Bonkers Logitech GHWT guitar priced News

Oh dear

Hey Logitech - suck my baws!

Damn! I went out and bought the whole bundle, when I could've just had a slightly nicer guitar for the same price. How much of a chump am I?

I can't see them selling any.

Take your £150 and buy yourself a real guitar :O

I can't see them selling any.


I reckon this will sell well, there are a lot of nerds out there.

Take your £150 and buy yourself a real guitar :O


Behave son.

And stop playing FIFA and go and buy a real football

etc

etc

Take your £150 and buy yourself a real guitar :O

you don't get real guitar for 150 quid mate. try 1500

worth it if it lasts longer than the GH pieces of shit

Ilogispec

If it worked with RB then I might've been tempted. But since GH is crap and I only bought WT because I needed a nice second guitar, I won't bother.

"you don't get real guitar for 150 quid mate. try 1500 "

There are plenty of reasonable starter guitars for that price. Investigate Yamaha Pacifica's for example.

However, there's no guitar I'd want to keep for £150. Hell, even £1500 would be pushing it.

I'd be tempted if it were a Rock Band guitar. I know it'd work and all, but I'd want the Rock Band features. Already got the Ion drum kit, so I'm no stranger to overly unnecessary music peripherals.

Behave farticusmaximus, you can get some beautiful Gibson ES-335's for that money.

Don't be a guitar snob! May I ask which guitars you own then? I'm guessing a nice £3,000 les paul which you play in your band in front of 30'000 screaming fans?

I thought not.... There are hundreds and hundreds of very good quality guitars for less than £1500!
I do believe Jack White use's some guitars at times much less than even that, oh, but he's a terrible guitarist isn't he!

Edit : Your probably going to come back with some remark about prices etc etc and Jack White is rubbish blah blah, so please direct me to a place where i can hear your (superior i bet) sounds....

farticusmaximus doesn't play in front of 30,000 screaming fans with his Les Paul....



...he plays an Ibanez

Dear Logitech!

Please make us a really good guitar that works with both Guitar Hero and Rock Band. It does not need to have real wood on its neck. Just a lot better guitar than is shipped with RB or GH, we all know You can make very good peripherals. 100 GBP / 150 EUR would be an ideal price for a very good guitar.

Thank You in advance!

Yours, MKorkia

LOL @ MKorkia and his exchange rate madness. At the rate the pound is going it is going to be 150 GBP / 100 EUR!!!

@DoctorZoidberg

I'm not saying there aren't superb guitars out there for considerably less than £1500, it's just the particular one's I'm after are a bit pricey, no in fact scratch that, the one's I'm after are rediculously expensive for what you get. :)

I have:

'91 USA Jackson Randy Rhoads
'92 Ibanez Sabre LTD
Hamer Californian (luminous yellow with pink JEM in bridge!!)
Flying V clone (natural Korina/gold hardware)
Warwick streamer 5-fretless
Steinberger 4 string (de-fretted)

Would like:

Ibanez Jem - flourescent green swril (no longer made)
Proper Gibbo Flying V. (my copy is okay, but balance is a little bit off)
Jackson Warrior, neck-thru with active EMG's. (only available from US custom shop.)


Also, I've never played to 3000, let alone 30,000! ;)

"We like the idea, but for GBP 150 you can buy a complete bundle of instruments for GHWT. We're not sure we understand."

I would rather pay £150 for something thats going to work and has decent build quality. I payed £150 for the instrument pack and got a set of drums that dont work (calibration kit in the post) and a guitar that lasted a weekend before the green button started sticking and became useless. So I ended up paying £150 for a game and microphone. Crazy as it sounds I would consider this along with the £230 Ion Drum kit you can get (http://www.drumrocker.com/)

The quality of both Harmonix and Red Octanes instruments is shockingly poor and as it stands I will probably have to fork out another £150 next year to replace the broken instruments I got this year. Only thing stopping me getting the premium kit is this nagging feeling that the feckers at Activision and Harmonix will add something else to the instruments next year

@JahB

Anyone who spends £1500 on a guitar is either buying it as a collector's piece, or is mad.

You can get a completely brilliant guitar for under £500 and the best playing guitars on the planet cost less than £1k.

"@DoctorZoidberg

I'm not saying there aren't superb guitars out there for considerably less than £1500, it's just the particular one's I'm after are a bit pricey, no in fact scratch that, the one's I'm after are rediculously expensive for what you get. :)

I have ....

Wow. I suddenly feel a lot less bad wasting money on imported Transformer figures. Especially as one is a guitar that TURNS INTO A BIRD! Can your guitars do that? Eh? Eh?

Also, "ridiculous".

I've always half wanted a Flying V, but They looks so impractical (but cool).

I'm a lot more in acoustic / fingerpicking myself, whilst I appreciate electrics, they will only be a side hobby of mine (which explains my only electric guitar as a rather cheap £200 tanglewood). I have a ton of acoustics lying all over my house, from cheap Lorenzo's to mid Fenders up to my prized seagull mosaic (not that great, but I love it).

Gibson Doves in Flight, that's my goal one day!

Edit : @ Kangarootoo : Anyone who spends £1500 on a guitar is either buying it as a collector's piece, or is mad.

That's like saying spending 20k on a car is mad. If its you love, and you feel your good enough (and can afford) 1.5k on a guitar, more power too you! that Gibson above I want is about £3.500!

@Bumhug360

Can that ION kit can be used a normal e-kit trigger system? That would add value to it right away. I thought you could add a normal e-kit brain and just play drums on it, I may be wrong.

P.s. just saw the third clip on that web link. You can indeed use the ION kit as a trigger system for an e-kit. That makes it worth £230.

@DoctorZoidberg

Well I guess that falls into the collector's piece category then. I'm not saying collectors are mad, but the guitars they buy are not bought purely for the quality of playing experience.

I've bought guitars for aethetic reasons in the past, but I would usually buy something based on how it played above anything else. And some really nice vintage guitars that cost a lot of money simply don't play as well as a top end modern guitar. This is perhaps not so much the case with acoustics, but I'm on the other side of tyhe fence to you and I don't know much about acoustics :)

Which Gibson is it incidentally?

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/gibs...

Thats my dream guitar.

I'm an odd player though, I have my acoustics with a really high action, playing electrics is a bit odd to me because they are always a lot lower (I could change them of course). I just prefer slower more melodic playing. One day I'm going to go the whole hog and get a nylon stringed classical.

And I too have bought guitars for aesthetic reasons. I have a fender Tiki Femme Fatale, which sounds super bassey, but looks amazing. I have one of these too, http://www.fallonemusic.com/images/Ibane...
Its probably the worst sounding acoustic ever, but it looks pretty next to the more boring looking ones.

"Wow. I suddenly feel a lot less bad wasting money on imported Transformer figures. Especially as one is a guitar that TURNS INTO A BIRD! Can your guitars do that? Eh? Eh?"

Not sure what you are getting at here...

@Bumhug360: Playing with the Ion kit is something else. It's worth considering if you really like your peripherals, although only really works with Rock Band for now.

"One day I'm going to go the whole hog and get a nylon stringed classical."

I learnt to play on one of those. Far from an ideal guitar for a beginner, but it probably helped my finger strength. Too many kids start playing on cheap acoustics, and get put off by the fact they have a terribly high action. Much better to start them on a cheap but well set up electric.


Anyway, /checks link. Holy crap that is a pricey guitar! It doesn't even have any flames on it ffs ;)

I think if I were to pick any guitar as my all time fave it would be one of these two.

http://www.seibass.com/ (no particular item, they are all custom made anyway)
http://www.prsguitars.com/513/index.html

Hmmm. I guess I am into overpriced dream guitars as much as the next person. I just took issue with the suggestion that you couldn't get a "real" guitar for under £1.5k (which I know wasn't you comment).

@DoctorZoidberg

I know very little about acoustics, but that Gibbo looks very nice. The Ibanez looks crazy though! xD


"I'm an odd player though"

My favourtie kind! I'm very much a fan of the eclectic.


@Kangaroo

"I've bought guitars for aethetic reasons in the past, but I would usually buy something based on how it played above anything else."

It's when you can find the two aspects combined with no compromises that the price tends to shoot through the roof. ;)

DoctorZoidberg,

Sorry to have a go but that is one of the gayest guitars I've ever seen ;)

@kanggarootoo "@JahB

Anyone who spends £1500 on a guitar is either buying it as a collector's piece, or is mad.

You can get a completely brilliant guitar for under £500 and the best playing guitars on the planet cost less than £1k. "

Nonsense. It's not until you get into the 4k and upwards bracket that you move into the collectors market. Sure you can get some very nice guitars for less than 1k, notably from Ibanez, though even the very best Ibanez has to offer tend to come in somewhere between 1200 and 2000.

The very best playing guitars on the planet come from the likes of Suhr, Tyler, Anderson, and to a lesser extent PRS. Not to mention Huber, Thorn, et al.

You get what you pay for, and the very best guitars can make you play better, and sound better, regardless of whether you play in a band or noodle in the bedroom. No matter whst your level, if you can afford a very good guitar, you eon't regret playing it. I love my Tyler, and it's a guitar I'll always have. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerolight/s...

Those Paul Reed Smith's look very nice!

And Thunderbolt!, admittedly it looks a bit fruity, but it is a good talking point, and it always amuses my friends when we have a jam!

Edit : That looks nice Zerolight, but I'm not a fan of that spangly faceplate!

Peripheral Edition? As opposed to what, a guitar welded to your console?

@zerolight

"The very best playing guitars on the planet come from the likes of Suhr, Tyler, Anderson, and to a lesser extent PRS. Not to mention Huber, Thorn, et al."

You can't quantify what 'the best playing guitars on the planet' are I'm afraid, as guitar quality is as subjective as videogame quality. Ask SRV or Hendrix (via a medium, of course) what the best guitars on the planet are and they will say Fender Strat, ask Vai or Satch and they will say Ibanez.

I like that music and instruments are such a personal thing and thus not easily categorised. I also find it amusing how everyone is so desperate to catagorise everything music related. :)

it is bonkers......

I'll have 3 in different colours! :P :)

looks sweet tho'

worth it if it lasts longer than the GH pieces of shit

Amen to that. I'm about to throw my GH3 guitar out due to button presses not registering at all sometimes.
Very frustrating as I love the game. Doubly frustrating as I live in Japan and they don't sell any X360 guitars without a copy of the game over here for some reason...

Daikon

'Amen to that. I'm about to throw my GH3 guitar out due to button presses not registering at all sometimes. '

I have the same problem and will be getting a new guitar this weekend, unfortunately not this one. LOL

I find that using fresh quality batteries helps and as someone suggested using an elastic so that the neck and base of the guitar are firmly together so the connectors are held in place.

@zerolight

I'm not really getting into details about at what price bracket you enter the collectors market. That wasn't really my point. What I am saying is that you don't need to spend £1500 to get one of the best PLAYING guitars on the planet.

I would challenge any guitarist on the planet not familiar with the range to tell the difference between a selection of Ibanez guitars from between £900 and the top of their range. When people talk about the "best playing", a lot of it is simply smoke and mirrors and placebo. Once you get into the top echelons the differences are simply not discernible outside of people's own imaginations. Its the same as with cars, sometimes you are paying top whack just to have the right badge on the front of the radiator grill.

Your own guitar is very nice indeed, and certainly looks unique and expensive, but I would dispute whether it plays better than a good guitar half the price that is properly set up. It is clearly a collectors guitar, and some of the money you spent on it did not go into making it play any better than a cheaper model. I'm not saying it isn't a worthwhile purchase, but its not JUSt about how well it plays (going back again to the comment about "real" guitars").

@kangarootoo

I'm not saying that there aren't very good guitars at reasonable prices. You commented that you could get the very best guitar in the world for less than 1k. I'm merely saying that's not true, but you could get a very nice guitar. For instance, if you are willing to import direct from the USA, you could get a top end Satriani model for about £900 and maybe about £1400 for a JEM7VWH. A nice J-Custom Ibanez will set you back about £1250. Stellar guitars, I've owned them all. I think I've bought and sold around 40 guitars in my 20 years of playing before settling on my Tyler. But if you want some that feels and sounds tangibly better than these sub 1500 quid guitars then guys like Suhr and Tyler are certainly guys to consider. Guitarist Magazine, who are not ones to hype up guitars (this months issue scored the latest PRS guitars at 3.5/5) famously reviewed the Tyler Studio Elite giving it top marks and saying "if you have to sell every bit of gear you own to buy one, you should do, it's that good".

In the guitar world, you generally (though not always) get what you pay for.

With regards to endorsers of Ibanez, Gibson, ESP, etc. Why do you think they play them? Because they are the best of the best? Or because they get paid handsomely to put their name on them. Steve Stephens is a good example, he's a Musicman endorser, specifically, the Axis. Great guitar by the way, I still miss my old one. He plays that and a Les Paul exclusively live, yet his favourite guitar is is Suhr Modern. He'd play it more apparently, if he weren't contractually obliged not to. If Ibanez wanted to throw a bundle of money my way to play only JEMs and RGs, of course I'd put my Tyler in it's case.

Regarding my guitar. No, I'm not good enough to really justify the expense. But it's a terrific playing and sounding guitar. Yes the flash paint job, 1 one off, added a couple of hundred dollars to the price. What you pay for in a Tyler is a lot of little details, and his ability to take mundane pieces of wood and make them much more than the some of their parts. For me, it's the neck. It's got a certain feel that's hard to describe, but is very very good. It's got little scalloped edges on the fingerboard (not over the whole fret) that make it feel worn in, like an old friend you played for decades, and it's got a ridiculously fat resonant sound. The midboost is a nice touch that I use occasionally, but a Tyler is all about the neck.

@farticusmaximus

I never said who made the absolute best of the best. Of course it is subjective. I just gave examples of the sort of places to look. If you like what fender does with the strat, and want that perfected, then guys like Tyler, Suhr, Anderson, DeTemple, Lentz do it better. If you like the Gibson sound, then guys like Thorn, McInturff, PRS, and the like do it better. My point being, there are plenty of great guitars in the sub 1k bracket, but that going into kangerootoos post 1500 bracket didn't put you into collectibles, it put you into SOME of the best guitars available. I agree re the mother of toilet scratch plate, I keep debating replacing it with a plain white one, but can't really be bothered.

I have an Ibanez RS440 which I bought for 80 of your English pounds, from a fire sale. It had 2 scratches on the back, but apart from that it plays like a dream...lovely action.

@zerolight

"If you like what fender does with the strat, and want that perfected, then guys like Tyler, Suhr, Anderson, DeTemple, Lentz do it better. If you like the Gibson sound, then guys like Thorn, McInturff, PRS, and the like do it better."

This is my point though, if someone enjoys playing a strat and believes it to be their ideal guitar then nobody can 'do it better' because any difference to wood, pickups, frets, etc will alter the tone.

The manufacturers you mentioned may be able to provide more expensive, or perceived higher quality components but for some if it's not a genuine strat/les paul/tele/V/whatever then it's not a better guitar, it's just a different guitar.

I'll take 12....
I once tried to get into playing Bass, this was waaaay back when Limp Bizkit were as cool as fuck, I was soooo clueless I bought a 5 string one (Almost bought one for left handed people first), I think I managed to become skilled enough to play Three Blind Mice and then gave up.
Guitaring isn't for folk with hands the size of a Gorrilla's, combined with the finger dexterity of an Elephant:/
I do respect anyone who is particularly skilled at playing them mind, it's sooo fooking tricky!

@farticusmaximus yep, very true. For some people, it absolutely has to say Fender on the headstock. My point wasn't really that though, since even Fender via the Custom Shop Master Built series make guitars in the 5k to 25k price point. It was that you simply don't get the best playing guitars money can buy for under 1500 quid. You might get the guitar of your dreams if a USA Deluxe Strat is what you want and nothing else, but it's still not going to be the best playing guitar on the planet. And quite often that's what folk want, something that fights them. Point still is, not the best playing. Incidentally, John Suhr used to be a Fender Master Builder.

@zerolight

You make a convincing case, and tbh without actually playing some of the guitars you describe it would be more than a little self centred of me to dismiss the playing experience they provide out of hand as not being any better than guitar XYZ.

As for your scratchplate, its not to my tastes either but I say stick to your guns. Its all subjective really. I think it actually suits the overall look of the guitar better than a plain white one would.

I think I have farticusmaximus on ignore, 'cos all he ever does is troll. But reading your responses it feels like this might actually be a subject on which he can say something remotely adult (though the reference to toilet seats hardly supports that theory).

Guitarists: +1. Nuff said.

This peripheral: Looks nice, bit ouchy pricewise for a one-game peripheral though, IMO.

LiamK: TF Animated Laserbeak FTW! :D

I completely forgoed buying an expensive guitar like those once i reached a decent skill level.
I custom built one from different parts so i could get a sound i wanted out of it, i was a little nervous about doing so before, but it turned out to be pretty simple really.

But then i did my grade 8 with a fender starcaster, so im obviously insane XD

You can get a completely brilliant guitar for under £500 and the best playing guitars on the planet cost less than £1k.

In my house there is:

An ES-335, 2 standard USA Telecasters, a standard USA strat, a 1980 Telecaster Elite (uber-rare thing), an alpine white w/gold hardware custom shop Les Paul Custom, a PRS single-cut, a Ric 620-12, a Ric 360-12, a Gibson Chet Atkins, and probably some others I can't remember (they're my dad's, I'm not that rich!). The only guitar in that list that cost more than £1,500 was the PRS, which was around £2,800. And it plays exponentially better than all the others. Therefore your statement is wrong.

"Therefore your statement is wrong."

Well, that kind of assumes that your own collection is representative of all the guitars out there, which it clearly isn't.

Anyway, I don't really want to continue that avenue of discussion further, 'cos it actually feels like it is getting in the way of an otherwise rather nice thread full of guitarists talking about their hobby. I regert raising the point and I retract it :)


So BlackKraken mentioned building a guitar to suit his/her needs. I completely recommend this, if only from a self fulfilment point of view. I started building guitars in my late teens and actually studied it at uni (among other things) and it can be immensely rewarding. It is extremely unlikely you will end up building your perfect playing guitar, but with a bit of practice you can build exactly the guitar you want to build and feel rather pleased with the results.

I will often say when the subject comes up that building guitars is half ability and half patience, and for a newby it is 90% patience. So long as you just take your damn time the results can be awesome, and you will never stop being proud of what you have created.

Anyone even remotely considering building their own instrument should check this book out. It is by far the best reference I have found for someone undertaking their first build (you can probably find it cheaper elsewhere)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Make-Your-Own-El...

Guy's check out a Music Man Axis, i love mine and it gets a lot more play than my Les Paul and you can pick them up for les than £900! it play's as well as the £1700 Washburn N5 i spent the afternoon noodeling on a few weeks back. I did like the frets on the Nuno though!

Oh forgot to add ESP M in Camo, £1300 now please Santa if your on the Forum Bring it to me baby (i think my wife will shit bricks if i buy another £1k guitar)