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PlayStation 3 News by Robert Purchese

24 October, 2007

The Church of England has forgiven Sony for not asking permission before recreating Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man.

It was let off the hook last night at the BAFTA ceremony after it failed to win in its publicly voted for PC World Gamer's category.

"I think some important lessons have been learnt," said the Very Rev Rogers Govender, Dean of Manchester Cathedral (recorded by the BBC).

"So we do forgive Sony for what they have done, even though they still believe they have done nothing wrong."

However, he went on to reprimand Sony for the example it was setting, and said our recently more advanced industry should look to mediums like television and film as a guideline on how to show courtesy toward delicate social matters.

"In an industry that is breaking new frontiers, it is important that long held traditions of film and television are maintained," he said.

"These traditions include having courtesy, respecting the dignity of your subject, and admitting when mistakes have been made.

"In so many ways Sony have failed to live up to these standards by disrespecting people of faith and the victims of gun crime here in Manchester," he added.

Govender had previously called for Resistance: Fall of Man to be removed from the BAFTA nominations.

However, he did also admit last night that Manchester Cathedral had seen a rise in visits from young people and tourists following the very public row.

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jellyhead
24/10/07 @ 13:13
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All's well that ends well.
Bless.
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24/10/07 @ 13:13
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"I think some important lessons have been learnt,"

Yes.

Getting the Church all worked up as free advertising is priceless.
Darren
24/10/07 @ 13:15
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The Church are hypocrites in my opinion; the only reason they've forgiven Sony is because they've benefited from them in the form of free publicity for Manchester Cathedral. Why else would they mention an increase in the number of visitors? ;)
Lebowski
24/10/07 @ 13:21
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Or forgiveness is a Christian ethos? It's good that in today's world someone's decided not to hate and sue for a change.

Shinji [mod]
24/10/07 @ 13:23
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Or forgiveness is a Christian ethos? It's good that in today's world someone's decided not to hate and sue for a change.

It helps that they had absolutely no legal case, and would have been laughed out of court, of course.
drumbaby
24/10/07 @ 13:24
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Who gives a fuck if the church forgive or not? Surely it's up the that God bloke or summink?
Skooch
24/10/07 @ 13:24
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/gets big hammer and bashes nearest religion
Verwandlung
24/10/07 @ 13:27
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Thank you God.
Triggerhappytel
24/10/07 @ 13:33
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"In related news Sony wanted to thank the CofE for the free publicity and the increased sales in said game.

They hope to work together again in the future."
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The Bodybuilder
24/10/07 @ 13:34
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Yep, looks like we've got ourselves another God-bashing thread to last for 4 pages.
kangarootoo
24/10/07 @ 13:34
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@Darren

Errr, I think forgiveness might have turned up in the whole Christian ballpark a little earlier than the PS3.

"By showing forgiveness the church is being hypocritical"


"However, he did also admit last night that Manchester Cathedral had seem a rise in visits from young people and tourists following the very public row"

Heehee, thats kind of funny though.
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ZuluHero
24/10/07 @ 13:34
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increased sales and increased tourism. Sounds like win win to me.
Les
24/10/07 @ 13:39
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I don't forgive the Church the witch hunts and burning of heretics.
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24/10/07 @ 13:40
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"It helps that they had absolutely no legal case, and would have been laughed out of court, of course."

From memory, the curch were never taking it legal, instead demanding apologies and modifications to the game post-hoc.
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24/10/07 @ 13:40
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In an industry that is breaking new frontiers, it is important that long held traditions of film and television are maintained

Translation:

In an industry that is breaking new frontiers, it is important that long held frontiers are maintained
Steroyd
24/10/07 @ 13:40
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The church forgives Sony's Resistance game.

/Resistance sales jump 500%...again.
GamesConnoisseur
24/10/07 @ 13:41
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At Fightman unrepeatable comment

:-o
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24/10/07 @ 13:42
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oh shut the fuck up.
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24/10/07 @ 13:48
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Who cares about child abuse in the clergy, our god house is in a game with a gun! Hells no!

STFU CofE. Shouldn't you be running some fate's somewhere and other such important stuff instead of dishing out pointless forgiveness to things that do not need forgiving?

Be nice to fightman, he was sexually abused by a PS3, the trauma has got to him. But do block the little prick.
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24/10/07 @ 13:49
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"Or forgiveness is a Christian ethos?"

Forgiveness is a conditional Christian ethos. In fact, they're just like regular humans. Only they use an atiquated (proven, some people around here would say ;) ) collection of fairy tales to rationalise their conditional forgiveness.
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24/10/07 @ 13:55
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I read this as;
"Our attempts at using the media to pressure Sony into giving us money have failed so we're going to appear to be taking the moral high road."

One day the rest of the world will catch on to what the games industry already knows; Complaints about games in the media only serve to increase sales.
kangarootoo
24/10/07 @ 13:58
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@septimus

/sigh

What you are talking about is related to the Catholic church. The church in question this time is church of england (as stated in the first sentence of the article)

I'm an aetheist, but at least I know the bloody difference.

I mean otherwise I would just be commenting on something I clearly know nothing about, and that would just make me look foolish... right?
kangarootoo
24/10/07 @ 14:00
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@fightman

"im so upset rofl"

But you are upset inside. Upset and lonely. Which is why you come on here and vent, and pretend you are actually someone who doesn't care what anyone thinks. 'cos its easier that way.

We understand. Its ok to cry.
AcidSnake
24/10/07 @ 14:05
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fightman will always be here HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Until you get banned that is...
Aretak
24/10/07 @ 14:05
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Hi Mapster.
Steroyd
24/10/07 @ 14:25
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Fightman3 wtf? o_O
SBfistfun
24/10/07 @ 14:29
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^ Lol

Long live Fightman and his insanity
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24/10/07 @ 14:34
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"Errr, I think forgiveness might have turned up in the whole Christian ballpark a little earlier than the PS3."

You'd have to be Christian to forgive the PS3.

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24/10/07 @ 14:38
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Resistance is Fiction, is a game (in fact a great one).... and i don't see how they disrespected the Church by including the cathedral... by the way, R&C: Tools of destruction is awesome, getting great Reviews everywhere... (just curious about the score Eurogamer will give to the game).
Stormflood
24/10/07 @ 14:44
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I forgive the Church.

Self righteousness is fun.
monkie_king
24/10/07 @ 14:49
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Apologist: please go and shill for Sony somewhere else. We all have the critical faculties to judge the merits of Sony's console based on the available evidence. Kthxbye.
jaxon58
24/10/07 @ 14:52
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I'm an atheist, and I hate levels which are set everywhere other than churches.

Genji
24/10/07 @ 14:57
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LOL @ RELIGION AM I RIGHT FOLKS
MrChuckles
24/10/07 @ 15:00
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The 'Very Rev' Rogers Govender.

Are there different levels of Revered?

Can someone be 'Very Very Rev'?

Surely just Rev is enough for anyone?
Xerx3s
24/10/07 @ 15:02
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"I think some important lessons have been learnt,"

Yes, you're still an arrogant cock.
Lebowski
24/10/07 @ 15:06
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Don't the CoE 'own' the church in question though? Isn't it the same as someone going into your house, photographing it, and then putting it all into a game? ("Find Dad's hidden stack of 80's Fiestas - 20 Achievement Points!") It's all about image, image representation, and rights of use, isn't it? (sorry, I'm not Rumpole).



pigwhistler
24/10/07 @ 15:15
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Why cant all religous people just take a vow of silence and shut the fuck up - forever.
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24/10/07 @ 15:20
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But since the church in the game was on pc by artists etc you could argue that it's nothing to do with Manchester at all, it's not a film of the building in question!! LOL.

LOL, can see Rockstar getting ready to put a religious building being used as a brothel in GTA 4 LOL ;-)
The_Inquisitor
24/10/07 @ 15:32
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It took them a while to 'forgive' didn't it?
pjmaybe
24/10/07 @ 15:46
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Wow, phew, thank god (hah) for that. I mean it could've been awful, terrible. Whatever would Sony have done if the church had remained pissed off at 'em.

Peej
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24/10/07 @ 15:48
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Forgiveness takes time, The good people who worship there have had to get over alot of embarrassment, I mean, to have your building feature in a really poor attempt at a FPS on the least desirable next gen console at present is really quite distressing imo.
homerramone
24/10/07 @ 15:48
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What a load of twaddle !!

Tax the church now !!
Apostle
24/10/07 @ 15:59
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Religion: OMG!
kangarootoo
24/10/07 @ 16:12
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"no chance of a IP ban. i would use the TOR network to ensure dynamic IP's. "

That is the single saddest thing I have ever heard.

Bully for you eh, makes it all worthwhile.
Feanor
24/10/07 @ 16:19
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God damn whining churches can go to hell.
Tiny_Tim
24/10/07 @ 16:21
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I may be wrong, but is there not quite a lot of wanton destruction in the bible?
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24/10/07 @ 16:34
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"I may be wrong, but is there not quite a lot of wanton destruction in the bible?"

If performed for the glory of God it can of course not be 'wanton'... So you're wrong. ;)
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Next up - 'Outcry over massacre at St Pauls Cathedral in game aptly named Hellgate'

You know it's going to happen...
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24/10/07 @ 17:56
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REPENT!!!
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24/10/07 @ 18:18
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Both games (Resistance and Hellgate) are not respecting someone's beliefs and that is not right.

Someone earlier rightly said, I can't see them putting a mosque in there and that's something that no one can argue with, because we all know the consequences, don't we?

Attacking something one knows nothing about simply means one is in fear of it or that one does not understand it. While throwing clichés around that one's heard somewhere else makes one sound like uneducated and misinformed - just like sampling a record. But have you actually tried to understand it yourselves?

This is not an attack on your beliefs, as a Christian, I respect all your opinions, even though I may not agree with some of them - I only ask for the same in return.

Everyone should extend the same courtesy to any church and believers as we would to our family, friends, girlfriend/boyfriend or whoever/whatever you hold dear to your heart and would jump to defend in an instant, if they/it were wronged in any way.

Taking the time to understand something or someone makes one more wise and be able to speak with authority and knowledge and that can NEVER be a bad thing, nor can anyone mock you for that. Any I mean that for Sony as well.

Going one step further and defending someone else's stance/belief makes you even more worthy and respected for your tolerance and appreciation - again, not a bad thing. So, I ask kindly and humbly that you defend the CoE's views or at the very least respect them and comment on here with more authority towards Sony and other publishers, by holding them accountable and responsible...Just like you might do of the government or indeed someone who injures or or worse, that thing/person you care about the most.

Thank you and I'm sorry for going on or sounding a bit moralistic, in a headmaster kind of way! :-)

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