Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath Comments by Rob Fahey

i think you'll find you're wrong.

the original version was useless, now for lan gaming kanes wrath has made it a decent RTS, worthy of playing atleast once a week with 8 people crammed in one room.

5/10 is a shocking score.

anyone who plays PC games will still pine for a mouse and keyboard when playing this, in a way that an FPS gamer, for example, probably wouldn't

Um... what? I still can't play FPSes without a mouse...

not better than metal gear then?

I agree with urban.

I played over 2000 online games of C&C 3 on 360, achieving 89th in the world, and am enjoying this new one because of how different it is. The control scheme is difficult to get the hang of but I suspect will be better in the long run. You can no longer "power-plant" to extend your base, Nod units such as surveyors are slower, only one support structure can be built at a time, existing maps have been modified, and new maps added, before even considering the new factions and units.

I doubt I'll play the single player campaign much if at all, and on this score Eurogamer may be right. But for online... at least 8 out of 10, and if it delivers over 300 hours online play like the last one, then surely that's 10 out of 10!

too me unless they have a wii type or preferably a mouse type setup. Console RTS willnever be as good.

5/10. Not bad. I might have to pick it up!

Cheers Rob! ^_^

Remember when C&C was made by westwood and actually was a shining beacon of quality & fun? Ahhh, those where the days.

Why you compare a full Xbox 360 game to an expansion on the PC is beyond me. You can't even play KW on the PC without having C&C3 installed, so where's the monetary benefit?

I think that it's actually a great thing to have this as a seperate disc instead of on HD as DLC or whatever. Apart from simplicity (and the option of selling the green one), it would've been impossible to build in new controls.

If you're a PC-gamer, you wouldn't play KW on the 360 anyway, but I don't play on the PC, the 360 is all I got, and this review is virtually useless to me...

Why you compare a full Xbox 360 game to an expansion on the PC is beyond me.

Because they've got the same name, and contain mostly the same content? Seems like a reasonable basis for comparison to me.

I did point out that if you're a huge C&C 360 fan, the game would probably be worthwhile to you - but for the purposes of scoring, it's pretty damn hard to ignore the fact that they've stripped out by far the most interesting feature from the PC version of this expansion. Also, despite being a standalone game, it still has the feel of an expansion pack - truncated campaign, story that makes no sense without the original game, and only a handful of new units.

When Kieron reviewed the PC expansion pack a few months ago, almost half of his review was given over to the Global Conquest mode, a Risk-style strategy game with surprising depth which served as a non-linear supplement to the campaign mode. It was, arguably, one of the biggest innovations that EA has made to C&C in many years.

It's also been completely removed from the console version of the game. In its place, we've got something called Kane's Challenge, which is a pretty competently put-together set of pre-rolled challenges that can be played through as any one of the nine sub-factions. To call this a weak substitute would be overstating its value somewhat. A major, innovative and entertaining game mode has been removed, and what we've got instead is a small collection of skirmish games to play through.


This.

I honestly, honestly have got no IDEA how they can justify this. In the interview that EG did with Jim Vessella a couple of weeks ago he stated that it had dropped because it had not "gelled" with the 360 fan base as well has was hoped.

W.T.F?

Who the HELL did they ask? A load of Need for Speed fanbois?

It's a STRATEGY GAME! And you take out the best strategy feature? UTTER muppets. That has got the be the worst decision I've seen since the SIXAXIS. I'd honestly love to see the data that they have to justify that response.

The other thought is that they're holding it back for DLC, which wouldn't surprise me as it's EA, but doing that when expecting to pay £10 more several months later than PC owners is a joke. It's not as if the game was expensive to make, the engine and 90% of the graphics had already been done in for C&C3:TW.

So either EA are incompotent, or getting ready to rip us off more. Which is it I wonder?

Seriously; Shinji, rauper, danbojones, mugwum, anyone!... please ask for a justification for that. I even emailed craigy for an email address for Jim to do it myself, but you guys are better at that than me and 99.999% more likely to get a response. :)

Oh! And don't give me any bullshit about the controls for Global Domination being too difficult to do!
1. You did radial, finally, so someone there has a brain.
2. It's TURN BASED.
3. I'll do it for you, not hard.

Taking this mode out is like taking a gun out of an FPS cos it's too "gun-ny", or like taking the tournaments out of football games.

Another franchise raped by EA. Again I might add. Let's watch them do it yet again with Red Alert 3 too.

/not bitter, no not at all.


Aside: That said, the main game is quite good for C&C fans, and the control system is great.

Taking into account that this is the console version, should you really rant about this expansion being stand-alone?
It's not exactly easy to have the expansion depend on the previous game on a console. I understand that the problem lies in its "expansion-ness", but there isn't much else to be done in this case. Maybe only lowering the price a bit...

Meh!

I want to know your opinions on UT3.

I guess it will be up to WiC or maybe EndWar to provide the first solid console RTS.

"I guess it will be up to WiC or maybe EndWar to provide the first solid console RTS."

What about Pikmin? Would anyone, please, think about the pikmins?!

Pikmin hasn't got nukes, and I have a sneaky suspicion that I will have to wait until hell freeze over for a 360 version.

@Shini: they've got the same name, and contain mostly the same content? Seems like a reasonable basis for comparison to me. [...] for the purposes of scoring, it's pretty damn hard to ignore the fact that they've stripped out by far the most interesting feature from the PC version of this expansion.

Still makes no sense to me, as I'll never be able to play the PC version anyway. It's like you're judging a final product against a pre-release version which contained some features that were removed before street date.

"In the demo we saw, Nico Bellic could fly. That's gone in the retail version. 4/10."

I own the Pc version and love it, due to the imbalance issues and potential desync issues (someone who has the 360 version will have to tell me if it still exists) it makes the game very annoying and unplayable at times
HINT: spam mechapedes
a severe imbalance in the game not sure if they released the 360 version with the new patch that is supposedly out on PC this week (its thursday now....) anyway another cock up by EA next up- Red Alert 3

I thought C&C3 on the 360 was shite!

edit: Actually, I can't be bothered. I'll let internet stupidity win tonight.

5/10 seems very harsh.

Comparing it to C&C 3 Tiberium wars (360 version), it's got a new single player campaign( Kanes challenge), more factions, more multiplayer maps and new a control system which is easily the best control system on a console RTS.

For £20 it's a bargin IMO.

Edit: fixed an error.

I love C+C (not C+C music factory though, they were shit).

will be buying this for sure, maybe the score is a little harsh...I guess we'll see how supreme commander does with its reported super frame rate....

"The control scheme is difficult to get the hang of but I suspect will be better in the long run. You can no longer "power-plant" to extend your base, Nod units such as surveyors are slower, only one support structure can be built at a time"

I wont be buying it then. I played countlessgames of Risk on the PS2 andloved it. Would have liked to see this mode included for online.

I fail to understand how game companies can miss the point so much

Bigger single player campaign? Are you off your rocker? 13 missions plus 9 in "kanes challenge"?

The chief innovation is a radial menu
Didn't the LoTR RTS use radial menus? Aren't they standard or is it just the console strategy games I've looked at?

Dunno, but the last C&C on the 360 didn't.

Here's another guide...

http://www.egcgames.com/content.php?id=939