of Capcom's announcement - coming as it does just days before the PS3's launch across PAL territories, and hot on the heels of various short-term slippages that threaten to hamper the console's launch day line-up.

Still, good news for 360 and PC fans. For more on DMC4, check out our Tokyo Game Show first impressions from last September.

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Tom is Operations director of Eurogamer Network and Editor-at-Large of Eurogamer.net. He joined the company in February 2000.

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  • Beano #1 5 years ago

    Let the hate continue here...

  • stuarty_2003 #2 5 years ago

    "We've got to be cruel, to be kind" - said a Capcom marketing chap.

  • Darren #3 5 years ago

    Even though I'm going to be owning a PS3 from Friday, I'd still consider buying this game for the Xbox 360 if only for the rumble which will be lacking in the Sony version. I can't see there being any other differences between the two though.

  • Beano #4 5 years ago

    "I can't see there being any other differences between the two though. "

    Based on what have been shown so far, it doesn't look to push the PS3 or 360 in anyway :)

  • OnlyMe #5 5 years ago

    Who cares, God of War 3 will be a million times better anyway. And it will include rumble, it's been promised.

  • peterfll #6 5 years ago

    Interesting. Capcom to date has been a pretty strong supporter of the 360. Still... interesting.

  • MORZTAN #7 5 years ago

    I like the way this is going :D

    There's no way in hell, that come september MGS4 still will be PS3 exclusive.

    How awesome is it, that you will be able to buy a much cheaper 360, and get ALL the great games from the mistake that is PS3.

    Seems like the only exclusives in the future will be for the Wii. Happy days indeed \o/

  • Dizzy #8 5 years ago

    Developer chooses more popular machine shocker!

    Anyway... this thread will get ugly.

    /signs off

  • Negotiator #9 5 years ago

    This is some funny shit, one by one the PS3 exclusives fall from the proverbial tree and into Bill's wallet like little drops of heaven, I love it.

  • Tricky #10 5 years ago

    "Capcom's Mark Beaumont added that DMC was "one of Capcom's pillar franchises" and gave the impression the publisher had always wanted it to reach "as wide an audience as possible""

    Or in other words, previously they could release only on the PS2 and have no worries about reaching as large an audience as possible, whereas now that's not the case with the PS3.

    Edit: @Morztan - I wouldn't be surprised to see MGS4 as a Sony exclusive still when it's released. I'm pretty sure DMC hasn't been a huge performer for the last two versions, whereas we all know that MGS goes like hot cakes and is a definite system seller. Put it this way: if Sony do let that one slip then they've definitely taken their eye off the ball.

    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 09:42

  • HyperShadow #11 5 years ago

    Heh, After VF5 went to 360, this was the only game left to convince me that I may pick up a PS3 in the future. Oh well, I'll save myself the £425 for now.

    Seems Sony need to do something do stop losing all these exclusives. Drop the console price maybe XD

  • numptyboymatt #12 5 years ago

    Well, if I was buying a PS3, this would have been one of the games I was buying it for. Im made up that this is coming to the 360 as am really looking forward to it.

  • morriss #13 5 years ago

    How long until God of War goes multiplatform? How long until the game itself comes out? Will God of War 2 be backwards compatible?

    All those answers and more in a year's time or so.

  • Killerbee #14 5 years ago

    There's no way in hell, that come september MGS4 still will be PS3 exclusive.

    I can't say I've ever been that fussed about DMC, but IF that ^ were to turn out to be true, it'd just leave Final Fantasy XIII and Team ICO holding my allegiance to Sony's machine... Bill hasn't won me over yet, but Sony are doing a worryingly bad job of holding on to the things that make Playstation special...

  • asphaltcowboy #15 5 years ago

    Good news, 360 version for me I think! Though I bet the PC version will be usual Capcom "atrocious PC-port" fair...

  • Pulsar_t #16 5 years ago

    Good news. The lesser exclusives the better. As for moi, I hope MGS4 goes multiplatform soon enough.

  • asphaltcowboy #17 5 years ago

    morriss, given that GoW is developed by SCEA, I highly doubt it will go multiplatform...

    EDIT: beaten to it! damn!
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 09:51

  • Pulsar_t #18 5 years ago

    I reckon he was being ironic. :?

  • Beano #19 5 years ago

    "How long until God of War goes multiplatform? How long until the game itself comes out? Will God of War 2 be backwards compatible? "

    GoW is a Sony developed title... will never be on Xbox.

    GoW2 is not backward compatible - but the PS3 may be backward compatible with GoW2 :)

  • Tominator6six6 #20 5 years ago

    Cool. But i always knew this was going to happen anyway.

  • Salvia #21 5 years ago

    One thing that puzzles me is why people are so pleased that it seems the 'future of gaming' is in Microsoft's hands?

  • Stormflood #22 5 years ago

    Pretty sucky for Sony, but only yesterday I recall all the Sony haters saying the machine has nothing they want. Funny how things change, huh, hypocrites?

  • Macross #23 5 years ago

    because in the words of uk resistance: they have done a specacularly unremarkable job of everything so far so there's nothing to really hate.

    :)

  • Ace_McCloud #24 5 years ago

    Ho ho ho!

  • MORZTAN #25 5 years ago

    @ Killerbee

    "Team ICO" is also keeping my eyes on the PS3, but with so many of the great games moving to the 360, it won't be so hard waiting a couple of years to buy a PS3 thus saving a couple of hundred.

    @Tricky
    Konami REALLY have to have confidence in MGS4 if they believe it will turn in enough profit by just releasing it on PS3. If the PS3 price hasn't been cut by september, I'm not so sure that it will sell by the millions in the western world.
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 10:05

  • Avaloner #26 5 years ago

    I am quite happy about the news. In my opinion all third party developed games should be multiplatform although I have no qualms with Microsoft or Sony making deals for temporary exclusivity. Good news for all gamers.

  • Diabeu #27 5 years ago

    so Sony has like one big exclusive left, how cute

  • spidermanalf #28 5 years ago

    Shame! Ha.

  • Mordum #29 5 years ago

    A friend of mine had two reasons he was interested in maybe getting a PS3 sometime. One is Ninja Gaiden Sigma (he's a huge Ninja Gaiden fan), and the second was Devil May Cry 4. Seems quite a significant title to lose exclusivity on, still it just means more people will get to enjoy it,which is obviously a good thing.

  • skillian #30 5 years ago

    The publisher said that each game would be refined to take maximum advantage of its home system's capabilities.

    Except the PC version which, rather than being refined, will be like digital crude oil.

  • reality_cheque #31 5 years ago

    Well all I need now is Wipeout for the 360, and my reasons for buying a PS3 when it's cheaper have vanished! :)

    Which is good, as I didn't want to have to wait 3 years for DMC - that would have been arse.

  • Overlush #32 5 years ago

    Great news!! Bring on MGS4!!!

  • BillGaitas #33 5 years ago

    But, how crappy will the pc port be?

  • Overlush #34 5 years ago

    Seriously:

    GTA4
    DMCry
    VTennis
    VFighter
    Assasins Creed
    Armoured Core 4...and others

    ...Sony must be really pissed about all this...

  • dredd97 #35 5 years ago

    wipeout won't becoming on 360 as it's a sony first party game you numpty...

    unlike capcom konami are still chummy with sony, so i expect mgs4 to remain a ps3 exclusive for a period of about 12 months...

    but to be honest when has it ever been good to make 3rd party games exclusives?

    the developer is cutting off a third of it's potential sales by doing so...

    the system sellers will and should always be the first party exclusives, developed to take advantage of that system to the full... 3rd party ones are just ports of each other with little tweaks here and there...

  • penhalion #36 5 years ago

    Sony should be glad that Capcom at least waited to see what european sales would deliver for the PS3 before jumping ship. It's purely a business decision at this stage. They simply will not make back the money on a PS3 only release. This coupled with the amazing reception Dead Rising has gotten has told all Japanese companies that NOT doing a game for 360 also, will more than half sales and profit!

  • BadBoyBonner #37 5 years ago

    Penhalion - I completely agree - the fact that the Wii technology base doesn't (in most cases) offer cross compatibility/sales of titles, is in fact pushing most Japanese developed games to be on both the PS3 AND the 360.

  • JediMasterMalik #38 5 years ago

    Welcome to the miltiplatform generation.

  • Gurgeh #39 5 years ago

    "I can't say I've ever been that fussed about DMC, but IF that ^ were to turn out to be true, it'd just leave Final Fantasy XIII and Team ICO holding my allegiance to Sony's machine... "

    From what I hear the White Engine used for FF XIII is cross platform. Makes you wonder....

  • captainrentboy #40 5 years ago

    Who reeeealy thought this wasn't going to happen anyway? It was only a matter of time until the announcement would be made, Capcom love Microsoft, it's a fact, and by the time DMC4 is released why would they want to miss out on an installed base of ,I'd guess, 15 million?
    Anyway I'm a bit bored of having digs at Sony, it's getting to the stage where I almost feel sorry for them :/ What's left now? MGS4, GT5, and waaay way off GOW3.

  • Vin #41 5 years ago

    Playstationwhat?

    haha.

  • SeesThroughAll #42 5 years ago

    Welcome to the miltiplatform generation.

    I just hope it never turns into the Microsoft generation...

  • enzima #43 5 years ago

    "Who cares, God of War 3 will be a million times better anyway. And it will include rumble, it's been promised. "


    You might wanna re-think you´re concept of "promise", and remember who made this promise in the first place, and how it ended with previous promises....

  • Les #44 5 years ago

    This is bad news for Sony in multiple ways: they lose a strong franchise and it'll probably end up as a shoddy port that'll look terrible on PS3.

    Whether or not this (games going multiplatform in general) is good for gamers remains to be seen. If you like your stuff generic it probably is. But if you like cutting edge games that take 100% advantage of hardware, mutiplatform games are killing.

    The start of this generation will be all about first party. With current development cost and the still limited installed bases (compared to prev. gen) of the three brands, it's practically impossible to get third party exclusivity.

  • Dizzy #45 5 years ago

    "This is bad news for Sony in multiple ways: they lose a strong franchise and it'll probably end up as a shoddy port that'll look terrible on PS3. "

    DMC is running on a cross platform engine from the start (the same as Dead Rising engine) so the fact that it is coming to 360 will not change the game for the PS3.

  • GamesConnoisseur #46 5 years ago

    MWah ha hahaaa!

    Imaging the sinking feelings among diehard zealots, the types who won't get AAA games if its not on Sony machine and diss them as being for girls (Wii) or bland (X360).

    MSG4 will go multi platform, not a question of if but when.

    Will get PS3 at some point far off for the few dwindling exclusives but in no damn hurry!

  • Mr_Brown #47 5 years ago

    Ding dong the witch is dead...

    Heh...another death rattle for Sony then? Well, its another big loss. But they still have some pretty good exclusives...can they hold onto them though?

  • Darren #48 5 years ago

    I wouldn't say that Devil May Cry 4 is a system seller anyway, anymore than Virtua Fighter 5 is so I don't think the fact that it's going multiformat will have any real impact on PS3 sales, certainly not in the same way that Metal Gear Sold 4 or Gran Turismo 5 will.

    And even if the PS3 didn't have any exclusives at all, the machine would still sell in huge numbers because of the allure of the brand name and the diehard Sony fanbase who wouldn't touch any other console not made by Sony.

  • Dizzy #49 5 years ago

    I think most of you overestimate the sales power of MGS.

    It is a million seller but not one of those uber sellers like Halo, Mario or GTA.
    Edited by 2 at 20/03/07 @ 12:04

  • JediMasterMalik #50 5 years ago

    This generation is going to focus alot more on 1st pary game, especially on the nect-gen machines. I think Sony do have the advantage here, but it is, asalways, down to personal preference.

  • skillian #51 5 years ago

    It's sad that people take more pleasure in Sony losing the exclusivity than in gaining a new game for their chosen system.

    In fact, it's more than sad, it's embarrassing. Please, take a look at yourselves.

  • Kami #52 5 years ago

    "Pretty sucky for Sony, but only yesterday I recall all the Sony haters saying the machine has nothing they want. Funny how things change, huh, hypocrites?"

    Hmm...

    hyp·o·crite (Pronunciation [hip-uh-krit])
    noun
    1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
    2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

    Sony PS3 haters aren't hypocrites (Because they'd have to have a PS3 or have one on pre-order for that to be accurate), but any reasons for them to let go of the hate are so far unfounded with the whole way the PS3 is being handled. Losing DMC4 is a blow, because it's another franchise which people know about and has to now been primarily seen as a Sony/Playstation title.

    As for Metal Gear Solid... as said, it's a best seller but I don't get why people think its a system seller, besides - will it be PS3 exclusive forever? I doubt it if past titles are anything to go by...
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 12:14

  • #53 5 years ago

    @skillian

    Couldn't agree more with you.

  • drumbaby #54 5 years ago

    Kami, after all that dictionary style hogwash , the hypocrite thing still stands...many 'haters' want the games Sony're losing, yet only reveal the fact once the game is going to their favoured platform.

  • Moz #55 5 years ago

    The big problem for third parties at the moment, is that they have got used to a user base 100 million.

    Though once PS3 hits over the 10million mark, you'll start seeing more exclusives again.

    I would go holding your breath on MGS4 coming to 360, Sony is likely to pay them off for that one, just PS3 has cost them so much that I dout they have the money keep hold of as many exclusives as they've had in the past.

  • enzima #56 5 years ago

    what a shame to release this news now, at few days from EU launch.....
    anyway DMC its a huge system seller in the US, not really in EU but we know our market is so little that nobody gives a crap. see many examples...

  • #57 5 years ago

    @Kami
    "Sony PS3 haters aren't hypocrites (Because they'd have to have a PS3 or have one on pre-order for that to be accurate),..."

    Wrong! Sony haters are hypocrites!

    They put down anything that is Sony, but when they get the same thing for their machine they get all excited about it. F...... hypocrites, yes.
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 12:20

  • Mr_Brown #58 5 years ago

    Personally I feel Sony have the weakest 1st party in comparison to MS and Ninty. Sure they have Gran Tourismo (which IMO is on the way down now as there isn't really much further you can go with the series) and ICO (which is awesome, admittedly) but their other brands aren't system sellers. Killzone can still create a buzz but it was a major let down. Sony relies on exclusives like DMC4 from Japanese 3rd parties to keep it ahead and though its been trying to shift to 1st party focus, it still hasn't been sucessful in my eyes. Especially if you compare it with MS's huge list of 1st party AAA titles which is growing at a incredible rate and Nintendo's which is the best ever 1st party line up.

    As for DMC not being a system seller. It is in Japan, its much more of a big deal over there than here. Sure its not as big as MGS or Final Fantasy, but that was a big selling point for Sony. Its a big loss. Though it won't kill Sony, it has definatly killed all chances of Sony dominance this gen. They can't compete on the 1st part front. Fact.

  • enzima #59 5 years ago

    why all sony lovers are crying about hypocrites? isn´t it the same thing you guys are doing? lost yet another exclusive and now you go like " exclusive are not that important anyway in this g3n, anyway!"
    Pleaaaaaaseeeeee.......

  • Mr_Brown #60 5 years ago

    "Wrong! Sony haters are hypocrites!

    They put down anything that is Sony, but when they get the same thing for their machine they get all excited about it. F...... hypocrites, yes. "

    Not really...Sony haters are bashing Sony, their brand and their console. The game has no association with Sony other than being available for their console (along with other consoles) so in actual fact no its not hypocritical to like a great game, but hate a poorly marketed console.

  • JediMasterMalik #61 5 years ago

    What about Wipeout? Jak and Daxter? Ratchet and Clank? Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted are all new 1st party IP's which look great.

  • bonker #62 5 years ago

    "Wrong! Sony haters are hypocrites!

    They put down anything that is Sony, but when they get the same thing for their machine they get all excited about it. F...... hypocrites, yes. "

    Christ almighty, that would make them biased or, possibly, bigoted.

    To be hypocrites they would have to dis other people for doing what they do themselves ...

    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 12:33

  • PlugMonkey #63 5 years ago

    "And even if the PS3 didn't have any exclusives at all, the machine would still sell in huge numbers because of the allure of the brand name and the diehard Sony fanbase who wouldn't touch any other console not made by Sony."

    This is one of those statements that people seem to think if they say it often enough, it will somehow miraculously become true. The 'diehard Sony fanbase' is a tiny, tiny minority. The rest of the market really, really doesn't give a flying fornication.

    If they did, Atari would still be with us, Sega would be making the Megadrive V as we speak, Commodore would still rule the home computer market, Apple wouldn't have come along and kicked the living shit out of the Walkman brand, and Sony wouldn't have even been able to get a foothold in the games console market.

    It will come down to the software. It always comes down to the software.

  • Tooss #64 5 years ago

    I have a spare 500 euro's and with the launch hype here in NL I was actually looking for an excuse to buy a PS3 (I know I need abit more :).

    So I finally looked into the lineup but really there is *nothing* there that interests me (except for little big planet maybe but thats next year). So however hard I look I can't justify buying the PS3.

    I still would if I could then sell the 360 because I hate its noisyness so much but I cant sell the 360 with games like bioshock, halo3, mass effect on the horizon. And I couldnt live with not being able to play gears anymore.

    Still from what I observe here in NL I very much doubt if the limited nr of exclusives will have a lot of effect on sales. I read forums where I see many people selling the 360 to buy a PS3. To play what you ask? Resistance is their main answer - so that leads me to conclude for Sony it's not just about the games but much about the brand too. People just buy it because of the power of the PS brand even if there are hardly games. They just live with the games that are available. It's amazing. I think therefore that PS3 will be much bigger in NL soon.

    Long term Sony needs to show games of course, and I dont doubt they will.

    In the meantime - I need MS to shut the 360 up - it's keeping it from being the perfect console / home entertainment hub for me.

  • Moz #65 5 years ago

    "What about Wipeout? Jak and Daxter? Ratchet and Clank? Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted are all new 1st party IP's which look great. "

    So do Sony own Insomniac then?

  • bonker #66 5 years ago

    @ people talking about the 'start' of this gen and 1st/3rd party/exclusive titles etc

    The start of this gen was 16 months ago, not 4 months ago. Everything released for the 360 prior to the PS3 release was an 'exclusive' (in its gen) ...

  • JediMasterMalik #67 5 years ago

    No, but they may aswell do. They do own the IP's though.

  • bonker #68 5 years ago

    "Still from what I observe here in NL I very much doubt if the limited nr of exclusives will have a lot of effect on sales. I read forums where I see many people selling the 360 to buy a PS3. To play what you ask? Resistance is their main answer - so that leads me to conclude for Sony it's not just about the games but much about the brand too. People just buy it because of the power of the PS brand even if there are hardly games. They just live with the games that are available. It's amazing. I think therefore that PS3 will be much bigger in NL soon. "

    I just cannot rationalise that kind of decision making, it really is hard to believe that people would sell their 360 to get a PS3 NOW :)

    "In the meantime - I need MS to shut the 360 up - it's keeping it from being the perfect console / home entertainment hub for me. "

    Ditto, it's my number one (only) problem with my 360 ...

  • Moz #69 5 years ago

    I seem to remeber see some where (can't now find it for the life of me) That was suggesting that Final Fantacy Versus XIII was coming to 360! but not the main FFXIII

    Anyone know if this is true? If so that's bad news for Sony, and doesn't give me much hope at FFXIII stay exclusive!

  • Moz #70 5 years ago

    "Ditto, it's my number one (only) problem with my 360 ... "

    Same here, that and the number of them that have broken down! We have 2 360's in our house that we got at launch and both died with the red ring of death. The newer builds we have now seem more stable. But has left me constantly fretting that they break again in 6 to 12 months from now. If PS3 had come out same time as 360 there's no dout in my mind the PS3 would have stamped the 360 into the ground!

    And despite all the Sony bashing at the mo, the PS3 is still going to do well, as there a large gaps in the 360 line-up which left there wil allow the PS3 to step through and take the top spot again.
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 12:47

  • simo #71 5 years ago

    The noisiness of the 360 won't be a problem for long. MS are now using much quieter BenQ DVD drives, they'll be using a cooler CPU soon, which will produce less heat, thus requiring less fan power, and last but not least, the spring update will include code that will basically tell the current DVD drives to STFU!

  • simo #72 5 years ago

    "And despite all the Sony bashing at the mo, the PS3 is still going to do well, as there a large gaps in the 360 line-up which left there wil allow the PS3 to step through and take the top spot again."

    There are some, yes, but MS are quickly working to fill them. I can think of at least 5 potentially awesome RPG's that will be available for the 360 by the end of this year, for example.

  • Moz #73 5 years ago

    "The noisiness of the 360 won't be a problem for long. MS are now using much quieter BenQ DVD drives, they'll be using a cooler CPU soon, which will produce less heat, thus requiring less fan power, and last but not least, the spring update will include code that will basically tell the current DVD drives to STFU! "

    This is still leaving current owner high and dry, with an infirour model!

    And the spring update worries me, as the only way to make the DVD drive quieter is to change how it access the disc, this could lead to slower loading times in games.

  • FlamingCarrot #74 5 years ago

    Man alive! I sold my 360 to buy a PS3, and i'm getting cold feet. Well, i say that but i also have a fast PC with an 8800GTX etc. I still play on the PC more than the 360, thats better for me, but everyone is looking at this whole PS3 vs 360 thing with a very short term view. I like both companies but Sony's marketing division should be sacked for the Euro PS3 launch. Its a howling balls up. I still look forward to the delights of Team Ico's next offering / Wipeout etc but this war has not even started yet. Once the PS3 drops in price in the run up to Xmas (and that has to happen) and it starts having some must haves, then lets see. In the meantime only early adopters such as myself will be out cash in hand on Friday.

  • Moz #75 5 years ago

    @Simo

    The lack of platformers is a big issue for the 360, i've been happy the last 12 months cos I practically for got platformers existed!! Now see the Rachet & Clank, i'm reminded of how much I enjoyed the first Jak and Daxter. Yes I know Banjo and Kazooie is coming to 360 (though not heard about it in a long time) but can it stand up to J&D and R&C.

    The lack of a new Quantum redshift for the 360 is also a big let down.

  • Tooss #76 5 years ago

    "the spring update will include code that will basically tell the current DVD drives to STFU!"

    Right, I heard about that but I'll believe it when I hear it. It should be possible though - I mean when Im pausing GRAW2 (or any other game) wtf does it keep spinning at 30000rpm? And its at these times that it annoys me the most - not when Im actually in the middle of GRAW2 battlefield :)

    So when is spring? Ah thats in 2 days from now. Bring it on! :)

  • captain-future #77 5 years ago

    The last PS3 bastion is MGS4 (and possibly God of War III)...

  • FlamingCarrot #78 5 years ago

    Just a thought from yesterday

    "Sony is set to sell 4 million PlayStation 3 units to European consumers by the end of 2007, according to Screen Digest.

    Speaking to The Times Online, analyst Nick Parker dismissed suggestions that plentiful stocks of the console could be seen to indicate poor sales performance.

    "The lack of shortage is supply driven; what Sony has shipped will sell," he said.

    "We estimate that Sony will sell around 4 million units in Europe this year, with 1 to 1.5 million in the UK."

    This would mean, according to Parker, that PS3 could overtake Wii in the sales stakes next year - if not by the end of 2007.

    The analyst also said that with the European PS3 launch just days away, sales of Xbox 360 are just 1 per cent higher than this time last year - suggesting that demand for Microsoft's console has peaked."

  • Moz #79 5 years ago

    Sales of the 360 are starting to worry me a little. If it's going to get close to the PS2's success surely they should have sold more units by now, like twice as many units by now! Yes 10million is a magic number but no where near enough!

  • bonker #80 5 years ago

    @FlamingCarrot
    "Man alive! I sold my 360 to buy a PS3, and i'm getting cold feet. Well, i say that but i also have a fast PC with an 8800GTX etc. I still play on the PC more than the 360, thats better for me, but everyone is looking at this whole PS3 vs 360 thing with a very short term view. I like both companies but Sony's marketing division should be sacked for the Euro PS3 launch. Its a howling balls up."

    Why should they be sacked? You still bought one ......

    Come to that - why did you sell your 360 to get a PS3? Not being funny but I can't think of any reason why someone would do that or are you just a gotta-have-the-latest-kit kinda guy? (which is fine, I'm just asking :) )

  • Dizzy #81 5 years ago

    "This would mean, according to Parker, that PS3 could overtake Wii in the sales stakes next year - if not by the end of 2007.

    The analyst also said that with the European PS3 launch just days away, sales of Xbox 360 are just 1 per cent higher than this time last year - suggesting that demand for Microsoft's console has peaked." "

    ROFL....

    Tell that to the shelves full of PS3 preorders. I think it is pretty obvious that PS3 won't even come close to the Wii in 2007. Xmas 2007 is 360 playground as well.... Halo alone will probably ensure that.

    "Sales of the 360 are starting to worry me a little. If it's going to get close to the PS2's success surely they should have sold more units by now, like twice as many units by now! Yes 10million is a magic number but no where near enough! "

    Errr??? Have you checked sales curves of PS2? PS2 sold 7M in it's first year. It started to take off in year 3. Also nobody suggested that 360 would be selling like the PS2... I think that will be hard to beat.
    Edited by 3 at 20/03/07 @ 13:08

  • FlamingCarrot #82 5 years ago

    @Bonker

    Asking the same question myself, but alot of 360 games, Bioshock etc are coming out on the PC and thats my poison of choice. I can see Home being rather good too. I am no fanboy and yes @Dizzy i just love tech ;-)

  • simo #83 5 years ago

    People actually pay attention to analysts?

    The facts on the ground are this. The Wii is selling like hotcakes, the 360 is already sitting pretty at 10 million plus, and Halo 3 will blow the doors off console sales at Christmas, while the sales of the PS3 have been largely underwhelming so far. Those are the iron-clad facts right there. 'Analysts' be damned.

  • JediMasterMalik #84 5 years ago

    The wealth of PC AND 360 games is what is keeping me from getting a 360, I don't see this problem with the PS3.

  • bonker #85 5 years ago

    "The analyst also said that with the European PS3 launch just days away, sales of Xbox 360 are just 1 per cent higher than this time last year - suggesting that demand for Microsoft's console has peaked."

    Man, talk about spin!

    Correct me if I'm wrong but the demand this time last year was pretty darn good, yes?

    So that would suggest that being at the same level or even higher was also pretty darn good, yes???

    Also, re 'only' selling 10 million so far - bear in mind that this was at 'full price'. IF, as expected/hoped, MS drop the Premium to £200 and bring out the uber 360 at £300 then I would expect MS to almost double their tally to 20 million by this Xmas ...

  • bonker #86 5 years ago

    "The wealth of PC AND 360 games is what is keeping me from getting a 360, I don't see this problem with the PS3. "

    I'd never really thought about the impact of PC/360 crossover games but it's a valid point.

    Of course, I'd rather stick red hot needles in my eyeballs than play a game on my PC but hey each to their own :)

  • simo #87 5 years ago

    "The wealth of PC AND 360 games is what is keeping me from getting a 360, I don't see this problem with the PS3."

    "Of course, I'd rather stick red hot needles in my eyeballs than play a game on my PC but hey each to their own :) "

    And therein lies the rub!

  • Dizzy #88 5 years ago

    "The wealth of PC AND 360 games is what is keeping me from getting a 360, I don't see this problem with the PS3. "

    Well MS doesn't mind. PC and 360 are both MS gaming platforms.

  • Nippledoctor #89 5 years ago



    "As Sony's European PlayStation 3 launch on March 23rd draws closer, rumours have again resurfaced about Microsoft hiding a revamped Xbox 360. If we continue to stir the gossip pot with a giant spoon, we might also believe that the low-grade 'Core' Xbox 360 pack will be cancelled, and the 'Premium' pack will benefit from a price drop and include the external HD DVD drive as standard."

    and

    "HMV store cancels midnight PS3 launch"

    Just a couple of news/rumours to add to an already interesting week. Back to Zoo Keeper now.

  • Matsuo #90 5 years ago

    Oh, there goes another franchise. Hm, not much left to pursuade the gamers to buy a PS3.

  • JediMasterMalik #91 5 years ago

    PC and 360 are both MS gaming platforms.

    I could care less about what MS think. Just saying it's less of a reason for me to get a 360. Though MS don't make money from PC games sales, just the sales of windows.

  • Dizzy #92 5 years ago

    >just the sales of windows.

    Indeed. Luckily Windows is pretty uber cheap.

  • SomaticSense #93 5 years ago

    "Who cares, God of War 3 will be a million times better anyway. And it will include rumble, it's been promised. "

    OnlyMe: "Oi Sony, get over here!! I'm bent over and my trousers are down, bugger me to kingdom come. PLEASE, I LOVE YOU GUYS, BUGGER ME!"

    Sony: "You European? Yeah? You drive a Saxo and think everythings 'wicked innit'? You do? Oh alright then.."

    /buggering commences
    Edited by 3 at 20/03/07 @ 13:59

  • The-Bodybuilder #94 5 years ago

    Who's shocked? Ever since Resi 5 was scheduled for the 360, you bet this one would too.
    I'm 90% convinced that MGS will make it's way to the 360 too. People forget that mgs 2 already went to the xbox. And the series is not as big as a seller as it once was (especially in japan land).

  • smoothn00dle #95 5 years ago

    This will create a flaming storm. Rumor will raise to the whole new level.


    Very likely, to persuade Capcom to do it, M$ has to wave royalties for DMC4 and four more games. M$ has the money to do so. This could create another problem for Sony. DMC4 PS3 should have better graphic than Xbox360 DMC4. That would be a problem for M$. I am afraid Capcom would tune down the PS3 graphic to level with Xbox360. This has to be part of the M$-Capcom deal otherwise the joke is on M$.

  • The-Bodybuilder #96 5 years ago

    And before the xbox fanboys dance for joy, it wasn't long ago that sony got an xbox exclusive title in the name of ninja gaiden.

  • Xerx3s #97 5 years ago

    http://ww w.majornelson.com/archive/2007/...

  • Moz #98 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    Do you seriousely still believe that the PS3 is capable of noticably better graphics then the 360!!!

    So far most of the multi-platform games have looked better on 360 and had a better frame rate!!!!

    In 2 years time once people are used to PS3 it might start looking better, but as far as MGS4 and DMC4 are conserned there's unlikely to be a noticable difference, no matter how hard the developers try.

    Yes CELL is more power then XENON

    BUT...

    XENOS is technically better then RSX - And it's the graphics chip that influences how the graphics looks more then the CPU.

  • Xerx3s #99 5 years ago

    And before the xbox fanboys dance for joy, it wasn't long ago that sony got an xbox exclusive title in the name of ninja gaiden.

    Getting a last generation game while the competition gets the next gen sequel isn't really in the same league as getting one next gen competition exclusive after another to go multi platform, is it?

  • schmilly #100 5 years ago

    has anyone considered that while it's all fine and dandy that a former PS3 Capcom exclusive is now showing up on 360, it's also equally possible for current 360 Capcom exclusives (Lost Planet and Dead Rising spring to mind) to be ported to Sony's black bloater?

  • Xerx3s #101 5 years ago

    What about Wipeout? Jak and Daxter? Ratchet and Clank? Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted are all new 1st party IP's which look great.

    Indeed. I agree that it will be the age of multiplatform with the underlining on 1st party (GoW, PGR, Wipeout, Mass Effect, Fable, J&D/R&C, Mario, Metroid, Halo, etc.).

  • simo #102 5 years ago

    The problem as far as I can see is that Sony have traditionally relied mainly on great third party exclusives. But now, they're losing those at a rate of knots. Whereas MS have steadily built up a sizeable first party range, Sony are increasingly dependent on developers who no longer feel they owe them their debt, and are prepared to whore themselves out to the highest bidder - MS - who end up with the best of both worlds. Loads of great first party exclusives, and the best third parties have to offer. Truly a worrying time for Sony.

  • Xerx3s #103 5 years ago

    Very likely, to persuade Capcom to do it, M$ has to wave royalties for DMC4 and four more games. M$ has the money to do so. This could create another problem for Sony. DMC4 PS3 should have better graphic than Xbox360 DMC4. That would be a problem for M$. I am afraid Capcom would tune down the PS3 graphic to level with Xbox360. This has to be part of the M$-Capcom deal otherwise the joke is on M$.

    A) Most exclusives are paid for, you don't go exclusive unless it is more beneficial than multi platform.
    B) Surely the sales of DR and the ratio of 10 million 360's vs 4 million ps3's has nothing to do with it. Let's face it, they need to sell to make a profit, you want as many potential customers.
    C) Oh look at me! I still use $ signs when I write M$! $ony! See what I did there?! LOL!!!one!
    D) Yeh, obviously the ps3 will have the best graphics. It is absolutely impossible that the graphics are equal or better on the 360. If they are, ms obviously paid for it to happen. LOL!!!one!!!

  • FlamingCarrot #104 5 years ago

    Sony worried? Methinks not. This really is just the start of long product cycles for both consoles. Trip out of the blocks for Sony sure, but MS had units red ring of death thing, recent appearences on watchdog etc. V2 of the 360 with quieter drive (HD as standard potentially), HDMI etc will be the one to have.
    We can only look on the current situation with the loss of exclusives but don't count Sony out yet.

  • _Price_ #105 5 years ago

    Console exclusives become less and less common as production costs go up. Developers just can't get the profits they needs from one console anymore so they either start porting/remodeling (as was the case with GTA this/last gen) or make a version with a few extra tweeks for a multiformat release.

    Personally I'm wishing for the day when we have the fabled 'single format' and it finally becomes all about how good the games are. Until then (I'm thinking some point between 2050 and 3050) it just means that I only going to stump up the cash for a 360 OR a PS3.

    Halo 3 or Final Fantasy XIII?

    Decisions, decisions.
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 14:32

  • smoothn00dle #106 5 years ago

    @Moz

    Capcom has spent two years in DMC4 as PS3 exclusive. With Capcom's experience and skill, they mind crack the power of the PS3. I don't see there is overwhelming evidents that ATI's Xenos is better than Nivida's RSX but Nivida is a better video card maker.

    But that is not the main point. Cell is better than XENON, BlueRay is better than DVD. The overall performance of PS3 is better than Xbox360. For example: if DMC4 has the size of twenty gigabyte. PS3 has the advantage here.
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 14:34

  • FunkyRenegade #107 5 years ago

    "And before the xbox fanboys dance for joy, it wasn't long ago that sony got an xbox exclusive title in the name of ninja gaiden."

    That wasn't one of 2 or 3 games that made people want to buy an Xbox now was it?

    Another reason for me not to waste half a grand on it...
    All that's left is Final Fantasy XIII...

  • DanMW #108 5 years ago

    This news doesn't surprise me, and don't expect it to surprise many, we all know Capcom has been a big supporter of 360.

    Personally I don't think it's a great loss to Sony. The big ones are FFXIII and MGS4 and Sony would do well to keep them exclusive.

  • Zane #109 5 years ago

    that leaves one game i want a ps3 for now :( lol.

  • redd #110 5 years ago

    Who is this smoothn00dle and why is he here?

    Makes me wish EG only covered PC games...

  • Xerx3s #111 5 years ago


    Capcom has spent two years in DMC4 as PS3 exclusive. With Capcom's experience and skill, they mind crack the power of the PS3. I don't see there is overwhelming evidents that ATI's Xenos is better than Nivida's RSX but Nivida is a better video card maker.

    But that is not the main point. Cell is better than XENON, BlueRay is better than DVD. The overall performance of PS3 is better than Xbox360. For example: if DMC4 has the size of twenty gigabyte. PS3 has the advantage here.

    I just wanted to quote you on this so you can't remove it later on.

  • Moz #112 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    For starters RSX is based on the G70 which can't do HDR and anti-alisasing at the same time!

    The R560 chipset that XENOS is based on has been proven countless times to be better then G70.

    As for NVIDIA vs ATI they keep swopping which is better, but ATI has consistantly had better more stable graphics drivers.

    Also there's the memory issue, RSX only has 256Mb where as XENOS has access to all 512Mb in the 360 so it can use what ever the CPU doesn't need.


    As for the old blu ray argument, the only reason games like DMC4 are so big is because the programmers aren't bothering to compress anything cos they don't have to. If Crysis can fit on a DVD then anything the PS3 or 360 can do surely can as well.

    And as a case in point I'm pro both system, they are both amazing systems, with their own strengths and weeknesses, which balance out in a way that will stop us seeing any majour differences for some years to come.

  • skillian #113 5 years ago

    Moz, good post and I agree with pretty much all you said, but ATI certainly haven't had better drivers for their video cards. It's the one thing nVidia consistently does better than ATI (8000 series notwithstanding).
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 15:55

  • Xerx3s #114 5 years ago

    The R560 chipset that XENOS is based on has been proven countless times to be better then G70.

    Rubbish.

  • Feanor #115 5 years ago

    "This is bad news for Sony in multiple ways: they lose a strong franchise and it'll probably end up as a shoddy port that'll look terrible on PS3."

    Where do you come up with this stuff? DMC 4 was developed first for the PS3 so how it can it suddenly become a port?

  • drumbaby #116 5 years ago

    Joystiq are saying that Sony have now lost the Ace Combat series completely.

    Cor.

  • TONYgr #117 5 years ago

    GOOD MOVE SONY!!YOU GIVE ME MORE AND MORE REASONS NOT TO BUY YOUR CONSOLE!

  • Pulsar_t #118 5 years ago

    Moz, I can summon forth people who would testify that NVidia's drivers are better than ATI's. ATI generally manufactures better hardware, but their drivers were always lagging behind. It's interesting to witness NVidia's recent debacle with Vista support however.

  • thinktank #119 5 years ago

    tea anyone?

  • Machetazo #120 5 years ago

    This is FANTASTIC news! :D It's good to see this type of game also has a place on the Xbox 360 - pure action games are a bit low on the ground on the platform, atm. I HUGELY enjoyed Devil May Cry (gave the second a reluctant pass) and while I didn't get into three that heavily, this gets a green-light for me because of how I felt about DMC1, and how much I enjoyed that. At least till I look into four a bit more, now that I can more easily play it. :)

    I mean, I thought DMC looked sensational, in all of its style and flair on those older Playstations, so I'm in stunned anticipation to see what Capcom can do with so much more powerful technology. Bring it on, guys. :)

  • Eraysor #121 5 years ago

    I fucking love you Capcom.

  • TRUTH #122 5 years ago

    Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

    There are three critical performance aspects of a console:

    * Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
    * The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
    * Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
    * The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
    * Memory System Bandwidth
    * The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.

    PU
    The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

    The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

    The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

    Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.

    Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.

    Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.

    Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

    Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.

    Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.

    Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point—probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.


    RSX GPU

    * 550 MHz
    * Independent vertex/pixel shaders
    * 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance)
    * 300M transistors
    * 136 "shader operations" per clock

    The interesting ALU performance numbers are 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance), 300M transistors, and more than twice as powerful as the 6800 Ultra.

    The 51 billions dot products per cycle were listed on a summary slide of total graphics system performance and are assumed to include the Cell processor. Sony's calculations seem to assume that the Cell can do a dot product per cycle per DSP, despite not having a dot product instruction.

    However, using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.

    It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

    With the number of transistors being slightly larger on the Xbox 360 GPU (330M) it's not surprising that the total programmable GFLOPs number is very close.


    Bandwidth
    The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

    The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.


    Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.

    The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

    HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices.



  • simo #123 5 years ago

    I *heart* tech geek speak!

    :/

  • Les #124 5 years ago

    @ BORING

    Please, not again...

  • seedaripper #125 5 years ago

    i cant believe i read some post relating to 'This is some funny shit, one by one the PS3 exclusives fall from the proverbial tree and into Bill's wallet like little drops of heaven, I love it. '
    bill gates IS A FUCKING PRICK!
    get it into your thick heads please!!! (he fucking monopolises EVERYTHING on the fucking planet!!!!-and they're shit products!!!)
    christ all mighty....
    *breaths deeply* rant over...you may proceed.

  • TRUTH #126 5 years ago

    The PS3 was actually ready as the same time as 360; due to manufacturing parts this caused the delay PS3 retail release. This however did not effect game development for PS3 games, as dev-kits and fully manufactured PS3 consoles were already being used to make games: Motorstorm, Resistance To Man by developers...but! due to not able making enough consoles for release date, the PS3 date was pushed back. This gave developers more time to develope games for PS3. So they actually had more extra time to develope & understand the PS3. So in fact the PS3 is the same age as Wii & 360, it's 1st gen PS3 games are actually more 2nd gen, due to the extra time.

  • Pulsar_t #127 5 years ago

    @Truth,did you write that or copy it from somewhere? If it's the former, then you're awesome :D But please cite your source otherwise.

  • seedaripper #128 5 years ago

    'Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

    There are three critical performance aspects of a console:

    * Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
    * The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
    * Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
    * The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
    * Memory System Bandwidth
    * The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.

    PU
    The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

    The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

    The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

    Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.

    Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.

    Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.

    Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

    Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.

    Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.

    Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point—probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.


    RSX GPU

    * 550 MHz
    * Independent vertex/pixel shaders
    * 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance)
    * 300M transistors
    * 136 "shader operations" per clock

    The interesting ALU performance numbers are 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance), 300M transistors, and more than twice as powerful as the 6800 Ultra.

    The 51 billions dot products per cycle were listed on a summary slide of total graphics system performance and are assumed to include the Cell processor. Sony's calculations seem to assume that the Cell can do a dot product per cycle per DSP, despite not having a dot product instruction.

    However, using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.

    It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

    With the number of transistors being slightly larger on the Xbox 360 GPU (330M) it's not surprising that the total programmable GFLOPs number is very close.


    Bandwidth
    The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

    The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.


    Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.

    The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

    HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices. '
    hey look....i just did what you did!
    (thank god for cut an paste eh -im sure i read something 'similar/plagerised' about a year ago via a microsoft employee) ;)
    shame

  • TRUTH #129 5 years ago

    Please note that the PS3 was actually ready at the same time as the 360. Due to Sony unable to manufacture enough PS3 parts, the full console was delayed for release. ..This did not effect game developers, as they already had fully developed PS3's, inc development kits. In fact due to delay; the PS3 games had extra time for development & ironing out problems. In truth the PS3 is the same age as 360, inc it's '1st gen games' which are more '2nd gen' (Motorstorm & Resistance to Man).

  • monkey-ken-wizard #130 5 years ago

    That’s good news, I enjoyed the first one.
    Just when Sony thought they were out of the woods.....
    How long to the Playstation melt down?
    6 or 12 months?

  • effinwooly #131 5 years ago

    who is going to buy a PS3 at launch ? Maybe in a year or so, but launch ??

  • JediMasterMalik #132 5 years ago

    Me. Why would this effect your launch purchase, it's not a launch title clever clogs.

  • TRUTH #133 5 years ago

    Alan Wake, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Forza Racing (totally killer GT(boring)), Fable 2 (Zelda be scared), Blue Dragon, Lost Oddysee, Enternal Darkness 2 (the 1st was a classic original Gamecube horror game), Ninja Gadin 2, Halo Wars, Command & Conquer, Project Gothem Racing 4, Banjo Kazooie (Rare Classic), Vina Pintna 2 (The 1st one was pure quality and highly recommended to all Sim, Animal Farm, Pokemon fans), Dead Or Alive 4, the next Splinter Cell is exclusive to 360 only...some of the quality 360 exclusives & not forgetting HALO 3 & GEARS OF WARS 2, CRACKDOWN 2, .

    Virtua Tennis 3, Virtua Fighter 5, Gta 4, Resident Evil 5, Assassin Creed, Armoured Core 4, Devil May Cry 4, urm just some PS3 exclusives gone!


    Dead Or Alive 4, Elder Scrolls, Lost Planet, Gears Of War, Dead Rising, F.E.A.R, Vina Pitna, Crackdown, Project Gothem Racing, Burnout Takedown, Ghost Reacon 2,Splinter Cell Double Agent, Kameo, Xbox Live, Xna, Xbox 360 HDTV...that's the reason i prefer the 360 above my PS3.

  • JediMasterMalik #134 5 years ago

    You're just spamming now, and no way do you have a PS3.

  • Les #135 5 years ago

    @ BORING

    You sure write/copy-paste a lot of bullshit. Are you by any chance affiliated to Crazy mike_mgoblue?!

    Back to the topic:

    While titles going multiplatform is good news for those of us short of cash, for gaming in general this isn't too good IMO. No serious gamer can be happy with a next gen that consists mainly of average ports and few titles that really tap into the power of the various hardware configurations. I can understand it from the perspective of the publishers, they have to make money. But if they think that stuffing generic dross to the public is the way to expand the video game market, I think they are very wrong. Unfortunately there are few people that can see past the short term...

  • MaxiSleep #136 5 years ago

    JediMasterMalik
    20-Mar-07 20:31:03

    "You're just spamming now, and no way do you have a PS3. "

    Hells donkeys Jedi. It is perfectly possible to have a ps3. Its just sony was too crap a manu/engineering outfit to have them in Europe at the same time (officially) as us/japan.

    Your pro sony blinkers need adjusting methinks. You cant see the oncoming traffic :)

    Edited by 2 at 20/03/07 @ 22:02

  • TRUTH #137 5 years ago

    The price point is key factor i think the PS3 is not the gaming splender Sony hope you to belive, i do have one, though it's my brother who owns it. I do read alot into the technology as i do like to own the best gaming machine and with power in graphics - this is the reason i do my research into the technology in consoles - but for gaming only. This is the reason i think the Wii will fall into 3rd place not to far in the future. It simply is ill equiped to handle games that are 'Now' on PS3 & 360. With Mass Effect, Fable, Assassin Creed to come Wii personally will look a bit dated in gameplay/graphics.

    If you understand the CUSTOM graphic chips/cpu developed especially for 360, you'll understand the advantage capabilities the 360 has over the PS3. It has all been developed for it's main purpose - GAMING!...Also the flexible and higher bandwidth is another leap over PS3. Add to this the software thar MS put into place.

    I.m not a fanboy as i have owned most consoles (sadly the Atari Jaguar & 3DO too!) but for a price the PS3 my brother paid for, i honestly belive it has a hell of lot of work to do before it can justify it's cost. As seeing/playing the games on PS3 has
    simply reminded of Sony's previous mega powerful claim they made with the PS2 (PS2 emotion engine is capable of guideing missiles - GT only uses 10% of PS2 emotion engine, it can produce real time graphics that equal Toy Story)

    As for the Wii - urm Zelda!

  • TRUTH #138 5 years ago

    lease note that the PS3 was actually ready at the same time as the 360. Due to Sony unable to manufacture enough PS3 parts, the full console was delayed for release. ..This did not effect game developers, as they already had fully developed PS3's, inc development kits. In fact due to delay; the PS3 games had extra time for development & ironing out problems. In truth the PS3 is the same age as 360, inc it's '1st gen games' which are more '2nd gen' (Motorstorm & Resistance to Man).

    The delay was there! Sony also put date back for USA/Japan due to get the games up to scratch too. Motorstorm originally started over 2yrs ago. Remember the Fmv showen by Sony for mud particles about a 1+ years ago. showing the development for
    PS3. At this time 360 showed Kameo/Pgr.

  • drumbaby #139 5 years ago

    Fuck off Truth, you're a twit.

  • SeesThroughAll #140 5 years ago

    TRUTH sounds like a bot written by a lazy shill, posting the exact same text 3 or 4 times.

  • JediMasterMalik #141 5 years ago

    Yup Maxisleep, he's not a spammer at all. No sirreee.

    Twat.

  • mike_mgoblue #142 5 years ago

    I can't wait to play Ninja Gaiden 2 on the Xbox 360...it is ONLY appearing on the Xbox 360!

    Ninja Gaiden Sigma on the PS3 is just a remake of the game called Ninja Gaiden Black on the original Xbox.

  • Carrybagma #143 5 years ago

    Out and out screaming fanboy tosser.

  • TRUTH #144 5 years ago

    Another game that is now looking really good, that could actually be as exciting as DMC4, Ninja Gadin 2 is Too Human. Didn't really shine at it's 1st showing back in E3, but having seen it now - WHOO! graphics, action, effects, drama - it has it all. Made by the same guys who did Enternal Darkness & Metal Gear Solid for Gamecube...Also Enternal Darkness 2 is heading to 360 (the 1st was a quality game with some great original twists in - a pity only Gamacube owners experienced this gem)

  • mike_mgoblue #145 5 years ago

    I have seen quite a few TV shows all across Europe that talk about how people are now forgetting about their Playstation 3 pre-orders and instead buying the Xbox 360 with quite a few games.

    This makes sense to me, because the Xbox 360 has a LOT more high-quality exclusive games, and all of the games appearing on both systems have better graphics and better online play on the Xbox 360.

  • TRUTH #146 5 years ago

    I can guarantee MGS4 will come to 360, and FF - who cares! When you have Oblivion, Blue Dragon, Lost Oddysee, Mass Effect, Knights Of The Old Republic 3, Jade Empire 2 and i've read Hell Gate London is coming too (Rpg, fps) & not forgetting Bioshock (rpg, si-fi horror, fps, adv)...Final Fantasy is so overrated to many PC rpg's (which can easily come to 360).

  • TRUTH #147 5 years ago

    I can guarantee MGS4 will come to 360, and FF - who cares! When you have Oblivion, Blue Dragon, Lost Oddysee, Mass Effect, Knights Of The Old Republic 3, Jade Empire 2 and i've read Hell Gate London is coming too (Rpg, fps) & not forgetting Bioshock (rpg, si-fi horror, fps, adv)...Final Fantasy is so overrated to many PC rpg's (which can easily come to 360).

  • mike_mgoblue #148 5 years ago

    Well,

    Just consider that Microsoft is invited to the May celebration of the 20th anniversary of the Final Fantasy franchise, and then consider that Microsoft is the publisher of the Square Enix designed game called, Silpheed, and you will think that there is an EXCELLENT chance Final Fantasy will also be released for the Xbox 360.

    If not, who cares, Mass Effect and Lost Odyssey will blow it away!!!
    Edited by 1 at 25/03/07 @ 19:11