Criterion talks Burnout HDD issue
It's all in "best interests" of community.
Criterion and Microsoft decided it was in your best interests to make a hard drive an essential requirement for full Burnout Paradise online play.
The developer attempted to explain its decision in an open letter on its website, saying the dream of an expandable world through regular downloadable content was not possible if it supported "the lowest common storage denominator", or 64mb unit.
"We opened a dialogue with Microsoft to attempt to discover a possible solution and all possible technical options were investigated to retain the seamless freedom of Burnout without requiring the HDD," said "The Burnout Team".
"Unfortunately a solution was not available and we decided together that it would be in the best interests of the Burnout community if we require the HDD for full online play."
Luckily Xbox 360 Core users still get to use the Road Rule mode online, where you can see who has the best showtime score as well as scroll through leaderboards.
Burnout Paradise sits atop the UK All Formats chart for the second week running today, with PS3 sales improving on last week to take 49 per cent of the pie.
Every PS3 comes with a hard drive as standard.
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Comments (54) Latest comment 4 years ago
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Whistle. I had to do it. Sorry for stating facts. Will put self in stocks.
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Best. Line. Ever (not written by Ellie).
Watching stupid format discussions really helps the day fly by.
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"Watching stupid format discussions really helps the day fly by. "
haha, yeah - i've been lurking on this site for ages, always provides a laugh or two in the more inflammatory comments threads... anyway, is there anyone in the world who would want to take burnout online that doesn't have a hard drive in their 360?
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Fixed.
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and if you are lucky enough to live in Europe you can download everything later than the RoW.
Just my personal gripe with Sony there.
I do feel for the core owners though, the HDD add on looks so expensive. Haven't had a 360 for a while now so I'm out of touch with the packs, core aside is there a pack available without the HDD now or are Microsoft trying to rectify this by ensuring any pack now includes a hard drive. If not they are still guilty of a serious lack of foresight there.
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Yeah I know there is a bigger MU now but I figured I would try and get a cheep HDD from somewhere. Ebay or other such evil.
The £££ MS want for the HDD is crazy it wouldnt matter so much if you could use exturnal HDDs via the USB for Saves etc...
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Football Manager needed one too, IIRC. And Final Fantasy.
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360 is fine as it is, has the best games this gen, so shut the fuck up.
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I'm really a nice person.
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The rabid arseholes around here don't need your help to start format wars, Rob.
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Perfectly timed and written to be as flameworthy as possible. I don't know whether it should be criticized or admired.
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Holding it back? Not at all. As Darren correctly states, almost anyone online with the 360 would have a HDD anyway.
Yes the HDD can be used to speed up load times, but that's usually at the expense of HDD space (typically 5GB per game as seen on the PS3), which is why MS took the choice of putting the fastest DVD drives available into the 360 instead. It's more of an issue on the PS3 because the Blu-ray drives are slower than the 360's DVD drives, meaning the HDD is more important on the PS3 for improving load times.
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Ive got an unused 360 HDD you can have for 40 pounds!
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*Double fixed*
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I can't imagine that anyone with a core system would be up in arms about this. Most who are interested in this facet of the game would be the kind of people who would have a hard drive anyway.
I must admit that the PS3 comment does seem a bit misplaced in an article involving the 360 and Criterion.
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Faster only on the outside edge? That's completely wrong Headbog!
The 360's drive is faster after the first 1 GB or so from the inner tracks. This is because BR on the PS3 is a constant 9MB/s, whereas on the inner most track of 12x DVD, it's around 8 MB/s, moving up to 16.62 MB/s on the outermost track!!! Which is why since DVDs were first used last gen for games, devs place the data they want to be read fastest on the outermost part of the disk. The innermost part of the disk can be (and often is) used for data where speed is not critical, such as audio/video for cinematic cutscenes.
Hence numerous devs have mentioned the fact that Blu-ray is slower for games than the 360's DVD drive, and hence some use the HDD as a means to improve the situation.
And yes, the PS3 will have the loading edge for games where 5GB or so is installed onto the HDD, no-one has disputed that.
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That's complete nonsense headbog (and I think you know it, if you're being honest
Between the PS3 and 360, there are numerous 'lowest common denominators' spread between them. Some of these *may* hold the other console back, but many will not and can be utilised within the game for that particular console.
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And it uses 5 gig of the PS3,s HDD!
how long is the PS3 40 gig HDD going to last?
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Personally, I'm waiting for confirmation of this (only got the info from CVG so far). Hopefully, a site like GameTrailers will have a video comparing the load times of the PS3 and 360 versions side-by-side for various points in the game.
"And it uses 5 gig of the PS3,s HDD!
how long is the PS3 40 gig HDD going to last?"
Pros and cons. 5GB for faster loading is worth it for many gamers, even though it takes time to install (once) and uses up space on the HDD.
I think overall, very few PS3 gamers would complain about it, but many would complain about load times being much longer than the 360 version if the HDD wasn't being used in this way.
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It would surely be in their interests to slash the price tag in exchange for volume, and try to push everyone onto HDD. Even bundle one with a game, like the N64 expansion pack.
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It'd be a nice option for the jet-engine version owners though. Mine's fine.
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Yep.
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Fixed.
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unlike the suckers that bought a hugely over priced PS3 with no decent games?
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They sure are lucky.
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There are pros and cons to both, you don't have to insult the console and it's owners to make your point.
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The sorry assed x360 is soon ready for the trash bin.
It's not just the Core that's crippled, all XB360s are crippled.
P L A Y B 3 Y O N D
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You had no help from anyone?
Oh well done.
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