Xbox 360: Lots And Lots Of Questions Answered

By Tom Bramwell Published 1 September, 2005

Free Live for 30 days, RGB costs extra...

We're reminded of a scene from Grosse Pointe Blank. Martin and Grocer are sitting in a café having a polite discussion about killing each other and trying to order breakfast at the same time. Martin's talking to the waitress and wants an omelette. "Nothing on the omelette, nothing at all." "Well, that's not technically an omelette." "Look, I don't want to get into a semantic argument, I just want the protein." You're like that about Xbox 360. You know plenty, and you don't want to have to root around in somebody's neatly structured preview to extract new details. You just want them.

So, having just spent the past two hours or so in a room with Chris Satchell, general manager of Microsoft's Game Developer Group and a man intimately familiar with the inner and outer workings of the next-generation console, here's a rundown of the things he said that sounded new to us, interesting things you may have missed in the recent past, and the answers he gave to specific questions. Provided in no particular order - although the order may become more particular in later revisions as you start pointing out that we've grouped Xbox Live 360 pricing information with the mating rituals of flamingos on dialysis or some such nonsense.

Interface/Functionality

  • The console can be switched on and off wirelessly using the Media Remote control or the wireless game controller.
  • You will definitely need a hard disk to play Xbox 1 games.
  • Wherever you are - whether it's a game, film or piece of music - you can pull up the Guide (remember it from GDC?), which is a bit like a universal Start Menu, that allows you to look for friends, adjust playback and options, and even sort through people you've played against recently - listing them by reputation or what-have-you.
  • The pages of the Xbox 360 user interface are called "blades".
  • The Live blade is the default if you have a Live account, and shows you your gamer-card including a selected image (or photograph), your gamertag, the number of games you've played, your Gamerscore (more on that in a second), your achievements and your reputation.
  • More on Gamerscore - each Xbox 360 game gives out certain points based on accomplishments, and as well as being able to view a list of your individual achievements ("Finished level 10," etc) you are also given a total based on this. Xbox 1 games will not contribute to these stats.
  • The Game blade allows you to manage stuff like save-games, as well as accessing demos and trailers (standard and high-definition versions).
  • The System blade offers greater control over your individual settings. You can specify, for example, that you prefer to invert the right analogue stick camera control and this will then be picked up on in any game you play.
  • Likewise, the System blade allows greater control over family settings. Microsoft thinks this is very important, Satchell said, and will therefore allow all manner of controls at a system or individual profile level. You can choose to allow specific people or the whole system access to certain games, DVDs (based on ratings - apparently "99 per cent" of DVDs now supply that information direct to the console), and areas of Live. Online, you can opt to ban certain friends, voice messaging, video messaging (if the camera is available), downloadables or just control online play.
  • If you yank the hard disk off the top of the Xbox 360 when it's in the middle of doing something, it will not corrupt it beyond repair or damage the File Allocation Table or anything like that - the hard disk uses a "transaction model" so that if you interrupt a transfer the data simply isn't present and the space is presumably reallocated when you next save data to it.
  • The "ring of light" around the power button highlights which wireless controller is being used, highlighting player one's activity in the top-left quadrant. When the console is laid on its side, it senses this and starts using the top-left quadrant as you see it with the console laid flat. What's more, the ring of light motif is spread throughout the Xbox 360 interface, so you can see which player pulled up the "Guide" page as you're watching a film or playing a game and, in the words of Satchell, "slap him".
  • Cross-platform development between Windows and Xbox is being actively pursued - in the future, Microsoft hopes that people will be able to play games against each other using either platform.
  • On the issue of cooling - Satchell said he thought the system had three fans (he said he wasn't sure but thought it was three, so we'd open to correction on that one), and we couldn't hear them at all as he spoke. When you play a DVD, it powers down to just one fan. It's "a lot" better than the "wind tunnel" alpha kits, he said.

Xbox Live

  • Transferring your Xbox Live account to Xbox 360 will be part of the initial set-up procedure when you first plug in your console, and existing users have "Gold" membership.
  • People buying the Xbox 360 £279.99 package - the higher-end one - get a 30-day free trial of Gold membership on Xbox Live. Actual pricing has yet to be announced - although some would beg to differ.
  • Your "reputation" stat is based on your activities online. Rather like an eBay rating, people who have encountered you can rate you positively or negatively, and this is reflected in your reputation.
  • Xbox Live will allow you to play in various Zones - there will be causal, pro, family, and underground (where "anything goes") and perhaps more - and these will allow you to go for whatever kind of experience you like.
  • Marketplace is also accessible through the Live blade. As you know, this is where you can download premium content and, in the future, content created by users and sold to other users via a micro-payment system. Marketplace does not require you to insert individual game discs to see content available for those games.

Multimedia

  • DVDs can be played even if you don't have the remote control, unlike Xbox 1.
  • DVDs will play back in progressive-scan, with the Xbox 360 up-sampling to prog-scan in the case of DVDs that don't support it.
  • When ripping music to the hard drive, album information is now stored on the HDD, with a huge amount there by default and more available from an online source - presumably something like CDDB, which will be familiar to people who rip their own CDs already.
  • The Jeff Minter-created visualisation tool for music accepts input from all control pads and the video camera, allowing you to create various effects on-screen.
  • iPods are detected by default, as are PSPs, and by our watch it took about 2 or 3 seconds for the Xbox 360 to notice they were there. With an iPod plugged in you can play music direct through the Dashboard software, with visualisations, or you can play a slideshow of photographs.
  • For now, you can play music and access photographs on the PSP, but you can't do video yet. That may happen, but Satchell joked that Sony wasn't exactly giving them a helping hand there.
  • Interestingly, you can actually have that slideshow draw photographs from another external device, so - as in our demo - you could play music from an iPod while using a slideshow of photos from a PlayStation Portable simultaneously.
  • All of these devices will be supported by default, and any firmware updates that are necessary - Microsoft is hoping for very few - can be made available via Live.
  • You can also plug in a laptop or PC (or not plug it in - if you're using wireless networking) and play content direct from that. This is through Windows Media Player Extender, the software for which is pre-installed on the Xbox 360. In our example, Satchell first streamed a high-definition Project Gotham Racing 3 trailer, and then drew upon a high-definition recording of Star Wars: Episode II apparently captured on his home TV.

Official Peripherals

  • RGB video output will only be possible if you purchase the £17.99 cable separately - regardless of whether you paid £209.99 or £279.99 for your Xbox 360 console.
  • Video cables from Xbox 1 will not work with Xbox 360.
  • The wireless networking adapter plugs into the USB 2.0 port on the back of the console and is "like a small pack of cigarettes" in terms of size.
  • The camera is a separate peripheral that will plug into one of the USB 2.0 slots and will be released next year - date TBC.
  • While the Media Remote will be bundled with Xbox 360's £279.99 offering, this will apparently only be for a limited time based on available units. We'll get more details on that when we can.
  • You can plug in a keyboard but this is for text input only - including in massively-multiplayer games. You can't use it to play games and that was a design choice.
  • If a third-party peripheral manufacturer or publisher wanted to let more than four players play on one game, Microsoft would be happy to help them create a peripheral to do that.

Offline Content

  • Microsoft also plans to have kiosks available - presumably in game stores and other public locations - where you can download content. Whether this will be to the detachable hard disk itself or a memory card is a detail that wasn't clarified.

So there you have it. Hopefully some of that was new to you. We'll be giving you our thoughts on the system itself and our impressions on it in the near future. Oh, and for those of you currently drag-selecting chunks of text to paste to your forum chums - we're happy for you to do so, but if you could give us a link that would also be very friendly. Come again!

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About Tom Bramwell

Tom is Operations director of Eurogamer Network and Editor-at-Large of Eurogamer.net. He joined the company in February 2000.

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  • mattigan #1 7 years ago

    First Yay

    /will edit this comment when i've spent 30 minutes reading the article and have something to say on it :-P


    I want one!!
    Edited by 3 at 01/09/05 @ 16:25

  • MaTTy_P #2 7 years ago

    sounds bloody brill if you ask me!

  • Huntcjna #3 7 years ago

    I agree I want it now now now I hope it supports creative zen mp3 players too that would be sweet

  • Teeth #4 7 years ago

    All sounds good to me.

  • bootsy_NL_30 #5 7 years ago

    wow...I really am impressed by this package,the only catch is I have a PC that can do most of this stuff , sometimes I wonder if Nintendo are on the right track by creating a games console that is singular in purpose....I think they are.However I think the 360 is really good value and the "Gamescore" system is a master stroke,promoting competition within the gaming comunity is what has made online PC gaming so fantastic,Gamescore really builds on this idea....cool!

  • Derblington #6 7 years ago

    There's some nice things in there, nothing that'll really effect me though.

    Sony must the PSP deal :)

  • jumpdeveraux #7 7 years ago

    Just publish the list of which XB1 titles will run on 360 so I know if I can chuck the old black breeze block in the bin.

    Yes I still haven't got around to finishing a few XB1 titles.

  • tengu #8 7 years ago

    So... does it run ALL Xbox 1 games?

  • smoothpete #9 7 years ago

    Hell yes. Gimme gimme gimme

  • The Storm #10 7 years ago

    Go on ...treat yourself... buy an X360 & PS3 ... you know it makes sense!

  • Machiavel #11 7 years ago

    Some nice touches, very thoughtful - but:

    album information is now stored on the HDD, with a huge amount there by default

    What's the point? Using up part of 20Gb second guessing popular record collections?


    RGB video output will only be possible if you purchase the £17.99 cable separately - regardless of whether you paid £209.99 or £279.99 for your Xbox 360 console.

    Arghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 16:01

  • The12thMonkey #12 7 years ago

    360 is sounding more tempting all the time. I'm reckoning I'll pick one up when Halo 3 appears. Shoul be a good few titles out there for it by then.

  • deaner #13 7 years ago

    "iPods are detected by default, as are PSPs.

    Bah! Fraternising with the enemy! The Xealots will never allow it! The PSP is the SuXXX0RZ etc!

  • Cuchulainn #14 7 years ago

    But I've still not seen an answer to one of my most important questions:
    How loud is it? How many fans?

    I know loudness can be somewhat subjective - what annoys me mightn't annoy someone else. For me, the current xbox is aobut as loud as I'd like - I wouldn't watch dvds on it because I'd hear it during quiet parts of the film. But it doesn't bother me when playing games and I've an aldi special dvd player, so I'm fine. But what about the 360?
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 16:09

  • MARKIV #15 7 years ago

    Re: "RGB video output will only be possible if you purchase the £17.99 cable separately - regardless of whether you paid £209.99 or £279.99 for your Xbox 360 console.

    Video cables from Xbox 1 will not work with Xbox 360."

    Nuts! I'm sure 90% of us would rather they shipped it with a RGB cable than a HD cable ( or composite cable for that matter ). Most TV's produced with in the last 8 years ( my Sony is 8 years old and supports RGB ) support RGB, so why cheese us all off with the wrong two options. Don't they do market research, are they trying to push us into spending £1,500 on a HD tv!!?

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #16 7 years ago

    They did actually address the issue of fans. I'll add a note to the piece.

    The guy reckoned three fans (he said he wasn't sure but thought it was three), and we couldn't hear them at all. When you play a DVD, it powers down to just one fan. It's "a lot" better than the "wind tunnel" alpha kits, he said.

  • PES_Fanboy #17 7 years ago

    I'm unsure of how the Hi-Def will work - in the case of games where Hi-Def isn't supported, is the picture quality of RGB standard, or wot? I've got a HD telly, but I've never had anything that output in hi-def to plug into it!

    Nice list of Q&A, thanks Eurogamer.

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #18 7 years ago

    If you have an HD telly, it should be automagic. You just plug the Xbox 360 in through the component cable supplied with the £279.99 version (or sold separately) and then it /should/ auto-sense this and you'll be away. Everything will look very spangly.

  • onyxbox #19 7 years ago

    sounds like a PC :-D

    /dives for cover

  • MoFo #20 7 years ago

    there already look to be some killer apps on the way. PGR3, GR3, DOA4 and FIFA \o/

    Yeah killer...if you like playing old games again but with slightly better graphics.

  • deaner #21 7 years ago

    Pity about the RGB cable being an extra. Ah well, guess it stays in the living room!

  • kangarootoo #22 7 years ago

    Great article, straight to the point.

    Some of those features are really nice, and some are just great. The option to set your camera Y axis preference and then have that applied to all games is bloody genius! So simple, so obvious, but so sensible.

    Someone talked about system volume. I would speculate that system noise will be quite a bit less than the current XB for two reasons.

    1. Loads of people complained about it and for that reason I would expect M$ to take it seriously and consider some sound insulation.

    2. The laptop HDD that they are suing is quieter than the cheapy ATA drive in the current XB. It also runs cooler, meaning less fans (though this could be offset by more powerful CPU and GPU units needing more cooling.

  • Furbs #23 7 years ago

    Oh MoFo, not the originality argument again zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Surely good gameplay is timeless? So:
    Good game + better graphics to be more up to date = good gameplay?

    And thats working on the assumption they'll have no new features.

  • flogen #24 7 years ago

    Nice stuff, thanks eurogamer!

    By the way, from working in a Game shop I got to know a little more about the pods (or kiosks). We had the head of in-store display (or some crap) in and he told us some stuff about it.
    One is that you can use your memory card to download content, I'm not sure if it's the set up on all xboxs or just this one, but you can't put info onto the machine with it.
    Also, the pod will have a headphone jack so you can plug in and listen to the audio, rather than have it blaring across the shop (or not there at all), which is nice!

  • ProfessorLesser #25 7 years ago

    ..............."blades"?!

    Jesus christ.

  • Jmog #26 7 years ago

    "with the Xbox 360 up-sampling to prog-scan in the case of DVDs that don't support it"

    Eh? There are no DVDs which don't support progressive. It's always been a matter of the player's capabilities, not the discs'.

  • kangarootoo #27 7 years ago

    Just read on through the media section. Seems to the XB360 has a stack of very handy things it can do.

    Sure most people will mainly use it for games, but for many of us being able to stream music and movies from a PC without having to get the soldering iron out is a bonus (upsampling of DVDs too, hurrah).

  • kangarootoo #28 7 years ago

    One further thought, more of a wish list item really (in case anyone M$ side is reading this).

    How about an option to swap the functions of the analogue sticks, and also one to switch the four button cluster with the D-pad. That would make a hell of a lot of left handed players very happy (and save some effort for those devs trying to include similar options in their game code).

    I'm not one myself, but I've seen the annoyance a left hander feels when trying an FPS to find it doesn't have a southpaw option, and I've been frustrated as a dev facing opposition when trying to get such options included in a game.

  • brokenkey #29 7 years ago

    being able to access the guide from whereever you are is a bit like accidenlty hitting the Start button on your keyboard in the middle of a fantic FPS session = bloody annoying.

    Anyone got contact details for the MS's Live product manager in the UK ?

  • #30 7 years ago

    Sounds awsome ! glad i have pre-ordered. big fat blonde if you dont like the consoles designe youre in the minority (bar fanboys) i'll be supporting all 3 next gen systems but i have to say in regard to looks the PS3 makes even xbox1 look nice.

    Festive update - 360 owners sit happily playing while ps3 fanboys sit diluded in darkened rooms speculating over a non-existant system
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 16:42

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #31 7 years ago

    Just added another bullet-point that had somehow escaped my memory:

    - While the Media Remote will be bundled with Xbox 360's £279.99 offering, this will apparently only be for a limited time based on available units. We'll get more details on that when we can.

  • MaTTy_P #32 7 years ago

    I love eurogamer arguments. 'Dissing' the flaws of one console and trying to claim that thier chosen console will be better than the other. It makes me chuckle more to myself as I get older.

    Dont worry kids, you will learn eventually :p

  • Valver #33 7 years ago

    Where are the Force Feedback Steering Wheels dammit?!! Xbox 1 really annoyed me with its lack of decent racing wheels... MS, please dont make the same oversight again with the 360.

  • #34 7 years ago

    "Marketplace is also accessible through the Live blade. As you know, this is where you can download premium content" yeah, like extra bullets in a FPS game... 50p a clip.

    prepare to be ripped off consumers...

  • deaner #35 7 years ago

    I do love it when people feel the need to post on a website to put-down the website.

  • tengu #36 7 years ago

    I love the obvious fanboys who claim they will buy all the next gen consoles, but at the end of their posts add in a little dig at the console they secretly hate. You should all just get whichever one has the games you want to play, simple as that.

    So long as it isn't the 360, cuz itz l4m3!

  • oceanmotion #37 7 years ago

    What so special about RGB ? I don't know much about this stuff. thanks

  • #38 7 years ago

    its MS not sony i dont feel we'll be ripped off. we havent been in the past on live.

  • #39 7 years ago

    Oooh tengu seeing as that was obviously aimed at me (such a peacon wit u have son) nothing i said in the post youre referring to was fanboy-ism , i will buy a ps3 but it isnt great to look at....just like i got an xbox1.

  • tengu #40 7 years ago

    Very self important, aren't you pete?

  • zErOb_cOOl #41 7 years ago

    "Satchell said he thought the system had three fans "

    Really? And was he one of them?

  • #42 7 years ago

    So would you be...If you were me tengzypoo'z :p

  • Shrimp #43 7 years ago

    Sounds awesome - and I'm a pretty hardened Xbox sceptic. The PSP and iPod thing is pretty interesting, although less so if it's just some generic protocol they both use.

    Oh, and what the fuck is a "peacon"?

  • #44 7 years ago

    Lol Dunno i heard it in a film once.

  • kangarootoo #45 7 years ago

    For those asking about backwards compatability, this is the situation as I understand it.

    The change of CPU anf GPU means that building in compatability is simply not possible. However, the only part of the game that has this problem is the actual exe itself (i.e the program that runs). All the assets, such as movies, images, sound files, level files and so on are fine).

    So, to get your old copy of Halo running, all you need is a replacement Halo exe, which will then access all the existing assets from the game disc are before. Now, a replacement exe may come from the original developer but it could just as easily come from M$ if they were given access to the source code for the game (which isn't unlikely given it would all be arse deep in non disclosure agreements).

    This is why M$ are saying that only the top selling titles will be available initially, as every game that is to be made backwards compatible needs some coding time by one company or another. I would imagine M$ have some dev tools that makes the job easy for companies eager to get their old titles working on XB360.

    The new exe needs somewhere to live, hence you need an HDD to stick it on. Although the exe will be pretty small compared to the rest of the game disc contents, its not likely a memory card would do the job.

    Depending how serious M$ and existing devs take this backwards compatability business, we may well see a lot of replacement exes turning up on XB Live over time.

    Please anyone, hop in if I'm wrong about any of the above.

  • StarchildHypocrethes #46 7 years ago

    You can turn it on and off with the controller!

    /gets confused by the excitement that one fact caused

    /ridiculously preorders anyway

  • Cuchulainn #47 7 years ago

    Cheers for the answer to the fans question Mugwum - I appreciate it.

  • steviepunk #48 7 years ago

    "Can it play Xvid and Divx video files?"

    That is exactly what I want to know. Aside from home movies from the digi-cam, how many actual movies files are not in DivX format? Not many and the main one is Quicktime.


    On the backward compatibility, as far as I understood it they were going down an emulation route now (recent licence deal with nVidia allows them to emulate the Xbox GPU). This means that rather than having to recompile the exe file for each game, the emulator will just run the existing one. There was even talk of new games (ie. next years) coming with the emulation software on the DVD so it can be played in Xbox360 straight away. Emulation would work in a similar way to Mame, the initial release of emulator will be on the 360's HDD and will do what it can for each game, though will be tuned to the most popular games. Over time the emulator will be updated with fixes to allow it to play other games, this will download via Live.

  • #49 7 years ago

    hmm i kinda get what u mean fruity but u see thats the beauty of it , now ppl like me can stay in bed with mini fridge full of beer and when too pissed to continue gaming i may switch off and sleep with controller until i wake ready for more beer and DoA4 mmm ...*almost gets a hard-on just thinking of it*

    Edit - jsut so u know ,im not sure wether hard-on reaction was coz of sleeping with the pad or the DoA girls boobies in HD but anyway.....
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 17:45

  • kangarootoo #50 7 years ago

    @steviepunk.

    I hadn't heard about the licensing deal. Thought M$ and Nvidia weren't friends anymore (though cash will always sort out spats between big corps). As far as new games running on the XB360 from the off, this could be the case either way, as the dev could include two exes on the disc (assuming the console uses a different naming format so the right one is picked up).

    As far as DivX files go, my first response would be to assume that it must do or the streaming would be kind of redundant. But then M$ could easily limit streaming to some bonkers format of their own (proprietary formats are kind of their bag).

    @Fruit salad.
    Put your controller charger near your chair and you are set. You will never need to use the little glass door on your TV unit again! Weld the hinges shut, just to be sure. ;)

  • Wobble #51 7 years ago

    Mugwum -

    Every refrence to doing anything with a pc in the past has mentioned only windows MCE , but you don't mention any specific OS, any idea if you can use the 360's Media Player Extender to connect to normal XP?

  • gibbondrives #52 7 years ago

    Shrimp: looking at the GDC demo of the PSP/iPod connectivity doodad, the PSP just appears as a USB device (like a USB key, hard drive), so you see the PSP folder on the memory stick, and can navigate to the photos/music. Not unlike Windows.

    The iPod connectivity looks more interesting, as the 360 acts as a control interface to the iPod, displaying the Music menu (letting you navigate in a similar way to using the iPod). However this also means no music copying from the iPod, although MP3 players where you drag and drop music onto them look like they'll act like the PSP.

  • gibbondrives #53 7 years ago

    Wobble - Media CENTER Extender would require a Media Center PC.
    Media PLAYER Extender just needs a recent copy of Media Player on the host PC. Player extender is used to talk to those video streaming boxes like KiSS DVD players.

  • Ghetto-lapin #54 7 years ago

    Do you know if there's any plan for a VGA or HDMi cable ? My HDTV doesn't have any component input.....

  • gibbondrives #55 7 years ago

    there are going to be VGA/HDMI adapters available, whether they're included or not is a different matter.

  • TS2610 #56 7 years ago

    The PSP part is interesting. I bet Sony will put something in future PSPs that gives the 360 32432432 different varieties of virus if you connect them.

  • Markusdragon #57 7 years ago

    I don't get it. What kind of cable comes with it?

  • velocity_girl #58 7 years ago

    sounds feckin ace...

    lots of great ideas..

    couple of things tho - I thought this thing was liquid cooled and not using fans.. an Im gonna hope i dont have to say "blades" in public..could they come up with any more cheesyass names if they tried..

  • JammyB #59 7 years ago

    The media functions are worthless if they're going to restrict you to WMA crap which seems likely to me. Apart from that I'm impressed with the thought that seems to have gone into it, can't wait to have a go.

  • Jmog #60 7 years ago

    "What so special about RGB ? I don't know much about this stuff. thanks"

    It's a much better signal. Colour separation and clarity is much improved. Comparing composite (yellow single plug) to RGB (scart) is like night and day. And before anyone asks, no, you don't have RGB if you are using a composite cable with a scart adapter on. It has to be scart all the way. If your TV has an RGB compatible scart input then there is simply no valid reason for not getting the cable.

    "I don't get it. What kind of cable comes with it?"

    The core package comes with a composite cable (or "AV cable" as it's often called). The premium comes with both composite and component. Component is comparable to RGB in standard resolutions but has the added benefit of being able to do progressive scan and HD resolutions. This is of course only relevant if your display supports it.

    "Do you know if there's any plan for a VGA or HDMi cable ?"

    There will be a VGA cable available for purchase at launch. With it, you will be able to play games in HD on your PC monitor - provided the monitor supports the resolutions. Shouldn't be a problem since PC monitors support most resolutions lower than their own native one. The VGA cable can of course also be used with a HDTV, projector or other display device with VGA-in. Displays with a DVI-I or DVI-A (but not DVI-D) input can also use the VGA cable with a VGA->DVI adapter. They don't cost much.

    Currently the plans for HDMI are a bit vague. We know for a fact that there won't be one for launch. Microsoft has hinted that one will be available at a later time if there's suffcient interest among consumers. What we _don't_ know is whether the AV-out on the 360 is even HDMI compatible. It's quite possible that it's not just a question of releasing a cable, but making a new hardware revision with a HDMI port.
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 19:12

  • crashVoodoo #61 7 years ago

    Media CENTER Extender would require a Media Center PC.

    i've read somewhere that it works off vanilla xp ... no media center nonsense needed. it uses windows media connect or something.

    /searches for article ...

  • crashVoodoo #62 7 years ago

    found it, from toms hardware

    quote ... "Microsoft today released a beta version of its Windows Media Connect 2 to developers and beta testers. The software, which allows digital media receivers (DMR) to stream music, video, and photos stored on Windows XP-based computers, will support in its second generation a range of new devices, including the upcoming game console Xbox 360.


    According to Microsoft, WMC2 connects the Xbox 360 to home PCs as well as online services such as Napster and Yahoo and allows streaming of digital content, including images, music and video. PlaysForSure verified digital media receivers such as those from Roku and D-Link are supported as well, the company said.

    WMC2 will be offered as a free update for Windows XP before the end of year, Microsoft told Tom's Hardware Guide. (THG)
    "

  • Scimarad #63 7 years ago

    Sounds very well thought out.

  • davyuk #64 7 years ago

    "I'm not buying an HDTV for £1500 blah blah..."

    32" Samsung LCD HDTV - £796. This is a shit-hot TV with features only available to £1000+ models by other manufacturers. I have one, and it's the friggin biz.

    http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/conten t/products/details/html/SAM-LE32R41B.htm

  • lennon #65 7 years ago

    Ring of light sells it for me. Utterly pointless but I just love it. The more and more I see of this system the more I cant help but be impressed. Roll on November despite the fact that I will need a new RGB cable :)

  • Arkwright #66 7 years ago

    "If you yank the hard disk off the top of the Xbox 360 when it's in the middle of doing something,"
    What's this?Hard disk is a separate unit?How bobbins is that!?

  • Jmog #67 7 years ago

    "That's really weird... wont you get the best quality on a HDTV by using HDMI?"

    You would, yes. HDMI or DVI looks a bit better than component. How much better depends on the display's handling of the signals and the size of the screen. The larger the screen, the larger the difference.

    Microsofts rationale for not making it HDMI compatible (or supplying a cable) is that the majority of users have component capable displays while HDMI is a minority. This is actually completely true but it doesn't hurt to cover everything. Especially since the PS3 comes with HDMI ports as standard.

    One thing is sure. If they release a version of the 360 with a HD-DVD drive, then they'll have to include a HDMI port. HD-DVD movies will use an encryption (HDCP) that will only allow the HD signals to travel through digital outputs.

  • el_pollo_diablo #68 7 years ago

    Now all they need to do is program in a thingumy that downgrades PSP firmware as soon as you turn it on.

    Oh, and a Gamecube emulator.

    ... still not buying though
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 21:22

  • MARKIV #69 7 years ago

    Re "32" Samsung LCD HDTV - £796." Still upgrading a perfectly decent widescreen TV to a HD ready TV at this stage just doesn't seem value for money. Fair enough if it's your first widescreen telly.

  • admir #70 7 years ago

    it all sounds good but i dont want a console to be just like a PC i want it to be a console
    Hd shit who needs it anyway

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #71 7 years ago

    Does it play games?

  • captain-future #72 7 years ago

    great info! thx!

  • #73 7 years ago

    Samsung HDTV's i must admit are the dogs bollox ! only problem is the one i wants 52" and about £1800 ...has to be got somehow tho...maybe ill sell my granny.

    ps. pacman im not to sure on the details but i think you have to play the games and the console just runs the software ..i may be wrong as there have been conflicting reports.
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 22:41

  • pac666 #74 7 years ago

    Re
    "I'm not buying an HDTV for £1500 blah blah..."

    32" Samsung LCD HDTV - £796. This is a shit-hot TV with features only available to £1000+ models by other manufacturers. I have one, and it's the friggin biz.

    http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/products/detai ls/html/
    SAM-LE32R41B.htm

    Ok but does this support PC input, it doesn't seem to have VGA. I need a TV which will support VGA for the PC and Hi DEF for the 360 without swapping cables etc.

    Anyone any suggestions as to the best buy?
    Edited by 1 at 01/09/05 @ 22:44

  • captain-future #75 7 years ago

    When the console is laid on its side, it senses this and starts using the top-left quadrant as you see it with the console laid flat.

    I can't believe the ingeniousity of this feature! Hope they spent some cents on a battery so when you pull the power plug the system clock doesn't reset... would be very nice.

  • lordofdeadside #76 7 years ago

    no OSX support? c'mon!

  • Bru-Man #77 7 years ago

    "Interestingly, you can actually have that slideshow draw photographs from another external device, so - as in our demo - you could play music from an iPod while using a slideshow of photos from a PlayStation Portable simultaneously."

    Interesting featurette, but why would you EVER do this? Other than to listen to Soft Cell's 'Tainted Love' while pictures of cocks and starfish randomly scroll across your TV I guess...

  • #78 7 years ago

    Exactly bru! perfect for the average psp owner.

  • Wobble #79 7 years ago

    Thanks crashVoodoo , just what I was hoping to find out :)

  • BLACKSHEEP #80 7 years ago

    I just think it's too ugly for my setup even with changeable facias!

  • Xerx3s #81 7 years ago

    "The pages of the Xbox 360 user interface are called "blades"." - Whats wrong with page? Sounds like some designer was hired to make it sound interesting.


    "If you yank the hard disk off the top of the Xbox 360 when it's in the middle of doing something, it will not corrupt it beyond repair or damage the File Allocation Table or anything like that - the hard disk uses a "transaction model" so that if you interrupt a transfer the data simply isn't present and the space is presumably reallocated when you next save data to it." - Phew, saves me trying that out. [...]

    "The "ring of light" around the power button highlights which wireless controller is being used, highlighting player one's activity in the top-left quadrant. When the console is laid on its side, it senses this and starts using the top-left quadrant as you see it with the console laid flat. What's more, the ring of light motif is spread throughout the Xbox 360 interface, so you can see which player pulled up the "Guide" page as you're watching a film or playing a game and, in the words of Satchell, "slap him"." Sounds like some designers had to much time on their hands.

    "If a third-party peripheral manufacturer or publisher wanted to let more than four players play on one game, Microsoft would be happy to help them create a peripheral to do that." - So, it IS capable of supporting more than 4 players?

    One question that wasnt considerd though (kinda lame to ask, but still): "Is it possible to plug a usb hub into your usb slot and thereby increasing the ammount of usb slots availble?

    "Seeing the 360 controller makes me want to run a mile. As for the silver case design, don't even go there :o)" - What dimension do you live in? The designs are great! Silver? thats another console. Atleast, they are a whole lot better that the double headed dildo & bbq that sony will release.

    "So long as it isn't the 360, cuz itz l4m3!" - f4nb0y1zm.

    "Can it play Xvid and Divx video files? If not, they can fuck right off, until someone cracks that biatch open like your mum and fills it up with ROMs and pirated games. " - Tuttut, such harsh words. What you need is a lot of zen gaming! To restore the ying and yang of your zen soul;p

    "/Walks over to console, places controller next to it. (could have easily just press the power button on the console at this point)" - Heh, thats a point well made.

    Here is a question though, considering the fact that ms uses dmr for streaming stuff, will it be compatible with other things? IE: me pc is a Kiss 1500 DMR server and is connected to me Kiss 1500 dvd player. Will the xb2 be able to tap into one of those?

  • admir #82 7 years ago

    i am still more impressed by the ps3 then x360 there are many reasons which i dont want to say xbox fucking fanboys will then start saying shit how bad the ps3 is and so on i tierd of those fuck faces
    MS is reaping off people just like sony and thats there job so i dont know and get why u fags are fanboys

  • fantabulo #83 7 years ago

    piquant. I had something else to say, but...

    That's directed at petay, not admir, obviously. Anyway regarding xbox1 games, couldn't they just emulate them, or is the hardware too far removed, as someone said, and the 360 not powerfull enough?
    Edited by 1 at 02/09/05 @ 07:04

  • PES_Fanboy #84 7 years ago

    You can buy a DVI - HDMI cable, I've got one as my HDTV has HDMI only, it cost about £30 though...

  • AaronTurner #85 7 years ago

    "If you yank the hard disk off the top of the Xbox 360 when it's in the middle of doing something, it will not corrupt it beyond repair or damage the File Allocation Table or anything like that - the hard disk uses a "transaction model" so that if you interrupt a transfer the data simply isn't present and the space is presumably reallocated when you next save data to it." - Phew, saves me trying that out. [...]

    Well I would say that is quite an important feature because not evderyone using this console will be over 16. I'm sure it's the kind of thing many kids would do.

    "The "ring of light" around the power button highlights which wireless controller is being used, highlighting player one's activity in the top-left quadrant. When the console is laid on its side, it senses this and starts using the top-left quadrant as you see it with the console laid flat. What's more, the ring of light motif is spread throughout the Xbox 360 interface, so you can see which player pulled up the "Guide" page as you're watching a film or playing a game and, in the words of Satchell, "slap him"." Sounds like some designers had to much time on their hands.

    This is obviously a required feature as it tells you how many controllers are connected if youa re having connection problems.

    "/Walks over to console, places controller next to it. (could have easily just press the power button on the console at this point)" - Heh, thats a point well made.

    Good feature, does everyone keep their wireless tv remote on top of the tv? No. I doubt you will be keeping your wireless controllers by the console anymore either.

  • zErOb_cOOl #86 7 years ago

    There is a reason why the off button is usually on the console and not the controller...No not because of previous technological restrictions.....So you don't accidently press it and lose your game!

    Duh M$, Duh.
    Edited by 1 at 02/09/05 @ 08:51

  • Blerk #87 7 years ago

    Nice to see some 'real' info for a change, albeit mostly not very interesting from my point of view. Shame about getting stiffed on the video cables again. And... 'blades'... what were they thinking? :-)

    Anyway... when are they going to talk about games?

  • AaronTurner #88 7 years ago

    There is a reason why the off button is usually on the console and not the controller...No not because of previous technological restrictions.....So you don't accidently press it and lose your game!

    Duh M$, Duh.

    How exactly do you know that they haven't thought about this already? Do you accidently turn of your telly or stereo everytime you use it's controller?
    Edited by 1 at 02/09/05 @ 09:16

  • davyuk #89 7 years ago

    Ok but does this support PC input, it doesn't seem to have VGA. I need a TV which will support VGA for the PC and Hi DEF for the 360 without swapping cables etc.

    It has VGA (PC), HDMI, component, SCART inputs. It's not short of any features. Microsoft partnered with Samsung to promote HD with 360.

    I also thought HDTV was just hype until I saw an HD demo on this set. This is like the switch from VHS to DVD. My old 27" CRT widescreen looks so damn blurry now - I had one of those 'how did I ever put up with that' moments when I set it up in the spare room.

  • 3william56 #90 7 years ago

    Aww.. goddamit fantabulo, you got there before me... "peacon wit" indeed... LOL!
    See - all these evil games really are leading to illigitemacy (er...) :o)

  • drumbaby #91 7 years ago

    Aye davyuk....the difference is like night and day. Normal telly looks like soft-o-vision after watching high def.

  • Wrobel #92 7 years ago

    When the console is laid on its side, it senses this and starts using the top-left quadrant as you see it with the console laid flat.

    Cool, so the 360 has a tilt system like the Revolution controller! Except the 360 is the controller ;-)

  • SirScratchalot #93 7 years ago

    Emulating the xbox 1 on the 360? My guess: Nobody really knows if it´s powerfull enough yet. It´s a pretty alien architecture so far. Usually though it takes around 10x the power of the system to be emulated to do it, me I´m doubtuful the 360 quite measures up to that. On the other hand this would be an emulator coded by a development studio with a lot of people, cash and presumably time. So who knows?
    A bit of a problem at least though.... Also NVidia might have something to say about that, even though I´m sure microsoft has already plunked out for licensing in order to have backwards compatability...

    Any thoughts people?

  • jiveguy #94 7 years ago

    Blerk: I expect to hear more about the games as soon as manufacturers and journos get some free time from dealing with people whining about backwards compatability and cables :)

  • davyuk #95 7 years ago

    Aye davyuk....the difference is like night and day. Normal telly looks like soft-o-vision after watching high def.

    But many stores showcase HDTV with analogue terrestrial feeds! You can hear customers muttering 'looks shit' under their breaths. Thing is, most of us here are already sold on HD whether we realise it or not - you're sitting in front of a PC monitor, right?

  • Chop #96 7 years ago

    I can say that I have worked with the final hardware kits and the noise is almost non-existant. The Beta hardware sounded like a harrier jump jet. The final stuff is lovely and quiet.

  • Hench #97 7 years ago

    There is one more question I would like to know, do you have to download the halo 2 multiplayer maps again?

  • bivith #98 7 years ago

    Speaking as an HDTV owner, even I think that for Europe the full system should ship with RGB rather than component cables. I think MS might have scored an own goal here.

    OTOH, I have an HDTV, so I'm not really complaining :p

  • Yaz #99 7 years ago

    "Emulating the xbox 1 on the 360? My guess: Nobody really knows if it´s powerfull enough yet. ...Any thoughts people?"

    Backwards compatibility has been confirmed, so it is powerful enough (BTW, you don't need 10x the power for everything).

    All we're waiting for now are the list of compatible games.

  • Xerx3s #100 7 years ago

    "i am still more impressed by the ps3 then x360 there are many reasons which i dont want to say xbox fucking fanboys will then start saying shit how bad the ps3 is and so on i tierd of those fuck faces
    MS is reaping off people just like sony and thats there job so i dont know and get why u fags are fanboys" - Heh, unlike some sony fanboys, ms fanboys dont have to resort to lameass "idonthaveanyarguments" posts. ^_^

    "Why is it that retarded spelling usually goes hand in hand with fanboi-ism? Maybe its because fanboys are r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d? " - Plz dont insult retarded ppl like that.

    "There is a reason why the off button is usually on the console and not the controller...No not because of previous technological restrictions.....So you don't accidently press it and lose your game!" If you actually watched the demo of the system, you will see that you have to go through the menu with confirmation. No accidental shutdown possible. So, duh.

    "The Beta hardware sounded like a harrier jump jet." - LOL! /has a funny thought that involves a flying xb2.

  • Yossarian #101 7 years ago

    "There is a reason why the off button is usually on the console and not the controller...No not because of previous technological restrictions.....So you don't accidently press it and lose your game!

    Duh M$, Duh."

    sigh sigh sigh

    to 'accidentally' turn off your Xbox 360 with the controller, you will have to 'accidentally' press the Guide button, 'accidentally' scroll to the power button, and 'accidentally' press A twice.

  • Tiger_Walts #102 7 years ago

    "Emulating the xbox 1 on the 360? My guess: Nobody really knows if it´s powerfull enough yet. It´s a pretty alien architecture so far. Usually though it takes around 10x the power of the system to be emulated to do it, me I´m doubtuful the 360 quite measures up to that. On the other hand this would be an emulator coded by a development studio with a lot of people, cash and presumably time. So who knows?"

    Xbox 1 games will run on the 360 but only with support for each indiviudual game. The game content ca remain the same but the game executable will have to be re-written to work withthe new hardware. For an idea of how this works, search for the Aleph One project, it's a port of the Marathon engine from the Mac to the PC which uses the original Mac content files. Hopefully more and more games will be supported over time with the replacement code dowwnloadable from the Live service.

  • redd #103 7 years ago

    Guys, regarding Divx playback, usually in media center extender devices if these devices do not have the codecs required to play the media, they will just query the host of the media (i.e. our home PC) for the codecs, download them, and play it!

    should be no different with this box

  • davyuk #104 7 years ago

    Does anyone know if PAL Halo 2 will run in 480p through 360?

  • Syrette #105 7 years ago

    2 things i picked up that please me;

    - transferring your old paid-for Xbox 1 account to the 360 gets you the Gold package for free.

    - you can play DVDs without spending money on a remote.


    ok, so both things should be standard but im happy to see that Microsoft are doing the right thing.

  • #106 7 years ago

    admir i dont see how even a complete cretin could think that £209 for hardware like the 360 is a rip-off,maybe when you leave school and get a job it wont seem like so much, i guess on pocket money it may take a while to save for.

  • tengu #107 7 years ago

    Pete calling admir a cretin... how ironic.

  • SirScratchalot #108 7 years ago

    Yaz, yes, but wether that backwards compatability comes through emulation or not is still up in the air. It has been hinted by MS that it is in fact necessary to port the .xbe of each game. See kangartoo´s very eloquent post on the subject in this very thread.

  • #109 7 years ago

    Tengu you know that lonely kid in the playground who'd always seek you out at playtime just to hit you because they secretly fancy you? Is that the relationship you're trying to form with me poppet?

    Edit: *Winks*
    Edited by 1 at 02/09/05 @ 13:30

  • tengu #110 7 years ago

    Just say you love me and I'm gone.

  • kangarootoo #111 7 years ago

    I am more and more convinced each day that admir is either not a real person, or just someone pretending to be a dick (which apparently is a common hobby amongst webheads free of a social circle).


    More importantly, those interested in HDTV stuff (especially those thinking of going shopping for one) might find these pages useful.

    www.avforums.com

  • steviepunk #112 7 years ago

    @kangarootoo
    re: emulation

    I managed to find one of the articles about the licence deal, though I can't remember where I read about Microsofts intentions (EG?). Either way, emulation should certainly provide a much better system than re-compiling the exe file, updates via Live should definately help :)

    http://www.pro-g .co.uk/news/nid/931/

  • Gl3n #113 7 years ago

    Hot diggity damn and leg slapping with anticipation!

    Microsoft are once again levitating money from my malnourished wallet with their voluptuous electronic goods.

    Reveal the catch with backwards compatability already.

  • Grom #114 7 years ago

    I cannot believe that people are complaining that you can turn the console off from the controller. I am assuming that they are absolute fucking idiots who faint everytime they see a TV remote control with an 'off' button on it.

  • SirScratchalot #115 7 years ago

    You know there´s no reason you couldn´t have wrote that without using the words "fuck" or "idiot"

  • kangarootoo #116 7 years ago

    I can think of a reason, but its not complimentary :)

  • kangarootoo #117 7 years ago

    Nice link steviepunk.

    p.s. I really can't type today. You were very nearly referred to as steviepuck there, shortly followed by steviepuke ;)

  • Vin #118 7 years ago

    I'm so fucking tempted by this - http://www.tvandvideodirect.com/product.php?xProd=1195

    PGR3 on this beauty - sorted.

  • mattigan #119 7 years ago

    You can similar at www.richersounds.com for far less

  • Vin #120 7 years ago

    Cheers for that.

  • Teeth #121 7 years ago

    Blades of a fan? Come on, it's not that bad. I prefer it to "tabs".

    GO BLADES!

    TABS FOR TEH GHEYS!0

  • mattigan #122 7 years ago

    No problem Vin, if you can get to one of the Richer Sounds stores they're even cheaper!

  • #123 7 years ago

    tengu my dearest chum , love is somthing you in particular wont find easily , but ill cut you some slack dude, gimme a tenner and maybe ill bum you.

  • tengu #124 7 years ago

    You faggot.

  • bungalooBunny #125 7 years ago

    Tengu and Petay, get a room. This isn't a dating site. Not yet anyways.

    Like all the specs, but still not convinced with the lack of HD-DVD support. Hi wonder how they are going to sort that out?

  • #126 7 years ago

    tengu only in you're sordid & sweaty wet dreams am i a faggot, i know you pine for me but you're too young and i wouldnt want to deflower youre pert hairless bumhole.

  • Genji #127 7 years ago

    Great! DVD playback, recognises ipods, stores photos on the hard drive, wireless controllers, blades.

    Wait... is this a games console?

  • Les #128 7 years ago

    Not interested at all. Stupid to bring to versions to the market and I don't want PC games on my console.

    I'm pretty sure M$ will have success with selling cheap plastic face plates for big money to idiots though...

    I hope Sony will not follow the same strategy (multiple console versions), otherwise Revolution will be the only next-gen I'll get.

  • Eighthours #129 7 years ago

    Not interested at all. Stupid to bring to versions to the market and I don't want PC games on my console.

    I'm pretty sure M$ will have success with selling cheap plastic face plates for big money to idiots though...

    I hope Sony will not follow the same strategy (multiple console versions), otherwise Revolution will be the only next-gen I'll get.

    Wow, putting a dollar sign in the middle of MS. How original and non-doofus like!

  • asphaltcowboy #130 7 years ago

    How many times... :/ There aren't two versions! Think of it like the PSP standard and value pack - except you actually want the stuff in the 360's premium package :p

    Great article EG - this all sounds very exciting! :D

  • Yonda1me #131 7 years ago

    Just tell me something!
    Is it true that without the hard disc you will not be able to play all the games?

  • asphaltcowboy #132 7 years ago

    No, that's not true as far as we know. You won't, however, be able to play Xbox games without an HDD.

  • Teeth #133 7 years ago

    But will it play original Xbox games?

    What about PS1 games?

  • toy_brain #134 7 years ago

    "Just tell me something!
    Is it true that without the hard disc you will not be able to play all the games? "

    So far Final Fantasy 11 has been confirmed to require the HDD to play (no suprise there given that the PS2 version needs a HDD as well), I also read somewhere that Enchant Arm will require the HDD.
    I'll try and find the link for the Enchant Arm news.......

    EDIT: Link for the Enchant Arm news - scroll down neer to the bottom of the page...
    http:/ /www.the-magicbox.com/game20050831.shtml
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/05 @ 14:45

  • MickK #135 7 years ago

    Stuff the RGB cable!!!!

    They have a VGA cable!!!! My prayers are eventually answered!!! Now i can use my 24" widescreen monitor instead of a rubbish TV with the XBOX.

    The XBOX is the best for online gaming!, i don't play non-online games any more so i really have little interest in the PS3 !!!

  • Zuiyo #136 7 years ago

    Another thing is that if you press the XB360 logo in the pad you can boot up the console.

  • w00t #137 7 years ago

    What about Oblivion man! It looks incredible!

  • Scimarad #138 7 years ago

    I'm actually starting to think I might cancel my pre-order. It does seem like a great console I will get one but I'm just a little worried it's being rushed out too fast - especially the software. While it would probably be good if the games did slip a little it would leave bugger all to play. Do I really need to own one straight away, anyway?

  • SirScratchalot #139 7 years ago

    The eternal dilemma of the early adopter.

  • Les #140 7 years ago

    " How many times... :/ There aren't two versions! Think of it like the PSP standard and value pack - except you actually want the stuff in the 360's premium package :p "

    So there aren't two versions, but if you don't have/get a HD, you can't play all the games, which will be the start of system requirements listed on console game cases... Xbox360 just sucks (too early, poor quality of first generation games in general if the previes are to be believed, total abandonment of Xbox1) and gamers are not the ones who profit. Shows once again that M$ is only in it for the money (and so are Sony and Nintendo of course).

  • w00t #141 7 years ago

    ^^^^ misguided - hasn't it been stated thatall games will work with or without HD (except possibly MMOGs)?

  • tengu #142 7 years ago

    So... NOT all games you mean?

  • Teeth #143 7 years ago

    lol

  • admir #144 7 years ago

    Petay Pan
    209 yes its a good price but you wont be able to play xbox1 games ( not all of them) so your are paying for one console
    but if you buy PS3 (whatever the price) you wil get ps1, ps2 and ps3
    my point 3in1 or 1 1/2 which one would you choose and there are lots of games that i didnt play on the ps1 and ps2 but dont have much time you know how it is when you have a job
    and x360 games most of them will come out on the PC so whats the point buying it

    kangarootoo
    iam not a dick but i have one which makes me a dick
    iam being a dick only to fanboys you ask them a question and they ignore you why because they cant answer it THEY ARE STUPID FAGS or you say something nice about sony or MS they start talking shit about you so FUCK ALL FANBOYS

  • Teeth #145 7 years ago

    Once, arnieofdarkness made some barmy reply to a thread, and admir replied with "what are you talking about? do you even know what your[sic] saying?"

    So that makes him OK in my book. Yes even after the spelling error. And yes! Fuck all fanboys! Sing it with us.

  • #146 7 years ago

    admir i'm not buying a next gen console to play ps1 games anyway according to you're master ken kutaragi the ps3's price tag would prolly be about equal to buying a 360 and second hand ps1,ps2,XB1 and still be left with a few quid, so i think not.

  • admir #147 7 years ago

    well thats why you get (PS3)3in1 and 1 1/2(x360)
    600US dollars is not a bad price for the ps3
    and i really dont care how the games look as long it s fun to play it
    games can look amazing where is the fun if the game is shit just look at the xbox games looked good but played like shit thats why i sold my xbox
    what i dont get why people make a big deal how much its going to cost a video card cost 600$ all it dose is makes the game look good and people still buy it so you must be a fucking fanboy

  • wiggle87 #148 6 years ago

    I really want a 360. The graphics r nowhere near the leap of past generations, but I do for sum reason love this console. That and the Revolution, I am buying. The attention to detail of the 360 like the ring of light, ppl moan but its a nifty thing that we can all say WOW THATS COOL. Yeah I know its sad but arent we ppl sad. And the blades r cool too! Certianely prefrable to dull old numbers-ville at the Sandwich toaster camp. (Sorry I couldn't resist, Im not a M$ fanboy Im just a fan of the PS3 failing, which it will, nobody will agree but it will be considered a failure within a year of its release).