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Call of Duty 4 community manager Robert Bowling won't like it, but COD: World at War producer Noah Heller has been sounding off to Eurogamer about comparisons between the Treyarch and Infinity Ward shooters.
"It's a different game to Call of Duty 4," Heller insisted, when we asked him if he thought World at War was a better game. "I'll say this - if you're interested in picking up an M16 or blowing six people away with the red dot sight, you're still going to love Call of Duty 4.
"We're offering a flamethrower, a .30 cal, a vicious, brutal enemy and co-op - there's a lot to love here and I'm very satisfied to say that between this game and Call of Duty 4 you've definitely got the best two shooters on the market."
When pressed on whether World at War is a better first-person shooter than Infinity Ward's acclaimed effort, Heller refused to be drawn, claiming: "I would be killed if I answered that question." And Bowling would be prime suspect.
The COD4 community manager issued a ferocious broadside against Heller last Friday on his blog, accusing the "senior super douche" of "pulling s*** out of his ass" about the series in interviews.
He added: "Can you guys please stop interviewing this guy... I can't take another Google alert of garbage coming through my inbox with bulls*** quotes from this guy". Sorry, Rob.
Heller, speaking to Eurogamer at a recent press event in London, revealed that while there had been technical discussion between Treyarch and Infinity Ward (since World at War uses the COD4 engine), the game was very much Treyarch's own.
"The engineers have a chance to talk to each other, but the design teams are very separate," he explained. "It's really important for healthy game development that the teams have their own voice and their own time to do design.
Heller further suggested that Infinity Ward would actually benefit from the work Treyarch had put in with the engine, particularly with co-op.
"If something makes the code run better, it only helps everyone to share that kind of knowledge," he noted. "But getting into the details of what we share, it's way too technical.
"I'm sure Infinity Ward is proud of the fact they had nothing to do with World at War, just as much as Treyarch is proud of the fact that it's their own game and their own chance to shine. It's a different shooter than Call of Duty 4, and if you're a gamer it belongs in your library."
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Please stop calling it CoD5. It isn't, it's CoD: World at War. Until they acknowledge it as CoD5, it's not. It's more like Vice City and San Andreas. It is not. CoD. Five.
If it really is a different game, colour me disinterested entirely. I was actually looking for more of the same.
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The WW2 shitty weaponry,the tanks and the ''dogs of war'' crap killed this one for me.
It's good to have the option to take auto-aim off,but why hardcore mode still uses the perks? Better to release COD4 expansion or give time to Infinity Ward to make another contemporary shooter with some new features than churning out this travesty. |
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But it kind of is COD5 isn't it, and no ammount of internet pricks begging the rest of the world to "please refer to it by its proper name" are going to change the fact that this will be DIRECTLY compared to COD4, and found wanting, irrespecting of 'cool new' zombie modes.
You are right, it not a difficult concept Fab4, I wouldn't touch this stinking pile of shit with yours. Roll on COD6! |
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Treyarch had 10 months to develop CoD3 for virtually all platforms imaginable...most of you couldnt even decide to blow your nose in that amount of time. And there are still many people playing CoD3 today (last night even). 24 player matches, 1hr in length, on maps that piss all over CoD4's postage stamps. Vehicles...classes...CTF...WAR.
If Treyarch had kept on with that approach rather than bowing down to Activision's demands for a CoD4: Not So Modern Warfare, then the game could have been great. As it is, its just a reskinned version of the PoS that CoD4 is...all perked up for the dumbed down generation. |
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rhinoxious
10/11/08 @ 15:29
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I quite enjoyed the Beta, but they've certainly missed an opportunity to do something different, a little slower and a little longer ranged. I think the inclusion of the spotter plane is a mistake as well - it just doesn't fit, how would your average grunt know what they could see, it's not like they all have voice comms and HUDs!
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farticusmaximus
10/11/08 @ 15:38
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CoD:WaW quite simply feels like a half-arsed amateur mod of CoD4.
The weapons balance sucks, the dogs suck, the perks and plane/airstrike, etc seem completely out of place in a WW2 setting. The Beta was sufficient to dissuade me from ever buying CoD:WaW, as CoD4 does everything far, far better. Hang your heads in shame Treyarch. |
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farticusmaximus
10/11/08 @ 15:50
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"COD5 will be better then COD4."
Explain how you think a borked reskin of a game will be better than the original? |
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rhinoxious
10/11/08 @ 15:50
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I'm just hoping that some of the maps look more like battlefields!
It is War game after all, not a special forces insurgency anti-terrorist etc etc |
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It is not CoD5. I'll repost this every time someone refers to it as such, and I can still be bothered. It is not CoD5. It is not Call of Duty 5. The developers don't refer to it as Call of Duty 5. It isn't CoD5. I know it's easier to type, but accompanying CoD5 with other words suggests you have enough of an attention span to type the extra 2 characters. Or, since it's in this thread, WaW would not only suffice but it'd even be shorter than CoD5.
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Kingofnothin
10/11/08 @ 16:47
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COD5 Beta was pretty good, theres no longer a M16A4 type weapon which was a Shotgun, Semi Auto, Sniper all rolled into one( when used with Stopping Power). The weapons in 5 seem to be a lot more balanced compared to to COD4, and each have pros and cons unlike some of the weapons in COD4 some of which were too good imo. I think COD5 is definitely worthy of passing the time until IW create there next game, who knows next time they will raise the bar too high for Treyarch to follow suit!
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RedSparrows
10/11/08 @ 16:53
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The whole hype train of CoD is distinctly boring now. choo choo.
I don't get it though: IT'S THE SAME AS COD4!!!! BUT IT'S CRAP! BUT COD 4 WAS THE BEST GAME EVER! (ahaha, LIES). BUT IT'S THE SAME, JUST LIKE AN EXPANSION PACK! But then I don't get why they can't fix the atrocious spawn system in CoD4, so who knows. (/troll. Sorry, bad day)
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COD3 MP was shit.It's a widely acknowledged fact that can't be easily denied just because you can lose yourself in the maps and there are 23 other mofos roaming around on foot or in vehicles.
Sometimes less is more and fortunately COD5 is reskinned COD4,but botched job all the same.
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@ Fab4, man I didn't know people were still playing it. I might buy it again, I enjoyed it far more than CoD4 online. AHEM.
'COD3 MP was shit.It's a widely acknowledged fact that can't be easily denied just because you can lose yourself in the maps and there are 23 other mofos roaming around on foot or in vehicles. ' Lies. You can't 'lose yourself', the maps were large but well designed. Try War on Poisson with 24 players. Absolute bliss of a war game. It was not shit, it was excellent fun.
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"Lies. You can't 'lose yourself', the maps were large but well designed. Try War on Poisson with 24 players. Absolute bliss of a war game. It was not shit, it was excellent fun."
I concur! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do like COD5's weapons better. I don't think you'll be able to get away with the things you could in COD4, and you definitely will have to have more skill to succeed. COD4 was a newb-fest. |
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10/11/08 @ 17:11
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The whole hype train of CoD is distinctly boring now. choo choo.
I don't get it though: IT'S THE SAME AS COD4!!!! BUT IT'S CRAP! BUT COD 4 WAS THE BEST GAME EVER! (ahaha, LIES). BUT IT'S THE SAME, JUST LIKE AN EXPANSION PACK! But then I don't get why they can't fix the atrocious spawn system in CoD4, so who knows. (/troll. Sorry, bad day) Hahaha! One of the funniest posts I've read in a while, one that that is circled by the ring of TRUTH! |
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I didn't care much for CoD 4 either with it's fucking helicopters that just ruined it in the end for me. Multiplayer was fun for a while, but you can only take so much guys sniping from should-be unreachable spots on the maps and 4 helis in a row.
I also agree on the spawning system being totally crap in CoD 4 and it has been ever since the first Call of Duty.
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@dsmx
But further to this some insane design decisons make no sense to me why make bolt action rifles not a 1 hit kill, why make all the rifles piss weak, why make the mp40 more powerful than the thompson To all of that: you gotta be shitting me? I guess when they renamed the weapon definition files they got from Infinity Ward they got them a bit mixed up. ;) @Bealsy I'm awaiting an EG 7/10 "must try harder" I'm expecting about the same, also anyone know if the "brutal enemy" still just runs in a line straight towards you shouting? There was a bit in an E3 (maybe Leipzig) movie where the marines were investigating a crashed plane in the swamp and the Japanese attacked and because of some peculiarity in the map they all streamed around a "corner" or tree trunk or something so that they ended up following each other in a perfectly straight line running straight into the player's thompson/bar fire. I remember thinking that if that was their "brutal enemy" in effect then it was pretty pathetic. |
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sfernley@msn.com
10/11/08 @ 17:46
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Wow, a lot of people are dissing this game.
I wonder how many of these people have played the full game through. It seems a bit unfair to judge this game from a small beta/demo. Dont forget there is a full single player campaign, co-op and many more levels for the multiplayer. Why not wait for the full game release before slating it. If you dont like it from the demo then dont buy it but don't slate it before you have even played the full game. |
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"Red Sparrows,as i said,sometimes less is more,and if we talk about strictly ''war'' games Battlefield would easily wipe the floor with COD3 MP.Why do you think most people dismiss the Treyarch CODs?
And COD4 MP Ground War also supports more than 16 players,on vertically expanded maps! " Most people dismiss CoD3 because it wasnt as easy to be good at it as CoD2 was, or CoD4. Simple as. There were no 'toys r us' sniper rifles in it and the maps were larger so you couldnt camp and be successful. As for this 'vertically expanded maps' nonsense...you mean you could go upstairs in some buildings? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. Obviously never played the Marseilles map, or even Ironclad. Or even Rouen, Fuel Plant, Merville or Eder from the original maps...they all had 'vertical expansion'. |
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