Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts Comments by Tom Bramwell

@SeesThroughAll

People are expressing an opinion, big difference to stating facts.

We know the core mechanic of LBP is 2d platforming going from A to B via physics based obstacles.

We know the core mechanics of BK are vehicles, vehicle construction, collectables and a bit of 3d platforming, with an online competitive component.

Seems easy enough to work out which you will prefer, assuming both are of a certain quality.

Sounds great! Quite excited about this now :)

blig,

Read carefully to what I'm about to say because it sorts out your problem.

Ready?

All you need to do is take BK:N&B as a spin-off title.

That's it!

Now we don't have to worry that it's not like the old ones. Just like Paper Mario or Mario Kart etc.

It doesn't even have a number in the title so that should make it even easier for your little brain to try this technique.


Personally I think this looks fucking great regardless of what the previous one's were like.

"BK:N&B and LBP are different enough not to warrant comparison, but the general opinion here is that BK:N&B will be better? "

No, the general assumption is that comparing the two is stupid as they are completely different games.

Any concrete plans to release this on PC?

I was wondering what everyone was going on about with these PS3 fanboi comments, when I realized...it must be that git I clicked the 'ignore poster' link for a couple weeks back. Not seeing his comments = pure bliss.

I'm very excited to play the original game again on XBLA, and this one looks to be shaping up nicely as well.

Can't wait for this one, looks and sounds pretty darned cool.
And who in the hell is this blig_merg cunt? Another one for my ignore list.

Not wishing to sully this coments thread with links to clearly inferior sites but it is suggested here that Microsoft may be including a voucher for the XBLA release of Banjo-Kazooie with any pre-orders. Here's hoping the same is considered for the European release!

This game is looking inspired and I cannot wait to try out the demo to see if Rare have cracked an exciting new concept.

As someone starting to keep a close eye on the PS3/360 situation with regard to purchasing one in the New Year, this is now right at the top of the 'monitor closely' pile. I need something to get me past the cost/reliability issues with the 360, this could help considerably

(BTW I mean cost once the price of a wireless adaptor/charger for the controllers/f**king Live subscription has been included)

@ Ignatius Cheese

Your information is correct! With a pre-order of B&K you get the arcade game for free and get to play it a week or two earlier than everyone else.

Not only that, but B&K is coming out for a discounted price. Same as they should do with LBP, but won't. :p

Sounds fucking wicked.

who in the hell is this blig_merg cunt? Another one for my ignore list.

+1

I need something to get me past the cost/reliability issues with the 360, this could help considerably
(BTW I mean cost once the price of a wireless adaptor/charger for the controllers/f**king Live subscription has been included)

Well, reliability seems to be better these days from what I've heard. Don't factor that into the equation.

Cost... Well, when you add up the hidden costs, the 360 can still cost almost as much as a PS3.
Keep in mind that should you consider a HDD upgrade in the future, the PS3 will accept standard ones, whereas the 360 won't (unless you hack one into the thing, but MS seems to know how to find out when people have been naughty apparently).

After reading this preview I am starting to warm to N&B it sounds fun, cheers Tom. I'm sure once I play the original on Live (I know I'll get that) this will (probably) become a purchase.

I'm sure there will be a demo anyway if there are doubts .

For all the Rare has been shit since they got bought by MS" twits . . .
Did you actually PLAY Viva Pinata or Kameo?

I'm still stunned nobody ever mentions Kameo. That game was stunnungly good, and for a launch game its even more impressive. Mixing a "find the keys" mario64-esque game with a damn hard combat game blew me away.

(p.s. -- for the "lol, Kameo fighting wuz teh eazy!!!" tards . . . play thru the leaderboard-ranked fighting minigames at the end. Easy to fight? yes. Easy to get a good score? No. Simple to get into, hard to master . . . . THAT's good game development)

"Cost... Well, when you add up the hidden costs, the 360 can still cost almost as much as a PS3. "

Hang on, the 60gb 360 + all he wanted costs about 310-315 euros (if you pay full price which you shouldn't, he could probably do it for 290-280 on the net) and the 40gb ps3 costs about 405 on play. How is that almost as much? Even when you would throw in bigger HDD's (that you don't need). 90-95 euros (or more) is almost as much?

Absolutely can't wait!!

busboy I friggin loved Kameo, although I will admit I gave up quite near the end because I got royally stuck.
I thought that graphically, for a release game, it was sexy as fook.

Looks pretty cool..... Played the old Banjos and was a little suprised when I heard about the change of direction. I think if this delivers though it'll be great. Lets hope eh???? Cant quite see why people think its like LBP though, seems to be a totally different beast if you ask me. Incidentally who would have a name like Botty4Hyre?

@Ronuds
"Not only that, but B&K is coming out for a discounted price. Same as they should do with LBP, but won't. :p"

Where is the discounted price? All the big names have it for £45 or £50 RRP and sell for £38->£40. In fact my LBP pre-order is a quid cheaper than my B&K pre-order.

Kameo - A great looking game for it's time. Very technically accomplished, and a good comparison for this as it shows how far Rare have come in getting the most from the hardware artistically. Kameo suffered a little like PD:Zero in over use of the shiney texture. It wasn't a great game though for me - lacked precision in the controls and had more than it's fair share of frustrating bits. I was glad when it was all over to be honest.

@blig_merk

LBP is a pretty 2d platformer, end of story. Yawn, basically. BK is actually trying something new and innovative. The franchise is nothing to do with it, the GAMEPLAY is what makes it an exciting prosepct. Remember that from pre-PS3 Sony? Yes, they used to makes games with GAMEPLAY back then, not just pretty slideshows/tech demos.


"whole media experience"

Whole bullshit PR experience is more accurate.

"BK is about building lego style cars and thats about it."

This guy is fucking hilarious! This is why I keep a couple off ignore, watching them throw their toys out of the pram is comedy gold. Especially if they do some massive self owning like the quote above.

Good going genius, comparing it to one of the most successful things ever made.

Seriously though, who are you? headbog? swam? It's oke to say, we won't hurt you.

@ Xerx3s

I reckon it's Apologie. I think he went off and got lessons in English, but his bad spelling occasionally shines through (probably tied in with a frothing at the mouth), revealing his true identity.

This game looks awesome. As does Little Big Planet. As does Alan Wake. As does WipEout HD. As does Red Alert 3. And all those games have about as much in common with each other as the first two do.

"You seem to forget that FUN is at the core of gameplay, and that is what Sony have in SPADES. "

Bwa-ha-aha-ahha-ahhhaaaaaaaa!

You talk absolute and complete bollocks. It's funny. Do some more.

@bioreit

blig is most definitely swam, headbog and banfoi. He keeps getting ignored so has to switch accounts periodically. Take a look at account creation dates and posting dates, on a couple of them there is a clear cutoff from one account to another.

Pretty sure he's not Apologie though. Apolol has been a bit daft on occasion (havent we all), but he's nowhere near as outright offensive or ignorant as blig-bog-swam-boi.

@blig

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Dont try to be a smartarse, you can't pull it off.

My my, this is really quite hilarious. Blig.... do you have a real beef with MS ? I dont see why, they are putting out some great stuff and Ive had shit loads of fun with the old Box and 360. I cant see what you're basing your opinion of ' MS ripping the fun out of gaming' on.

Since when did Sony hold a crown for being more fun than MS - incidentally I hv a PS3 as well and do like it. Im looking fwd to Little Big PLanet even though it may be a disappointment (just as any game could be) but your comments seem a little narrow and unsturdy sir, think out your argument before making such statements .

Of course you could well just be bored and enjoy winding people up. If thats the case then perhaps you might want to do it with some wit.

"I utterly hate MS"

Yes, that has been obvious since your first post on these forums.


"they corrupted the gaming industry by bringing in substandard hardware"

It may not have been the most reliable, but it is now, and it's more fit for purpose (i.e. far better for gaming) than the PS3 hardware.


"and are buying out the industry just like they did with Windows "

Sony are doing far more harm to the games industry than MS could ever do.

They force an underpowered, overcomplicated piece of kit on the market, and developers have to waste vast amounts of time getting code to run at the same standard (usually not achieved) as on the 360.

That time could be far better spent on 360 development, actually producing better gameplay mechanics rather than having to circumvent all the PS3's many hardware shortcomings.

@ Blig
Oh I see - couldnt it be argued that Sony did the same thing back at the dawn of the 32 bit era when Sega and Nintendo made games that were 'fun'? I agree The Box is not to the manufactured level that PS3 is but come on thats not the factor here.

Am I to assume that youre a Mac user too? Me too as thats what my work involves and I dont enjoy using Windows but really you shouldnt berate MS so heavily. Theyre here to stay so get used to it. Plus the 360 has some great stuff, surely if you were a gamer you wouldnt be so territorial about hardware and play games that appealed for their own merits as opposed to what system they run on.

Why are you reading a thread for a MS game when you hate the platform so much? do you have a 360?? if not then surely there must be far more interesting threads that would suit you??? Why have a go at the users? if you hate the company so much write to Bill Gates.

@ blig

I have had huge issues with Sony over the past few years, not least because of the whole rootkit debacle, including their attitude when they got caught, which was along the lines of "Most people don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should people get upset?" Most folk don't know the biological exactitude of syphilis, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't worry about it.

Add to that their exploding batteries, their PS2 Disc Read Error attitude ('No, we don't agree there's a problem with it, but to shut you up, we'll fix the things for free and give you $25 off a game. But only in North America. And only until 2005.') and whole ton of arrogance and ridiculous posturing, as well as their absolutely appalling joysticks on the Sony Ericsson phones and Sony has also done an awful lot to annoy people.

But do I hate them? Hell no. That's just stupid. As much as the SE joysticks tick me off, I still buy a new one every time, because I love 'em. Same thing with the 360 - it may die every now and again, but that inconvenience is worth it for the amount of gaming fun the console has provided.

Hate the things that are rubbish, hate the individual incidents, but don't hate an entire company comprising of thousands of people and dozens of divisions because of some petty insecurities about your chosen console, or some kind of bandwagon-jumping, cool-to-hate-Microsoft desire to fit in.

And if you're going to hate one company for doing 'horrible' things to other people, hate ALL companies that also do similar things. Otherwise, you're just a fanboy who can't admit what he is.

"I utterly hate MS, they corrupted the gaming industry by bringing in substandard hardware, and are buying out the industry just like they did with Windows. "

Sony have bought far more game studios than MS you fucking twat.

I remember quite clearly when the gaming industry went to shit - when people who bought a PS1 started being loyal to a corporation.

Through all my years in gaming, people bought an Atari VCS and then maybe a Spectrum 48k and then maybe an Amiga 500 and a Megadrive, then maybe a Playstation. People looked at each new system at it's release or after and decided whether it was worth buying.

...then you 'fanboys' happened. You'd already decided you were going to buy the next Sony console when it was still in Ken's wet dream. WTF.

I don't hate Sony, I hated having conversations with pricks that justified spending £600 on a PS3 launch bundle simply because "hey, it's a PS, It's gonna be great" Well it is NOW thanks to you fucking drones buying something that wasn't worth the money to any normal people.

I can't wait for the PS4 when you cocks do the same thing. I'm wondering just how expensive, how few games, and how lied to you have to be before you just buy the reasonable option. Maybe the PS4 will be the reasonable option next gen, but that doesn't matter to you does it?

Consoles of the past couldn't get away with producing systems that the market didn't like as people would just buy the better alternative.

"Oh the old 'You have to be somone else because your opinion is the same' routine.

That automatically makes everyone else you. "

Not really, I seriously doubt that there are a lot of humans with such a blinkered attitude such as yours. In fact, I think it is safe to assume that you are one of those incarnations.

It's funny though, you try to twist things which are very obvious (you're trying, I'll give you that). I often have discussions with people such as JMM and the likes and there is always a mutual respect for things. Not so with the likes such as you who think that they are some sort of defender of a fantasy cause and so devoured by spite and hate. The likes of you are so pathetic that I would almost pity you. I say almost because it's extremely entertaining to watch your kind post so much crap.

"I utterly hate MS, they corrupted the gaming industry by bringing in substandard hardware, and are buying out the industry just like they did with Windows. "

I mean stuff like this. I couldn't make this up even if I wanted to! Hating a company! Seriously? That's about the saddest thing I have seen on the internet.

They corrupted the gaming industry? You mean the company that has been making games longer than most (and that includes sony)? The company that has so many brilliant games on it's name?

It must really get on your nerves that the "substandard hardware" is beating sony's "awesome hardware" time and time again. As for buying out the industry, I can name some other companies that used massive amounts of cash to get into the industry. Clearly you are so blinkered that you can't even do business 101.

Please post more!

@ DrDamn

"Where is the discounted price? All the big names have it for £45 or £50 RRP and sell for £38->£40. In fact my LBP pre-order is a quid cheaper than my B&K pre-order."

Well, this is for the US, so I'm not sure if Europe will get the same deal. $20 off normal US price, though, plus the XBLA game for free.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/08/19/...

i don't hate any companies because i have more interest in things that immediately affect me rather than this shit

the best thing i did was buy all the consoles, giving me access to all the exclusives and meaning that i can judge a console by its merits and faults. well when i say "the best thing i did", one console cost me a lot and hasn't returned my investment at all

for example, the ps3 is the lowest on my list because I have only two games that i play on it - Ratchet and MGS4.

the wii is second because it has more games that i play on it, e.g. Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Okami (which I also bought on the PS2, everyone should play it!)

The xbox is the best in my opinion purely because it has an incredible library of games, and the inroduction of achievement points was, for me, a great idea. I finished Oblivion last night, getting the full 1250 points, too me fucking hours and i loved every second of it. The trophy system on the ps3 hasn't impressed me at all. the xbox and rock band cost roughly the same price as a ps3 and its repaid me fully