Deadly Creatures Comments by Dan Whitehead

i bought the game :) find it quite fun tbh... shame street fighter 4 got here this morning

cheesy jpop

It's continously incredulous that this is the situation we're in as gamers.

There are two other consoles, I'm not sure why the third one which you don't own and evidently has games you're not interested in is such a problem for you unless you're part of some kind of hardcore gamer Stasi dedicated to uncovering casual gamers.

Wow, that's a low character considering you actually gave the idea and execution some praise. Considering Alone in the Dark got an 7 i'm gonna avoid this like the plague.

I have a fondness for Nintendo. They used to be a company I really respected.

Who said the Wii has games I'm not interested in? Unfortunately, the ones I am interested in have last-gen graphics and rely on a motion sensor that doesn't sense motion properly.

The Wii's a bit shit when you compare it to what you could be playing, and I struggle to understand why people have such a hard time admitting that. I'm not going to use the F word but seriously, how about you just stop taking it personally and accept it?

Seems like not everyone inside Eurogamer has the same opinion of this one...

http://www.eurogamer.it/articles/deadly-...

There are two other consoles, I'm not sure why the third one which you don't own and evidently has games you're not interested in is such a problem for you unless you're part of some kind of hardcore gamer Stasi dedicated to uncovering casual gamers.

it is a problem for owners of the other 2 consoles, because it drastically reduces the number of potentioally good games released. the development of a wii game (even though dev cycles are short) wastes the time of people that could actually be out there, making good games.

you want an example? shigeru miyamoto. the man used to make some of the best games around, and now all he does is turn out crap, largely due to the fact that he's working on a very weak piece of hardware that comes bundled with what is probably the worst control system we've ever seen on a console. just imagine a new mario or zelda game on a machine like the 360/PS3 - pure win. but instead, we got Wii Music.

@JahB

+1

A 4 is incredibly harsh. And the combat's not actually that difficult - it's a case of learning attack patterns and responding accordingly, not just about flailing away. It's too short, and it's a pity there's not more aside from the story mode, but I'd be looking at giving this at least a 6 if not a low 7.

Re: the camera issue, I think in general it does remarkably well considering the complexity of some of the level layouts (as the spider you can climb up walls and upside down, for example). But when it does go wrong, it does spazz out quite spectacularly.

just imagine a new mario or zelda game on a machine like the 360/PS3 - pure win. but instead, we got Super Mario Galaxy, one of the best reviewed, best selling, most fun game experiences this generation.

fixed

;)

The Wii's a bit shit when you compare it to what you could be playing, and I struggle to understand why people have such a hard time admitting that. I'm not going to use the F word but seriously, how about you just stop taking it personally and accept it?

I research the games I buy before I buy them and more often than not, I like them. Is that taking it personally? What am I supposed to admit to? What games should I be enjoying? Please help me here...

When one website gives a game 4 and most give it 7 or 8, something's evidently up with the review which gives the game 4, especially when their reasons for marking the game down are not shared by the other reviews.

it is a problem for owners of the other 2 consoles, because it drastically reduces the number of potentioally good games released. the development of a wii game (even though dev cycles are short) wastes the time of people that could actually be out there, making good games.

you want an example? shigeru miyamoto. the man used to make some of the best games around, and now all he does is turn out crap, largely due to the fact that he's working on a very weak piece of hardware that comes bundled with what is probably the worst control system we've ever seen on a console. just imagine a new mario or zelda game on a machine like the 360/PS3 - pure win. but instead, we got Wii Music.

Putting controller complaints aside (you either find it intuitive, or you 'unlearn' the pre-existing ideas you have about using controllers, or you hate it and refuse to use it), it was a concious decision of Nintendo to expand the market because if they didn't they'd have been bankrupt by now. Unlike Microsoft and Sony they can't carry on in the same direction and burn cash from other business units to get there. Their only choice was to expand the market and make a profitable console on hardware sales alone, and this they did.

And given that Nintendo only make games for Nintendo consoles, no matter what Miyamoto does it doesn't affect you because you've got a different console as you're not interested in Nintendo's new direction.

Maybe you could explain how Mario Galaxy should have turned out 'on a machine like the 360/PS3'. Obviously the great legendary games developer is past his prime and it's up to you to pick up where he left off. Let's hear your ideas.

OHHH MY GOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HAVEN'T READ THE REVIEW AND I DON'T THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO

When one website gives a game 4 and most give it 7 or 8, something's evidently up with the review which gives the game 4, especially when their reasons for marking the game down are not shared by the other reviews.

You are talking of a Wii conspiracy to take the piss out of yourself, and I claim my £5.

@rhubarbandcustard

Having seen a foot-stamping, dummy-spitting post of yours on a previous Comments thread, your 'shaming the gaming community' thread is actually beyond irony into a whole place that would need a new word to describe

@schnide

"You know, like gamers are ignoring the Wii because the games just aren't good enough to compete" Careful with the generalisations chief. Sure it's had a bad few months since Smash Bros, albeit nowhere near as bad as some of the anti-Wii obsessives make out but there is good stuff on it. I'm 32, been playing games for over 20 years and am more than happy with it, especially as it didn't need me to buy a new TV to get the best out of it (a factor in the machine's success often, bizarrely, completely overlooked)

@JahB

"it is a problem for owners of the other 2 consoles, because it drastically reduces the number of potentioally (sic) good games released" How exactly? People keep saying this, and yet there are still floods of games being released for 360/PS3. A couple of years ago it seemed possible that this would happen, but it simply hasn't, thankfully

@Dan234:
I don't find the controls intuitive, and it has nothing to do with unlearning old stuff. From a technical standpoint, the Wii's motion sensing ability (and with that its entire control system) is of very poor quality, and even if you love your Wii you can't possibly deny that.

As for Mario Galaxy - ingenious design, but please don't tell me that the everything that had to do with motion-sensing didn't feel painfully tacked on. The unfortunate truth here is that that Mario Galaxy would have been a lot better than it was, had it been designed for a proper console. You're asking me how it would have turned out on 360/PS3? Imagine Mario64, quite possibly the best platform game ever made, and then add to that the technical possibilites available today. I'm well aware of the fact that Miyamoto works for Nintendo only, but imagine Nintendo had made a console like the other 2 did. Nintendo would have less money by now, but their catalogue would quite probably be second to none.

I hear you on Nintendo's marketing concept, but I don't quite agree; yes they had to come up with something new, but they weren't forced to sell the audience that kept them afloat for the past 20 years down the river for it. Even with the weak technology present in the Wii, they could have tried to churn out some quality games. But they didn't, and gave us piles of shovelware instead; and following this trend, you get games like Deadly Creatures. Which also might have been quite good, had it been done on a high-end machine.

The game is bloody good guys, I'm currently playing it. Eurogame have no idea - shit review for a Wii game as usual. Eurogamer is prob one of the worst for reviews on the web, if you want to get the correct idea about this game then check out more experienced game site like, IGN, Gamespy etc.

Honestly the person that reviewed this only sounds like he has played the first level. Fucking moron

@anonymous anti-Wii troll #232,109: "The unfortunate truth here is that that Mario Galaxy would have been a lot better than it was, had it been designed for a proper console. You're asking me how it would have turned out on 360/PS3? Imagine Mario64, quite possibly the best platform game ever made, and then add to that the technical possibilites available today."

I believe that the Gamecube was arguably more graphically powerful than the PS2?
I also believe that Super Mario Sunshine, on the Gamecube, can be said to be a graphically improved Mario64 in a new setting etc.?

Yet consensus has it that Galaxy>Sunshine in all areas.

Nintendo did the whole powerful console thing. It failed pretty miserably. So now they are courting new 'casual' gamers or older ex-geek gamers who don't need the hassle anymore. Sorry that you are not one of them, and enjoy your achievement points.

1) Lack of adverts for this game any where on this site
2) Not a fps game

- yip score was expected.

Nintendo did the whole powerful console thing. It failed pretty miserably. So now they are courting new 'casual' gamers or older ex-geek gamers who don't need the hassle anymore. Sorry that you are not one of them, and enjoy your achievement points.

oh yeah, i forgot. were the SNes and the N64 (both very powerful consoles in their days) miserable failures as well? And what hassles are you speaking of? Plus, your description of Nintendo's target audience is very charming, but unfortunately just another way of saying this:

So now they are courting new 'casual' gamers or older ex-geek gamers who can't tell quality from shovelware.

@schnide

You are talking of a Wii conspiracy to take the piss out of yourself, and I claim my £5.

No I'm not, I'm talking about a poor score without sufficient justification. The majority of reviews give it 7-8 (see Metacritic). As someone else comented, EG.it liked it enough and gave it a 7.

@JahB

I don't find the controls intuitive, and it has nothing to do with unlearning old stuff. From a technical standpoint, the Wii's motion sensing ability (and with that its entire control system) is of very poor quality, and even if you love your Wii you can't possibly deny that.

Well haven't had any problems with e.g. Wii Sports, Metroid Prime 3, World of Goo, Mario Galaxy, Boom Blox, etc...

The unfortunate truth here is that that Mario Galaxy would have been a lot better than it was, had it been designed for a proper console. You're asking me how it would have turned out on 360/PS3? Imagine Mario64, quite possibly the best platform game ever made, and then add to that the technical possibilites available today.

Still confused. You mean you wanted Mario Galaxy but in HD? The same game with twice the vertical resolution and a standard controller would have made you happy?

I'm well aware of the fact that Miyamoto works for Nintendo only, but imagine Nintendo had made a console like the other 2 did. Nintendo would have less money by now, but their catalogue would quite probably be second to none.

Quite possibly. And maybe also deleted because nobody publishes them any more.

I hear you on Nintendo's marketing concept, but I don't quite agree; yes they had to come up with something new, but they weren't forced to sell the audience that kept them afloat for the past 20 years down the river for it. Even with the weak technology present in the Wii, they could have tried to churn out some quality games. But they didn't, and gave us piles of shovelware instead; and following this trend, you get games like Deadly Creatures. Which also might have been quite good, had it been done on a high-end machine.

Very few Nintendo games are shovelware, although Animal Crossing and Wii Music could have been done far better. The shovelware games are from third parties, but this developer has evidently made an effort here and most of the reviews show that. If it had been on the PS360 it would probably have not seen the light of day given the cost of development on these machines, especially the PS3.

(last post was a joke btw for those of you following along)

BUT WTF IS UP WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Are you lot RETARDED?

A THIRD PARTY releases a game - which is reviewed badly here (but reviewed highly on other sites).. and that is apparently PROOF that the CONSOLE is shit? (And some of you are even saying it means nintendo make shit games?!?)

OMFG! Do you fanboys not realise how FUCKING STUPID you sound sometimes?

The last ounce of intelligence i've given to gamers has walked out and left the building. I'm now adamant that gamers truely are the dumbest f*cks in the world and gaming really does damage your intelligence (or at least thats how it feels when reading threads like this)

I mean when i was a lad we used to argue if the amiga was better than the ST and stuff.. But it never went to this level of stupidity where people were using arguments which were completely against all forms of common sense!

it is a problem for owners of the other 2 consoles, because it drastically reduces the number of potentioally good games released. the development of a wii game (even though dev cycles are short) wastes the time of people that could actually be out there, making good games.

This sounds pretty much like what PC gamers say about the 360 and co., followed by abuse and cries of elitism.

It's amusing how it's suddenly become an accepted argument for some now that "next gen" console gamers seem to find themselves in a similar situation.

@Dan234

I'm going to pick up on the control issue. Please explain the need for Wii Motion Plus.

Not just the need for it, but the fact that Nintendo are officially releasing it themselves.

To provide 1-to-1 control as opposed to a pointer and motion control.

It's really very simple.

I'm going to pick up on the control issue. Please explain the need for Wii Motion Plus.

@schnide

Not just the need for it, but the fact that Nintendo are officially releasing it themselves.

Because the Wiimote can't detect rotational motion when the camera doesn't have view of the sensor bar. Motion+ has three rotational sensors which fix this.

As to why they didn't include it in the first place, the price and size of gyroscopes in 2005 made them difficult to include.

As to why they're including it now, evidently some kinds of games would play better with more rotational precision when the Wiimote isn't pointing at the sensor bar.

As to why Nintendo they're releasing it themselves, I suppose only the manufacturer can roll out an upgrade like this with any degree of success.

Hope that helps.

So it wasn't good enough the first time around, basically? That's as I thought too.

Presumably on that rationale you'd also think it justifiable if they released an upgrade because the Wii can't throw a decent level of graphics up on the screen by today's standards.

As to why they didn't include such hardware in the first place, presumably it's because the price of decent components made them difficult to include and still sell the console to families.

As to why they'd be including it now, evidently some kinds of games would play better if they could be more immersive, and it would also help if traditional gamers didn't rip the piss out of Nintendo these days prompting the games media to write articles on why Nintendo's abandoned it's previous fanbase.

Would that be okay with you if they did that too?

I love this....

"traditional gamers" Define please?

Mmmmmm......... was interested in getting this after seeing some game vids, but after some of the lackluste reviews I am not too sure now. Think the EG review is pretty harsh really though. Look at the review for TR:underworld - scored pretty well on EG even though the game is short and the camera is even worse than this game. Yet this game gets a 4 when it is at least trying something different. Reviews on this site really are all over the shop, with little consistancy shown (as the fear2/killzone2 review debacle also demonstrated last week).

What is all the fuss about madworld ? I have read some previews and seen some gameplay footage and think it is a bit meh to me - horses for courses I suppose.....

How much was it in asda by the way ??

>"traditional gamers" Define please?

I'm 34. I've been playing games since i was 8 years old. So that's 26 years i've wasted playing games. And I had 10 year stint making games too as a programmer.

So I guess you could define "traditional gamer" as me. And I love nintendo games, and find fps games boring and mainstream.

Aha, seems like this game isn't a lost cause after all, after reading the comments. I shall pick this up forthwith.

@Svecke: I just read a 9/10 review on another site.. So it seems to be a "marmite" game - or maybe not the type of game the reviewer himself enjoys (he does seem to review a lot of wii games lowly).

That's not to say his opinion is "wrong" - everyone has different opinions and that's why a review is never really gospel.

A bad review of a game i end up liking doesnt piss me off .. a good review of a game i end up hating does piss me off!

Case in point:

Gamespy : 9/10
ign : 8/10
Gamesradar : 8/10
Gamespot: 7/10
EG: 4/10

So there you go.. Go read the other reviews and make your decision ...

That still doesn't mean that this review is 'wrong'. It is a person's opinion after all. Reviews don't necessarily have to be more 'right' than someone just playing the game. Saying that EG's score of 4 has to be bogus just because a lot of other reviewers think it's a better game is like trying to tell someone on the forums he has to like Halo3/Killzone2/ just because so many other people think it's good.

I've read the same complaints about this game in other reviews which means that he isn't making stuff up. Judging wether those problems are game breaking or not is up to the reviewer and since I doubt nobody here actually knows the guy I don't have the slightest clue why so many people here think they know better what Dan likes and what he doesn't like. Just again, it's like arguing on the forums wether tearing is bad or not - we all agree that it is yet some people aren't bothered by it at all when others actually refuse to buy a game because of it.

@Der_tolle_Emil:
>That still doesn't mean that this review is 'wrong'.

Did you EVEN read my post where i said (and I quote)


"That's not to say his opinion is "wrong" - everyone has different opinions and that's why a review is never really gospel. "

Of course I read your post. I wasn't necessarily replying to you actually; I admit it does sound like this though - poorly written post by me there. Actually I meant all those guys who crawl back to Metacritic and try to prove their point :)

"So it wasn't good enough the first time around, basically? That's as I thought too."

"Mommy, why is my dingle bigger than it used to be?"
"It wasn't long enough the first time round, son."

I just wondered how Schnide would define it. I'm very curious....

I've just read loads of different reviews.. watched a few vids.. and still cant decide whether or not to buy it.

The fact it's cheap (25 quid) is stearing me towards a "try it out and see for myself" decision

@schnide

So it wasn't good enough the first time around, basically? That's as I thought too.

I could have responded with anything and your reply wouldn't have changed, would it?

Presumably on that rationale you'd also think it justifiable if they released an upgrade because the Wii can't throw a decent level of graphics up on the screen by today's standards.

If people would buy it and developers would support it. But as my other reply above hinted at, would Mario Galaxy be any better with double the vertical resolution? It seems when I ask this question it never gets answered.

As to why they didn't include such hardware in the first place, presumably it's because the price of decent components made them difficult to include and still sell the console to families.

That's right, because the objective was to expand the market and sell the hardware at a profit as it was the only realistic way the company could survive. As with the DS Lite.

As to why they'd be including it now, evidently some kinds of games would play better if they could be more immersive, and it would also help if traditional gamers didn't rip the piss out of Nintendo these days prompting the games media to write articles on why Nintendo's abandoned it's previous fanbase.

Would that be okay with you if they did that too?

Not quite sure that I understand your question...

>So it wasn't good enough the first time around, basically? That's as I thought too.

So when the next xbox or next playstation comes out - you'll use the same argument "they had to make a new version because the last version wasnt good enough first time around"?

looks interesting, but I will wait for it to hit £15 or so before I buy I think.

@UncleLous
"it is a problem for owners of the other 2 consoles, because it drastically reduces the number of potentioally good games released. the development of a wii game (even though dev cycles are short) wastes the time of people that could actually be out there, making good games.

This sounds pretty much like what PC gamers say about the 360 and co., followed by abuse and cries of elitism.

It's amusing how it's suddenly become an accepted argument for some now that "next gen" console gamers seem to find themselves in a similar situation."

So so true. One rule for one argument, another set of rules for another argument. It's actually quite sad.

JahB & schnide - what a great commedy duo.

Talking of graphics schnide, which are clearly of very high importance to you, I assume you have a cutting edge PC? In comparisson the PC makes the 360/ps3 look a little dated, like you claim Wii games look compared to the PS3/360

Having re-read the review I have to say the writing is better than I thought on first pass, but the conclusions about the combat I cannot agree with; nor the description of the game as "clunky." The combat is not that difficult to get to grips with; the enemies like rats and lizards aren't cheap any more than any other enemy in any arcade or console game since time began is: it's down to pattern recognition and developing a strategy to tackle them using the attacks at your command. For some enemies the longer envenoming attack is effective; not so for others. I cannot understand why this was apparently a difficult lesson to learn. I might well slate Megaman 9 for the same reason and that would be equally missing the point.

Bottom line, the scoring is poor and the conclusion undeserved.

I've written my own review for my blog, so do check it out.

My wife caught me red handed masturbating over a scene in a porno movie featuring lesbian cheerleaders; it took me a few days before I actually had the courage to look her in the eye. On New years Day my neighbour spotted me playing on the Wii; I didn’t realise the blinds were open; still I’ve managed to avoid contact with up till now. The embarrassment is killing me.

Sid Nice - Remove the controller from your arse and point it at the screen instead - No embarrassment shall ensue

@Dan234

You're right, I concede that much - whatever your reply, it was very unlikely to change my mind. Wii Motion Plus to me is a concession that it isn't good enough and there's a history of this kind of thing in the industry. The N64 memory expansion pack, Sega CD, GBA SP.. it's worrying Nintendo didn't think to include these functions. As a gamer, I'd expect them. But Nintendo wasn't looking at people like me who'd like these things, which is why they've alienated me and thousands like me and instead have 6 year olds and fat housewives playing on their latest console.

Before anyone thinks I'm losing sleep over this, I'm fine, but it means I'm instead playing on a Microsoft console each night because Nintendo gave up the fight (and Sony screwed up too of course, it's just not wholly relevant to this discussion).

Super Mario Galaxy would probably be exactly the same game with double the vertical resolution. That a console can run a game which doesn't need the latest standard of graphics doesn't excuse the fact it can't run the games that do.

@FooAtari

Graphics are not clearly of importance to me. Graphics are at a certain standard each generation and the Wii falls far behind. The PC will always be able to look the best because their is no standard hardware limit - if you have the cash, you have the best graphics. Paying less for a console guarantees I can run whatever's released for my platform. Do you want to play out the console vs PC debate here or do you want to stay on topic?

@electrolite

In this context, traditional gamers would be anyone who was interested in gaming before they picked up a Wii and for those who weren't, didn't only do so because of the control system. If you want to call this snobbery, then call it snobbery. To me, not being interested in immersing yourself in alternate worlds because you can't get your head around how a joypad works means you're probably never going to get the most out of gaming anyway. It's the same issue that means ITV are flooding the channel with celebrity-endorsed shit, the same reason that London theatre is dominated by musical adaptions of Hollywood movies which never needed to be retold, the same reason that Adele and Duffy were invested in because they sound like Amy Winehouse. When commerce chases the easy buck, standards get lowered and quality gets diluted.

I love gaming, it's my passion, and when I see stories about how Miyamoto's patented a system that will play the game for you, I despair about what might happen to gaming bastions like Zelda. That's a franchise which deserves better than a gimmicky control system and a graphics engine which can't do it justice.

Any moron calling themselves a "traditional gamer" or "core gamer" can safely be ignored, guys. Surely you should've learned this by now.
Let them go back to their identical brown FPSs.

It's not snobbery, necessarily, it's just as unwieldy a definition of 'traditional', 'core', or 'proper' gamers as all the other attempts. I'm 32, I have a girlfriend, I work shifts as an ATCO, I've been playing games for over 20 years and have found plenty to amuse me on the Wii, whether single-player stuff when I have a few hours, or puzzle games when I'm pushed for time, or party games/Mario Kart online for multiplayer fun.

You've done better skirting around it than most people but usually when that kind of label is attached it means '360 owner', and usually offers no acknowledgement that anyone with any interest in games has and plays on the Wii (which I think you have fallen into), which maybe being slightly older, goes entirely against my experience. I was getting bored of FPS's at the end of the last-gen and this one has only made it worse, especially as now companies only involved in gaming for a few years are telling me I need a new TV as well as their console to get the best out of it. And there are more like me out there, to assume all Wii owners are wannabee-Harry Redknapp's is very unwise.

As for the 'immersion in virtual worlds' bit, I'm not interested in that because for a lot of games that means a gaming-standard storyline and script, which are frankly sub-The Fast and The Furious shit. For all gamings pretensions to Hollywood, this remains the case.

The last point is-compare Nintendo's output at this stage of the Wii's life (27 months), to that of the N64 or 'Cube. It ain't much different. It's drowning under a sea of third-party crap that even the PS1/PS2/Spectrum would be embarrassed about, but actual first/second-party games haven't dipped much.

And lastly, re. the 'system that will play the game for you', none of us have any idea what that means yet, so to be complaining about something that in real terms doesn't exist is pointless