Author "regrets" Mass Effect nudity accusations

By Robert Purchese Published 28 January, 2008

Fox News argument settled.

Author Cooper Lawrence has apologised for publicly attacking the EA over the sexual content in Xbox 360 title Mass Effect.

She admitted jumping to conclusions when she slammed the game on Fox News. Having now seen the offending content, Lawrence admits it's no worse than the kind of sauciness you'd see on TV.

"I recognise that I misspoke," Lawrence told the New York Times. "I really regret saying that, and now that I've seen the game and seen the sex scenes it's kind of a joke.

"Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it's like pornography. But it's not like pornography. I've seen episodes of Lost that are more sexually explicit," she confessed.

However, Fox News is refusing to budge - sticking to its claim EA was invited onto the channel to tell its side of the story.

Jeff Brown of EA previously wrote an open letter to the news channel to refute an ignorant stance made from misinformation.

Ray Muzyka, boss of developer BioWare, added: "We're hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we're just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth."

Cooper Lawrence originally accused the role-playing game of portraying female characters as sexual objects in a storyline that has the male lead "deciding how many women he wants to be with".

Lawrence later laughed and said "No" when asked if she had actually played Mass Effect.

Subsequently angry fans of the game found her book The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever on Amazon and decided to apply the same logic, resulting in its user rating plummeting from hundreds of negative reviews.

By Friday it had 472 reviews, 412 of which were one star. Most had not read the book.

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About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds.

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  • the_dudefather #1 4 years ago

    hooray for E-Justice!

  • KingOfSpain #2 4 years ago

    Gamers fight back!!

  • Britesparc Verified Creative, ITV #3 4 years ago

    Well, at least she's had the good grace to apologise for being an arsewipe. I wonder if the potential revenue damage the Amazon reviews were doing helped sway her towards the light?

    See kids: direct action works.

  • Tzetrik #4 4 years ago

    Made me very angry when she claimed women were being portrayed as objects. ME has some of the most believable game characters ever.

  • bivith #5 4 years ago

    IN YOUR FACE!

  • KingOfSpain #6 4 years ago

    What EG isn't telling anyone is...

    You still would!!

  • Gaol #7 4 years ago

    Fairplay to EA/Bioware for standing up to them in such a dignified fashion.

  • NickNack #8 4 years ago

    If you get very angry over video games, or what people say about them then you're more retarded than she is.

  • Nath4n #9 4 years ago

    Here's the ridiculous Fox News segment:

    [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L13Ct40cFIU&feature=rel ated
    ]http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=L13Ct40cF...[/link]

    Here's EA's actually pretty impressive response:

    [link url=http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls -fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies
    ]http://ko taku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-ou...[/link]

    And finally here is her book on amazon - most of the negative comments have actually been deleted by now:

    http://ww w.amazon.com/gp/product/1599211...

  • Diomedes117 #10 4 years ago

    Lets ALL write reviews of her book!!!

  • lennon #11 4 years ago

    Cooper Lawrence originally accused the role-playing game of portraying female characters as sexual objects in a storyline that has the male lead "deciding how many women he wants to be with".

    Maybe ive forgotten but isnt the lead characters sex determined by the player?

  • ParmaViolet #12 4 years ago

    Ok, so she's apologised - but, it still doesn't excuse the fact that she went out on National television and got on a high-horse about something that she admits knowing nothing about or even bothering to research - asking 'someone what they've heard' is not enough of a basis to even have a private conversation, let alone preach to a nation. Seriously, I'm still not satisfied - Mass Effect is the work of art that Bioware hoped it'd be and I am truly glad that they put all that effort into it, it's an amazing game and I see it as proof positive that games can be fun, interesting, dramatic, challenging and mature - it's time for Fox to make a public apology now....if they don't, sue them.

    :-)

  • mechamonkey #13 4 years ago

    JUSTICE!

  • DutchDemons #14 4 years ago

    i find it very funny and impressive that people went to amazon and trashed her book:-)

  • Carlo #15 4 years ago

    Lets ALL write reviews of her CHIN!!!

  • Riggers #16 4 years ago

    "Cooper Lawrence originally accused the role-playing game of portraying female characters as sexual objects in a storyline that has the male lead "deciding how many women he wants to be with".

    Maybe ive forgotten but isnt the lead characters sex determined by the player?"

    Yes, something that the guy pointed out in the Fox segment, before being shouted down...

    I saw another column before the Fox segment, where some nutty neo-con was saying you could sodomise and rape in Mass Effect. Sadly, it also appears to have been taken down. I think they've realised that they've been had...

  • Kiigan #17 4 years ago

    Nah she had the grace to apologise, so enough of the Amazon reviews I think.

    No doubt this sort of thing happens with TV pundits and talking heads more than we realise, with subjects of far greater import than videogames!

  • chicknstu #18 4 years ago

    Fair play

  • ParmaViolet #19 4 years ago

    Actually, it would appear that most of the gamers' reviews of her book have been deleted, but there are still a lot of people that actually bought it, read it and then awarded it a one star review.....so, she's obviously a crap writer and know's about as much about her supposed specialist subject than she does about Mass Effect.

    I guess it's easy to get someone to jump on a bandwagon - provided it's on TV and you're desperate to shift those 1000's of books that are rotting in a warehouse somewhere...

    :-)

  • Cheapshot #20 4 years ago

    You don't see this often, fair play.

  • Saladin #21 4 years ago

    VIRTUAL ORGASMIC RAPE! BAN THIS SICK FILTH!

  • systems #22 4 years ago

    Everyone loves a happy ending. But did she back down because she realised she was wrong (unlikely - she admits to never playing it), or was it because her book rankings dropped to nothing?

    It's also funny that she moans about woman being looked at as sex objects, and then she puts a full-figure photo of herself on the book cover to show how slim and sexy she is.

  • JonFE #23 4 years ago

    Since the false accusations took place on Fox News, shouldn't this retreat also take place there, for equal exposure?

  • kangarootoo #24 4 years ago

    I think anyone who can admit it when they are wrong about something deserves some respect. Jack Thompson for instance would have utterly avoided the issue and attempted to steer the discussion along another avenue.

    Ms Lawrence has basically said "I was misinformed, and said some stupid things as a result", which counts for a lot in my book. This doesn't make me a fan of her or her writing, but I'm happy to see this draw to a close and I wouldn't condone continued attacks on her via Amazon reviews.


    "Everyone loves a happy ending. But did she back down because she realised she was wrong (unlikely - she admits to never playing it), or was it because her book rankings dropped to nothing?"

    I think it is fair to assume that the book reviews on Amazon mean very little to anyone as anything other than a show of public feeling. it is quite clear to everyone they were not actual reviews of her book, which was exactly the point.

    And I'm not sure how her admitting to never playing the game means it is unlikely she realised she was wrong. Surely her apology (and the detail of the quotation) means exactly that she did realise that?

  • Biggles #25 4 years ago

    Congrats to Miss Cooper for having the decency to apologise. Apart from anything else, it's making Fox look even worse for refusing to back down and give a formal apology. It is all a bit of a joke at the end of the day though.

  • kangarootoo #26 4 years ago

    @JonFE

    Fox are hardly going to give screen time to such things. Its not really her call to make.

  • Muddtallica #27 4 years ago

    God, I've only just caught up with this story...what a shower of ass. It's something that the woman had the gumption to put her hands up and say she was wrong (even if it was under some public duress), but really it should be Fox who are doing the apologies. So they claim EA were invited onto the show to have their say, and declined? That gives you carte blanche to tell outright lies then, does it? Not to mention the fact that the games expert they did have on the show was shouted down and largely ignored...absolute farce.

  • jonsaan #28 4 years ago

    Hahaha. lol at the Amazon bit. Serves her right.

  • jachap #29 4 years ago

    The Amazon bit made me spit on my monitor. With happiness!

    The comments themselves aren't exactly comic gold but I do like this one:

    "This book is full of disgusting scat porn it should be banned (so I've heard)."

    Umm. Jazz.
    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 12:52

  • JonFE #30 4 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    Sad but true...

  • t8yman #31 4 years ago

    she doesnt deserve respect, nor did it take any "balls" to apologise. she knows how to sell books, and this thing has probably sold more books than a newspaper advert ever could. she is only apologising to save face, and appear like she has "the balls to apologise"

    she is a rented talking head, and this debacle could only hurt her saleability if she didnt u-turn.

  • Avaloner #32 4 years ago

    Good for her. At least she had the balls to admit making a mistake.

  • mrchu #33 4 years ago

    I'm so gutted that you had to buy the book to review it...shame the same rules aren't applied to videogames, with these ill-educated bandwagon-riding fools that make sweeping remarks about an entertainment form they don't understand.

  • agparrot #34 4 years ago

    From Cooper Lawrences Amazon book description:

    No matter how hard you try, no matter how much you achieve, your life remains totally out of balance. Achievements should not be the total measure of how a woman feels about herself.

    Apart from the 'complete one romantic storyline in Mass Effect' Achievement, obviously.

  • Gulag #35 4 years ago

    Hmm.

    While it's all well and good that this pundit has had the sense to climb down from her ill-advised comments, I think the story that everyone is missing is that Fox themselves were responsible for the content and tone of this segment, and thus far have not been made to suffer for their reckless scare-mongering and manipulation of public opinion.

    The shows producers & studio panel are as guilty of mis-representation as this woman. She has had the consequences of fabricating lies from whole cloth forcibly illustrated, it's about time the other participants in this pantomime were given the same treatment. Especially the anchor who lamented the fact that parents might actually have to start monitoring what their kids were doing. Ohh, the humanity!
    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 13:13

  • Vin #36 4 years ago

    "This book is full of disgusting scat porn it should be banned (so I've heard)."

    lolz. Brilliant.

  • Quine #37 4 years ago

    This is the Fox News that couldn't call themselves a news organisation in the EU due to the fact-free nature of much of their output.

    I fear it's asking too much for a bit more rigour and insight into games coverage from them, Sky, the BBC and newspapers- a lot of the badly researched fluff they come up with is just insulting sterotyping.

  • penhalion #38 4 years ago

    She only apologised because its now directly affecting her livelhood instead of her insipid comments affecting someone elses!

    Shoe..meet other foot!

  • nickthegun #39 4 years ago

    Im sure accusations of nudity and pornography in a field with this kind of demographic really hurt its sales.

  • Lemming81 #40 4 years ago

    Ok this is where we let her off the hook now guys. Fair is fair. Our chance to be the bigger person etc...

  • space_ace #41 4 years ago

    amazing how she missed 7 sins

  • thepiedpiper #42 4 years ago

    ah bless, Fox News are scum. They bloody tricked her into it!!! Bill O'reilly is the worst culprit.

  • moggsy #43 4 years ago

    Great stealth marketing all this though. EA must have taken a leaf out of Rockstar's book.

  • Riggers #44 4 years ago

    I like the fact Fox are kind of the US' equivalent of Brass Eye, but without even realising it...

  • Climhazzard #45 4 years ago

    Very happy to see this happen, his was one of my favourite games of last year and doesnt deserve to be slated like this one bit, and neither do Bioware.
    Did she not realise that you could be a woman on this game?????? What a retard.

  • Weezer #46 4 years ago

    Is 'misspoke' actually a real word?

  • mcwildcard #47 4 years ago

    Silly bitch.

  • espy #48 4 years ago

    You know, the one really scary thought I always have when main stream media people spread false or misrepresenting rubbish about games, a topic we are all intimately familiar with but many other people aren't: how often do they do the same when dealing with topics we no nothing about? If their research is so terrible or even non-existent when it comes to games, how can we assume it would be any better in other areas?

  • Biggles #49 4 years ago

    espy, very true, almost every time I've ever read about something in the news with which I'm personally familiar (rather than having merely read about elsewhere), there are glaring inaccuracies, exagerations and blatant falsehoods.

  • tinners #50 4 years ago

    WHERE IS THE FOX APOLOGY?????? shes just one person in a band of dellusional idiots.

  • systems #51 4 years ago

    I didn't even realise I was in the "nudity" bit of Mass Effect until it was all over. Much like real life.

    @kangarootoo: Good point. I accept that she can know she's wrong without playing the game.

  • JJrabbit #52 4 years ago

    I don't understand some of the comments here about thinking she's got "balls" to apologise. Had it not affected her book sales, she would've stuck to her story. Probably pushed by the publisher to do it. Teaches her to pretend to be smart.

  • marilena #53 4 years ago

    It's nice that she apologized, but - and this is in spite of my tendency to forgive hot women more easily than other people - I still can't forgive her appalling performance on the show. Her smug grin alone should have her banned from TV forever.

  • sharpfish #54 4 years ago

    Fucking serves the stupid ignorant bitch right. too many bitches sticking their noses in to look clever without actually knowing the subject. I hope her career dies and she ends up as a whore on the streets.

  • Evolution #55 4 years ago

    Good thing she hasn't had a chance to not play then comment on The Witcher...

  • sharpfish #56 4 years ago

    Oh and I just saw her ugly mug on amazon. She ain't no 'hot lady' as someone posted above, she's a posing horse faced trollop who needs to get on those street corners and meet her destiny asap.

    And i've not played Mass Effect nor read her book but I know i'm right.

  • Azazel #57 4 years ago


    Jones: So, Mr. Simpson: you admit you grabbed her can. What do you have to say in your defense?
    [Cut to a paused shot of Homer drooling.]

    Jones: Mr. Simpson, your silence will only incriminate you further.
    [The paused shot of Homer grows larger, indicating that he is moving closer.]

    Jones: No, Mr. Simpson, don't take your anger out on me. Get back! Get back! Mist...Mr. Simpson...NOOOOO!
    Announcer: [quickly] Dramatization. May not have happened.

  • JonFE #58 4 years ago

    "sharpfish"? More like "harshfish" if you ask me...
    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 14:46

  • zoidberg #59 4 years ago

    I am making an amazon reviewer account right now... Book review: here I come!

  • tripitaka #60 4 years ago

    Still quite a few one star reviews even after the Mass Effect related reviews were deleted.

    Obviously her book is in fact a bit poo.

  • pbz #61 4 years ago

    Its amazing how ignorant and bias American media is, games are demonised almost on a daily basis now (manhunt anyone?) and blamed for murders, antisocial behaviour, obesity...basically any negative aspect of our lives, this is just another example of how media hype is attacking games for no real reason.

    I'm shocked that she made such outlandish claims without actually doing the research or even playing the game itself. I’m sure if I was on TV kicking up a stink about the latest movie, making all kinds of fabrications and then admitting I had not even seen it I be hit by court cases from all angles – EA should definitely sue Fox if they don’t make a public apology.

    The only reason Miss Lawrence did make a public apology is because neither her or Fox would have foreseen such a fierce and truthful backlash from both the games creators and its army of loyal fans...they probably thought we would all be too busy sacrificing virgins and worshiping Satan!

    ..It’s also interesting that Fox won’t back down but are inviting EA to appear on TV to defend themselves – proof that they don’t care about the slander they spread but care only about the ratings and how many more people they can spew their mindless propaganda to.

    It sickens me that even one person would deny them self the pleasure of playing one of the best pieces of interactive media (dare I call it a game) I’ve ever played just based on this idiots misinformed opinion.


    \ me gets off high horse

  • mikeawmids #62 4 years ago

    I imagine the only reason she's tried to make amends for her ignorance is the hostile backlash against her published works. Ha.

  • Wyrm #63 4 years ago

    '"I recognise that I misspoke," Lawrence told the New York Times. "I really regret saying that, and now that I've seen the game and seen the sex scenes it's kind of a joke.'

    So she hadn't even seen what she was complaining about? She's admitting she's a terrible journalist, she should be fired.

  • Tzetrik #64 4 years ago

    If the game was anything like as saucy as she claimed I would have 100%'d it by now. Shame.

  • sharpfish #65 4 years ago

    Yes I was harsh, noone would believe i'm actually a nice person in real life but this bitch represents other bitches that i'm pissed off with right now, and people who set out to bad mouth others based on their own assumptions (innacurate ones usually) so i'm letting off steam with this loose labia'd she-male to get me some therapy.

  • djed #66 4 years ago

    Seppuku would convey her apology in the only meaningful and sincere way.

    Bury this person of the female persuasion along with rupert murdoch in a lead coffin, please.

  • kangarootoo #67 4 years ago

    "Had it not affected her book sales, she would've stuck to her story"

    Do we actually know it affected sales of her book? I mean, does anyone on the planet except us even know?


    @sharpfish
    "Fucking serves the stupid ignorant bitch right. too many bitches sticking their noses in to look clever without actually knowing the subject. I hope her career dies and she ends up as a whore on the streets."

    "she's a posing horse faced trollop who needs to get on those street corners and meet her destiny asap"

    You have issues. You are also a great post child for her suggestion that gamers are all woman hating nutters.


    @Wyrm
    She isn't a journalist, she is an author. Who would fire her?

  • kangarootoo #68 4 years ago

    "Yes I was harsh, noone would believe i'm actually a nice person in real life"

    This IS real life. Wtf are you on about? Its not like use a different brain when you speak on the internet.

    I think what you actually mean is that in "real life" you don't always say what is in your head, 'cos people would be alarmed by it. Real life.... tss

  • scott_morris13 #69 4 years ago

    stupid bitch should read before she opens her fat mouth.

  • sneetch #70 4 years ago

    "'"I recognise that I misspoke," Lawrence told the New York Times. "I really regret saying that, and now that I've seen the game and seen the sex scenes it's kind of a joke.'

    So she hadn't even seen what she was complaining about? She's admitting she's a terrible journalist, she should be fired.
    ignore poster"

    This whole spate of ignorant furor over Mass Effect has led to a lot of confusion for me personally; I can't believe I'm actually on EAs side... on anything. ;)

    Based on her comments and the article here she could be sued (how successfully I couldn't say) for slander. Regardless of the outcome having EA level its massive legal guns at anyone would be guaranteed to wipe the smirk off their face and possibly require brown trousers.

    That said, I'm not familiar with US law, maybe they have a constitutional amendment that allows you to make comments about something you're completely ignorant of with impunity, the "Hey! Ma! I'm on TV!" amendment.

    slander (plural slanders)

    1. a false, malicious statement (spoken or published), especially one which is injurious to a person's reputation; the making of such a statement

    As for sharpfish; if this is indicative of your attitude towards women then you have serious problems. Seek help. If this is just you trolling then you have serious problems. Seek help.

    Edit: didn't quote tags use to work?
    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 17:41

  • Xensor #71 4 years ago

    Her apology is all well and good but...

    She apologised on the New York Times. I would reckon the millions of dumb fucks who sit slack-jawed in front of Faux News wouldn't have a clue about anything even slightly serious in print - if it aint in the National Enquirer or on Faux News it don't exist! Ultimately Faux News will walk away looking like the moral champion to a country brimming with idiots.

  • busboy33 #72 4 years ago

    @pbx:

    "Its amazing how ignorant and bias American media is."

    Ah, I see you aren't familiar with Fox. Welcome to journalism in the States. Remember . . . "facts are for sissies".
    Want to cry even harder? They're the #1 rated "news" channel in the country, by far.

  • smelly #73 4 years ago

    Some of the peoples responses on this thread make me feel that maybe the people who diss gaming as being bad for the youth are perhaps correct.

    As a lot of you seem to be illiterate, aggressive, immature, offensive little friendless shits.

    Maybe the people that say gaming is bad for you have a point?

  • hjarg #74 4 years ago

    Nah, smelly, aint the games. It's basically the John Gabriel's Greater Internet fuckwad theory:

    [link url=http://w ww.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
    ]http://ww w.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/0...[/link]

    Blame the internets! More of an anonymity and thinking it's funny to spout crap. The only bad thing is that they don't get that they get dragged down to the level of Fox and Cooper Lawrence. Plus, giving the credibility to the claims games make people violent.

  • the_sas_man #75 4 years ago

    i'd slap her tits

  • JJrabbit #76 4 years ago

    @Kangarootoo
    "Do we actually know it affected sales of her book? I mean, does anyone on the planet except us even know? "

    You don't have to be a marketing expert to figure out that this is hurting her image. True, it's an assumption that her book sales have been affected, but it's not a nigh on impossible scenario, is it? Why do you think EA took issue with this? Do we know that it affected the sales of their games? I mean, does anyone on the planet except us even know?
    Edited by 2 at 28/01/08 @ 22:01

  • Muddtallica #77 4 years ago

    JJrabbit - your comparison is flawed: again, I'm being presumptious, but I'm going to assume that the original broadcast reached and put off a lot more potential Mass Effect buyers amongst the general, Fox news-watching populace of the US than the resulting backlash reached and put off potential buyers of "The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever" amongst the internet gaming discussion community.

    (Awkwardly constructed sentence, I know, but I think you get what I'm saying.)

  • subtlesnake #78 4 years ago

    I think the hostility directed towards Cooper Lawrence is a bit excessive. She was brought in as a specialist on child/teen psychology, not on video games, and her comments were about the general effects of exposure to sexual material – reference to Mass Effect was only implicit, except for where she made the (not implausible) assumption that the main character was male.

    So her commentary was such: (assuming) Mass Effect contains 'pornography', it could have detrimental effects, because underage gamers will experience the objectionable content, irrespective of the game's rating. That was all she was arguing, and nowhere does she make any specific claims about Mass Effect, aside from the one comment about the male protagonist.

    Now obviously she should have done more research before appearing on the program, but at the same time it was the responsibility of the program to ensure that the general information she was given, detailing the context of her question, was accurate. She was never called in as an expert on video games, and her only crime was (foolishly) to take Fox's word at face value when answering the question posed.

    If Fox had done their job, then she would have been able to provide a fair commentary. If that were the case would people still be crucifying her for not doing enough research before appearing on the program? Because that's all this comes down to.
    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 22:38

  • smelly #79 4 years ago

    @Appologie:

    I think you'll find i've stated numerous times i thought mario galaxy was good but not great as everyone made out (exactly the same as my thoughts on halo 3 in fact).

    But congratulations on taking things well of topic!

    I'd give you a 7/10 on your trolling abilities.


    Edited by 1 at 28/01/08 @ 23:37

  • JJrabbit #80 4 years ago

    @Muddtallica:
    You make a good point, and I agree my argument is flawed in that sense, which I didn't see until you pointed it out. However, I still stick to my original belief that the only reason she decided to apologise was due to this backlash. I have no evidence but, as I say, you don't have to be a business expert to see that if the dust was settled, it would be highly unlikely that would she have come back out and apologised after playing the game. I find it difficult to believe that she truly meant it. I mean, she went on Fox News in the first place, and so she doesn't strike me to be one to correct herself of her own accord. Maybe that's the cynic in me. And, apologies Kangarootoo, I guess my argument didn't stand. But I'm right dammit :p

  • Daikon #81 4 years ago

    *coughs*

    Allow me to quote what's written on the front of the game as a rating (NTSC-J Asia version):

    M18 - Sexual Scenes

    Sure, you can't control what stupid ignorant critics say about your game, I do wonder why Bioware / Microsoft didn't have a problem with the game being described as such when the bloody cover went to the printers'...

  • kangarootoo #82 4 years ago

    @JJrabbit

    I've no doubt her image has been affected, but I'm not sure that her readership is built on Amazon reviews. Her nonsense speak has been well publicised on gaming websites, but again her readership probably don't such things.

    EA objected to what she said because it was on a national news program and is likely to affect their sales. The backlash against Ms Lawrence was in rather more discreet circles (Amazon review text is hardly a front page delivery system). I also get the feeling that the sort of person that buys the type of book she is selling is less likely to be swayed by reviews than they are by their own desire to "get better" (self help books prey on the blind optimism of the buyer imo).

    Hey, just read your later post. Don't apologise dude. Apologies are for when you call someone a twat, and you have been perfectly polite. Don't apologise for disgreeing with me on something, that is what discussions are all about (and I'd much rather have a polite debate than just read pages of frustrated pre-teens talking about how "she would get it";).

  • kangarootoo #83 4 years ago

    @Daikon

    That is probably a standard rating description. The scenes in question met the criteria for the rating, so the message had to go on the box. Not really something EA could argue with.

  • JJrabbit #84 4 years ago

    "and I'd much rather have a polite debate than just read pages of frustrated pre-teens talking about how "she would get it";)."

    Any post with Jade Raymond comes to mind. But she would. :D

    I'm still hoping EA come out and publicise this even more, not necessarily for the game itself, but for the negative image of Fox. Although, I'm not sure how much difference it's going to make to such a huge corporation and it's "loyal fanbase".

  • vadimur #85 4 years ago

    Lol...just checked amazon abt her book. There are reviews every hr giving it 1 star.

  • sneetch #86 4 years ago

    @Smelly
    "Some of the peoples responses on this thread make me feel that maybe the people who diss gaming as being bad for the youth are perhaps correct.

    As a lot of you seem to be illiterate, aggressive, immature, offensive little friendless shits.

    Maybe the people that say gaming is bad for you have a point?"

    I'm still amazed how apparently reasonable people are seemingly incapable of realising that "some" is not the same as "all". These kind of generalisations are always wrong (yeah, I'm aware of the irony there :) ).

    They would only have a point if there was a direct causal link between gaming and, well, let's call it assholeism. I dare say that the, relatively few, assholes in this and other threads would still be assholes even if they had never played a game in their lives; just because some people choose to blame games for social problems doesn't mean they're actually at fault, they're just a convenient scapegoat, it's not like they only. Lord knows, if it wasn't for games and other bogeymen then people might have to actually take responsibility for the messes that surround us.

    After all, these people don't only game, they also work, go to school, eat, drink, shit, exercise, don't exercise, drive and so on. Perhaps it's not gaming, maybe eating is what makes them act like dicks? Maybe they should blame and ban food. All food. Or maybe some people are just assholes for many and varied reasons. Lets not forget John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory, it's as true now as it was then: http://ww w.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/0...

    (Also, I must say I see relatively few "illiterate, aggressive, immature, offensive little friendless shits" in this thread, just two or three repeat posters (YMMV of course). Please don't tar others with the same brush).

    Edit: ah, hjarg has already posted the JGGIFT above, didn't notice that :)

    Edit: broken link.
    Edited by 2 at 29/01/08 @ 12:07