COD5 is "different game" to COD4

By Johnny Minkley Published 10 November, 2008

Comparison unfair, says under-fire producer.

Call of Duty 4 community manager Robert Bowling won't like it, but COD: World at War producer Noah Heller has been sounding off to Eurogamer about comparisons between the Treyarch and Infinity Ward shooters.

"It's a different game to Call of Duty 4," Heller insisted, when we asked him if he thought World at War was a better game. "I'll say this - if you're interested in picking up an M16 or blowing six people away with the red dot sight, you're still going to love Call of Duty 4.

"We're offering a flamethrower, a .30 cal, a vicious, brutal enemy and co-op - there's a lot to love here and I'm very satisfied to say that between this game and Call of Duty 4 you've definitely got the best two shooters on the market."

When pressed on whether World at War is a better first-person shooter than Infinity Ward's acclaimed effort, Heller refused to be drawn, claiming: "I would be killed if I answered that question." And Bowling would be prime suspect.

The COD4 community manager issued a ferocious broadside against Heller last Friday on his blog, accusing the "senior super douche" of "pulling s*** out of his ass" about the series in interviews.

He added: "Can you guys please stop interviewing this guy... I can't take another Google alert of garbage coming through my inbox with bulls*** quotes from this guy". Sorry, Rob.

Heller, speaking to Eurogamer at a recent press event in London, revealed that while there had been technical discussion between Treyarch and Infinity Ward (since World at War uses the COD4 engine), the game was very much Treyarch's own.

"The engineers have a chance to talk to each other, but the design teams are very separate," he explained. "It's really important for healthy game development that the teams have their own voice and their own time to do design.

Heller further suggested that Infinity Ward would actually benefit from the work Treyarch had put in with the engine, particularly with co-op.

"If something makes the code run better, it only helps everyone to share that kind of knowledge," he noted. "But getting into the details of what we share, it's way too technical.

"I'm sure Infinity Ward is proud of the fact they had nothing to do with World at War, just as much as Treyarch is proud of the fact that it's their own game and their own chance to shine. It's a different shooter than Call of Duty 4, and if you're a gamer it belongs in your library."

Call of Duty: World at War releases on home consoles, PC and DS this Friday.

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  • dsmx #1 3 years ago

    If it's different why have they made the multiplayer a carbon copy of COD4's?

    But further to this some insane design decisons make no sense to me why make bolt action rifles not a 1 hit kill, why make all the rifles piss weak, why make the mp40 more powerful than the thompson, etc.

  • Pirotic #2 3 years ago

    and what's with the bloody dogs? seriously.

    Just let Infinity Ward make the entire series, I'd rather wait 2 years between games than have to invite it's ugly brother around every other.

  • DFawkes #3 3 years ago

    Please stop calling it CoD5. It isn't, it's CoD: World at War. Until they acknowledge it as CoD5, it's not. It's more like Vice City and San Andreas. It is not. CoD. Five.

    If it really is a different game, colour me disinterested entirely. I was actually looking for more of the same.
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 14:40

  • Fab4 #4 3 years ago

    Pirotic, then dont fucking buy it...just wait the 2 years. Is it such a fucking difficult concept to grasp?

  • mainaman #5 3 years ago

    The WW2 shitty weaponry,the tanks and the ''dogs of war'' crap killed this one for me.

    It's good to have the option to take auto-aim off,but why hardcore mode still uses the perks?

    Better to release COD4 expansion or give time to Infinity Ward to make another contemporary shooter with some new features than churning out this travesty.

  • mattigan #6 3 years ago

    But it kind of is COD5 isn't it, and no ammount of internet pricks begging the rest of the world to "please refer to it by its proper name" are going to change the fact that this will be DIRECTLY compared to COD4, and found wanting, irrespecting of 'cool new' zombie modes.

    You are right, it not a difficult concept Fab4, I wouldn't touch this stinking pile of shit with yours. Roll on COD6!

  • jaangus #7 3 years ago

    im glad cod5 is different to Cod4 as if Cod4 was like it then that would be rubbish too

  • DFawkes #8 3 years ago

    It is not CoD5.

  • Lebowski #9 3 years ago

    CoD War.

  • christourlord #10 3 years ago

    The main difference being that CoD4 was a good game.

  • Inspirius #11 3 years ago

    The only reason it isn't called CoD5 is because Treyarch cocked up their first chance at a proper numbered iteration with CoD3.

  • stevetuck #12 3 years ago

    im thinking 10/10 from Eurogamer even tho its just CoD:4 with a different skin going by the beta atleast
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 15:00

  • cyacomini #13 3 years ago

    I'm still to be convinced on this one.

    I loved CoD2 to bits, thought it was fantastic - then along came CoD3 (yes 3!) which turned out to be a load of old tosh.

    One of the few alleged top titles I haven't even bothered to pre-order this year.

  • Fab4 #14 3 years ago

    Treyarch had 10 months to develop CoD3 for virtually all platforms imaginable...most of you couldnt even decide to blow your nose in that amount of time. And there are still many people playing CoD3 today (last night even). 24 player matches, 1hr in length, on maps that piss all over CoD4's postage stamps. Vehicles...classes...CTF...WAR.

    If Treyarch had kept on with that approach rather than bowing down to Activision's demands for a CoD4: Not So Modern Warfare, then the game could have been great. As it is, its just a reskinned version of the PoS that CoD4 is...all perked up for the dumbed down generation.

  • bdaggers #15 3 years ago

    Even good. (ie COD 2, 4)
    Odd bad. (ie COD 3, 5)

    This rule is the truth.

    Move on.

  • ronuds #16 3 years ago

    COD5 is it's own game, dammit! They only share: engines, perks, concepts, MP layout, animations, etc., etc., etc.

    How dare you compare the two!

  • Rirekon #17 3 years ago

    Am I the only person who's actually enjoyed the CoD5/WAR Beta? I will gladly take back my comments about Treyarch as I think they've done a really good job on this one.
    It's on my pre-order list at least :)

  • rhinoxious #18 3 years ago

    I quite enjoyed the Beta, but they've certainly missed an opportunity to do something different, a little slower and a little longer ranged. I think the inclusion of the spotter plane is a mistake as well - it just doesn't fit, how would your average grunt know what they could see, it's not like they all have voice comms and HUDs!

  • Bealsy #19 3 years ago

    I'm awaiting an EG 7/10 "must try harder"

  • TurboBailey #20 3 years ago

    The BETA was crap on PC

    Buggy as hell

  • Evolution #21 3 years ago

    "under-fire producer"

    How appropriate!

  • Apologie #22 3 years ago

    COD5 will be better then COD4... the nazi zombies depreciative quote is stupid given the fact that COD 4 had mindless arabes and russians too...

  • ronuds #23 3 years ago

    I was looking forward to COD4 with COD3's maps, but instead I got COD5 with COD4's maps. The beta was decent, though...I'll probably buy it. I'm just not thrilled with the layouts of the maps.

  • rhinoxious #24 3 years ago

    I'm just hoping that some of the maps look more like battlefields!

    It is War game after all, not a special forces insurgency anti-terrorist etc etc

  • Avaloner #25 3 years ago

    Honestly I enjoyed COD 3. Not the best game in the world but far from being a bad game.

  • slayaz #26 3 years ago

    MEH!

    WWII, no thanks.

    Roll on CoD 6.

    Game of the year it aint. Formulaic boring shooter it is.

    Let Treyarch have an original IP and lets see what they produce, because it must suck living in IW's shadow.

  • butler` #27 3 years ago

    It's a mess - which is an astonishing feat given its source material.

  • HolyJebus #28 3 years ago

    I too think the multplayer is a bit of a missed opportunity, being too similar to COD4.

    Don't right off the game just yet though, the single player and co-op could still make it a good purchase.

    And COD5 is easier to type then COD:WAW. Get over it.

  • DFawkes #29 3 years ago

    It is not CoD5. I'll repost this every time someone refers to it as such, and I can still be bothered. It is not CoD5. It is not Call of Duty 5. The developers don't refer to it as Call of Duty 5. It isn't CoD5. I know it's easier to type, but accompanying CoD5 with other words suggests you have enough of an attention span to type the extra 2 characters. Or, since it's in this thread, WaW would not only suffice but it'd even be shorter than CoD5.

  • HolyJebus #30 3 years ago

    COD5

  • Kingofnothin #31 3 years ago

    COD5 Beta was pretty good, theres no longer a M16A4 type weapon which was a Shotgun, Semi Auto, Sniper all rolled into one( when used with Stopping Power). The weapons in 5 seem to be a lot more balanced compared to to COD4, and each have pros and cons unlike some of the weapons in COD4 some of which were too good imo. I think COD5 is definitely worthy of passing the time until IW create there next game, who knows next time they will raise the bar too high for Treyarch to follow suit!

  • RedSparrows #32 3 years ago

    The whole hype train of CoD is distinctly boring now. choo choo.


    I don't get it though: IT'S THE SAME AS COD4!!!! BUT IT'S CRAP! BUT COD 4 WAS THE BEST GAME EVER! (ahaha, LIES). BUT IT'S THE SAME, JUST LIKE AN EXPANSION PACK!

    But then I don't get why they can't fix the atrocious spawn system in CoD4, so who knows.

    (/troll. Sorry, bad day)
    Edited by 2 at 10/11/08 @ 16:55

  • mainaman #33 3 years ago

    COD3 MP was shit.It's a widely acknowledged fact that can't be easily denied just because you can lose yourself in the maps and there are 23 other mofos roaming around on foot or in vehicles.


    Sometimes less is more and fortunately COD5 is reskinned COD4,but botched job all the same.
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 16:58

  • RedSparrows #34 3 years ago

    @ Fab4, man I didn't know people were still playing it. I might buy it again, I enjoyed it far more than CoD4 online. AHEM.

    'COD3 MP was shit.It's a widely acknowledged fact that can't be easily denied just because you can lose yourself in the maps and there are 23 other mofos roaming around on foot or in vehicles. '

    Lies. You can't 'lose yourself', the maps were large but well designed. Try War on Poisson with 24 players. Absolute bliss of a war game. It was not shit, it was excellent fun.
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 16:59

  • migasUK #35 3 years ago

    I will wait for CoD5 cuz this one is rubbish and I am glad most of the people agree with me, and the beta version is so crap, unbelievable...

  • mainaman #36 3 years ago

    COD4 MP is great,but RS:V2 MP with High Stakes is even better.Very few servers in V2 these days and almost all without High Stakes!Travesty!


  • ronuds #37 3 years ago

    "Lies. You can't 'lose yourself', the maps were large but well designed. Try War on Poisson with 24 players. Absolute bliss of a war game. It was not shit, it was excellent fun."

    I concur! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

    I do like COD5's weapons better. I don't think you'll be able to get away with the things you could in COD4, and you definitely will have to have more skill to succeed. COD4 was a newb-fest.

  • Slipstream #38 3 years ago

    The whole hype train of CoD is distinctly boring now. choo choo.


    I don't get it though: IT'S THE SAME AS COD4!!!! BUT IT'S CRAP! BUT COD 4 WAS THE BEST GAME EVER! (ahaha, LIES). BUT IT'S THE SAME, JUST LIKE AN EXPANSION PACK!

    But then I don't get why they can't fix the atrocious spawn system in CoD4, so who knows.

    (/troll. Sorry, bad day)

    Hahaha! One of the funniest posts I've read in a while, one that that is circled by the ring of TRUTH!

  • Skurmedel #39 3 years ago

    I didn't care much for CoD 4 either with it's fucking helicopters that just ruined it in the end for me. Multiplayer was fun for a while, but you can only take so much guys sniping from should-be unreachable spots on the maps and 4 helis in a row.

    I also agree on the spawning system being totally crap in CoD 4 and it has been ever since the first Call of Duty.
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 17:15

  • mainaman #40 3 years ago

    Red Sparrows,as i said,sometimes less is more,and if we talk about strictly ''war'' games Battlefield would easily wipe the floor with COD3 MP.Why do you think most people dismiss the Treyarch CODs?

    And COD4 MP Ground War also supports more than 16 players,on vertically expanded maps!

  • mainaman #41 3 years ago

    If people want to play relatively realistic contemporary shooter without ''hellicopter'' crap and snipefests,RS:V2 High Stakes still offers more on consoles,be it graphics,gameplay or customisation.



  • sneetch #42 3 years ago

    @dsmx
    But further to this some insane design decisons make no sense to me why make bolt action rifles not a 1 hit kill, why make all the rifles piss weak, why make the mp40 more powerful than the thompson

    To all of that: you gotta be shitting me?

    I guess when they renamed the weapon definition files they got from Infinity Ward they got them a bit mixed up. ;)

    @Bealsy
    I'm awaiting an EG 7/10 "must try harder"

    I'm expecting about the same, also anyone know if the "brutal enemy" still just runs in a line straight towards you shouting?

    There was a bit in an E3 (maybe Leipzig) movie where the marines were investigating a crashed plane in the swamp and the Japanese attacked and because of some peculiarity in the map they all streamed around a "corner" or tree trunk or something so that they ended up following each other in a perfectly straight line running straight into the player's thompson/bar fire. I remember thinking that if that was their "brutal enemy" in effect then it was pretty pathetic.

  • Harmonica #43 3 years ago

    Cod developer.

  • sfernley@msn.com #44 3 years ago

    Wow, a lot of people are dissing this game.

    I wonder how many of these people have played the full game through. It seems a bit unfair to judge this game from a small beta/demo. Dont forget there is a full single player campaign, co-op and many more levels for the multiplayer. Why not wait for the full game release before slating it. If you dont like it from the demo then dont buy it but don't slate it before you have even played the full game.

  • Fab4 #45 3 years ago

    "Red Sparrows,as i said,sometimes less is more,and if we talk about strictly ''war'' games Battlefield would easily wipe the floor with COD3 MP.Why do you think most people dismiss the Treyarch CODs?

    And COD4 MP Ground War also supports more than 16 players,on vertically expanded maps! "

    Most people dismiss CoD3 because it wasnt as easy to be good at it as CoD2 was, or CoD4. Simple as. There were no 'toys r us' sniper rifles in it and the maps were larger so you couldnt camp and be successful.

    As for this 'vertically expanded maps' nonsense...you mean you could go upstairs in some buildings? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. Obviously never played the Marseilles map, or even Ironclad. Or even Rouen, Fuel Plant, Merville or Eder from the original maps...they all had 'vertical expansion'.

  • DaDon123456 #46 3 years ago

    If you dont like it, dont buy it.

  • Gormless #47 3 years ago

    How is it not COD 5 you silly bollocks? it is the next one in the series after COD 4. Rocky Balboa must not have been Rocky 6 then just because the name was different going on your stunning logic.

  • Burton2000 #48 3 years ago

    "Simple as. There were no 'toys r us' sniper rifles in it and the maps were larger so you couldnt camp and be successful."

    But that is one of the reasons why the CoD4 multiplayer was so good, because you didn't have to be amazing on fps' to get a good score and enjoy the game in pub matches. While at the same time you can disable all the bullshit stuff for clan matches etc.

  • DFawkes #49 3 years ago

    Indeed it wasn't. It was just another Rocky film. It may have been the 6th, but it wasn't called Rocky 6. And Rambo wasn't Rambo 4. And Alien Ressurection wasn't Alien 4 (that goes for Aliens too of course).

    Seriously, this is different because it's games. You don't call your next game a sequel - that way if it tanks you can just say "No! It wasn't CoD5!" and make a better game. Just because it's the 5th doesn't make it 5.

    GTA Vice City wasn't GTA4, Onimusha Dawn of Dreams wasn't Onimusha 4, Guitar Hero Aerosmith isn't Guitar Hero 4, Dynasty Warriors Gundam wasn't Dyasnty Warriors 6 (a bit of stretch with that one, but hey), Tnechu Z wasn't whatever it was chronilogically in the series, Golden Axe: Beast Rider isn't Golden Axe 4, Resident Evil Code Veronica wasn't Resi 4, Sonic the HEdgehog (360, PS3) isn't Sonic Adventure 3 or Sonic 4, the latest Prince of Persia isn't PoP 4 (or 6, or any other number depending on how you count it), Phastasy Star Universe isn't PSO 2, Far Cry Vengence isn't Far Cry 2 (thank goodness).

    I could continue with that list of mostly questionable examples, but bottom line is this isn't CoD5 until they say so by releasing CoD6. Until that day, I have not been proven right or wrong. Good day.

    I also like cake.

  • beastmaster #50 3 years ago

    I like COD 4. I liked COD -WOW. I would like to buy COD -WOW. I also like cake.

    Apparently it's got a 10 in a PS3 mag. I wouldn't so much as take that with a pinch of salt, so much as entire quarry. But I'm looking forward to this.

  • ronuds #51 3 years ago

    I also enjoy cake.

  • Slipstream #52 3 years ago

    Bacon>>>>>Cake

  • Starbow #53 3 years ago

    "I'm sure Infinity Ward is proud of the fact they had nothing to do with World at War"
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 19:16

  • mattigan #54 3 years ago

    You don't call your next game a sequel - that way if it tanks you can just say "No! It wasn't CoD5!"

    And there my friend is the rub, the entire Internet knows that the ONLY reason this game has been given the WAW tag line is a desperate attempt to distance itself from the juggernaut that is COD4, it's almost as if they know it won't make the grade.

    The only problem with this impeccable logic is that the target audience is not stupid, well certainly not stupid enough to buy this cynical marketing ploy, it looks like a cheap rip off of COD4, it plays like a cheap rip off of COD4. It is COD5 regardless of what they try to do to, if they wanted to call it something else then they should have dropped the 'Call of Duty', but oh no, then they might not get the sales that association with COD4 would garner.

  • ronuds #55 3 years ago

    "Red Sparrows,as i said,sometimes less is more,and if we talk about strictly ''war'' games Battlefield would easily wipe the floor with COD3 MP.Why do you think most people dismiss the Treyarch CODs?"

    Are you talking of the newest Battlefield for the 360? I'd put my a$$ sweat about one notch above that steaming pile of turd.

    What a piece of turd that game is. A steaming pile of one, in fact.

  • Climhazzard #56 3 years ago

    why does cod5 suck so much is what i wanna know.

  • dudefella #57 3 years ago

    "and if you're a gamer it belongs in your library."

    What a fucking cunt.

  • keith123 #58 3 years ago

    COD4 MP pisses all over COD5 MP.
    Far more fun to play.
    I'm 10th prestige rank 55 on COD4, only rank 11 on COD5 MP Beta. Gave up on it cos its shite in comparison.

  • clockworkzombie #59 3 years ago

    My only complaint with the beta is lag. Made it unplayable for me. I did enjoy the environments, very pretty. I have CoD 2,3 and 4 I enjoy the multiplayer in each of the games. Some of the maps in 3 are incredible.

    A shame my friends want to do other things these days. I really looked forward to my weekly CoD 2 and 3 sessions. It will be nice to have vehicles back too.

    I am now waiting for the next installment, I like the WWII settings so I am a little sad that it will most likely be the last one in that setting.

  • beastmaster #60 3 years ago

    Don't know if any of you have played Quantum of Solace yet. I know they've adapted the engine to include cover system etc. However, having just finished Far Cry 2 (excellent game) I thought I'd fire it up and give it a go. I've played it for 4 hours and it's going back. The WOW beta is great (IMHO) but QOS (even on multiplayer) is awful.

    This ain't no Goldeneye, that's for sure. It's give it 1 for every torturous hour, so 4/10. I hope they don't cock up COD.

  • mikeleddy83 #61 3 years ago

    Too much hate, I'll have to object and say it's great, not perfect of course but nowhere near the tangent everyone's thinking. Only downside is the weird design of the split screen campaign play which you'll admit is silly when you see it but at least it's there. The engine the game uses makes it impossible to be anything but fun and dropping air strikes doesn't get too old too soon. Even the real-time action bits are quite well done so where you're getting the notion it's terrible from is beyond me.
    Edited by 1 at 10/11/08 @ 23:32

  • clockworkzombie #62 3 years ago

    I really enjoyed the single player Battlefield: Bad Company, I will buy more like that. I did trade it in though as all my online friends wanted to play CoD 4 instead. I did enjoy the BC online multiplayer I thought CoD 4 was better though.

  • metalangel #63 3 years ago

    No amount of whining and being a super douche will disguise the fact that this is a crappy mod of CoD4 (and for a full price big budget game to be utterly inferior to many free PC mods is unbelievable) and nothing more. That bolt action rifles have somehow been nerfed in the process together with the ludicrous additions of dogs and zombies pretty much ensures this game will be remembered more for dividing the fans than for what good qualities it may possess (not holding my breath for those). And yes, CoD3 multiplayer is a wonderful thing.

  • Barokka #64 3 years ago

    I liked the cod 5 beta.
    Though the rifle should be a one-shot-one-kill weapon.
    All in all i can't say anything bad about this game because i love the world war 2 setting.

    For all the internet geeks who want the game to be called cod waw and not cod 5:
    cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5 cod5

  • mainaman #65 3 years ago

    Battlefield BC is far from perfect,but has some great features and COD3 MP at least differed from COD2 MP.

    Most people agree that this COD5(or whatever they call it) beta is reskinned COD4 MP with WW2 setting,screwed balance and ridiculous ''innovations''. And i wouldn't hold my breath for the single-player either.In fact i have yet to be bothered to finish COD3,unlike all other console CODs.

    If you enjoy the beta,buy it.But even people that like WW2 MP admit that this looks inferior to COD4 MP.

    BTW,if only DICE ups the weapon damage in BC and introduce hardcore mode(preferebly without vehicles)...

  • snafu65 #66 3 years ago

    Well PSW magazine gave World At War 10/10 and said it's better than Modern Conflict, but seeing as it was an "exclusive" review and remembering the mess Treyarch made of COD3 I would treat that with the utmost suspicion.We'll soon find out one way or the other anyway.

  • DFawkes #67 3 years ago

    It's not CoD... oh what's the point. If it's shit, we'll point at Treyarch and shout "5 was shit! Look what you did!" and throw faeces at them. In fact, lets do that anyway for sticking those bloody QTEs in Spider-man 3.

  • clockworkzombie #68 3 years ago

    EB Games has just called and told me I can pick up my copy.

    I guess it is time to put Fable 2 away for a bit.

  • Enzo25 #69 3 years ago

    Grow the fcuk up a bit guys christ! If you dont like it dont get it simple!

  • metalangel #70 3 years ago

    If you don't like reading our gripes don't read them JESUS FICKY FICK!

  • Les #71 3 years ago

    "a vicious, brutal enemy"

    I guess as the Japanese don't really care about FPSs it won't be released over there?