PS3 - Reaction To The Game Videos Comments by Tom Bramwell

A lot of the videos for these are up on gamespot. Killzone looks amazing. And im pretty sure the Tekken character is Jin Tom. Or Kazuya. Maybe. Its not Heihachi anyway (sadly).

That Ubisoft FPS looks great, the way the guns are being fired (round walls and things) makes it look like they might be trying to do something different with the controls.

Curse you dial-up modem (and work anti-video firewall)!!

Do any of these actually look like actual game footage? Fair enough, the silver Teraflop beast can render this stuff (which is impressive enough), but can we expect this sort of insanity in-game?

The Mind boggles...

/boggle boggle boggle boggle boggle boggle boggle boggle boggle

Will maybe get the Xbox 360 mk2 then....

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! It all looks amazing!!!!!!!!!!

Killzone 2 looks absolutely astonishing, as does the Ninja game.

Shame the DMC 4 trailer is all old DMC footage leading to what is possibly a render...but if all the other games are real time, that possible render being ingame won't be a problem. Not at all.

/starts saving pennies (uncharacteristically for its launch)

Just seen that Motorstorm video on IGN and that is amazing. The 1st next gen demo i have seen that actually shows a major leap in graphics from current software. Now just need to train my hands to work on the larger pad

Wonder how many of them are actual game and not mock ups of "what our game will look like on PS3".

And I'm taking bets on the AI still being shite in Vision GT :)

Watched the entire presentation on Gamespot, to be honest I was close to believing. Heck, I WANT to. Just thought loads of it was VERY cleverly done CG. Again. All just looked a bit too staged, like the 'tech demos' they dupe us with every console launch. As gorgeous as it all looked, what if they just rendered the reload animations along with the rest of that Killzone demo? You know, to make it look enough like gameplay? Just look at MotorStorm. Reminded me (disturbingly) of the teaser for Crash 'N Burn. Remember the real-time Squall/Rinoa dancing from the PS2 launch? The 'old man' face from FF: The Spirits Within? Exactly. Nothing ever came close.

And yet Eurogamer falls for it every time ;)

Agreed. Fact is, I don't belive Sony have stated that any of these will be launch titles. Eurogamer and other Gamers are getting all starry eyed about these demos, but almost (if not all) of these won't be released until 2007 (maybe late 2007) And what you have to wonder is...what will Xbox 360 games look like by time? Or Nintendo Revolution games for that matter. Fact is, PS3 has shown us what it can do Demo and CGI wise. But Xbox 360 (stupid marketing speeches aside) have shown us what it can do from the get go. It's shown us actual footage of ingame play and features we will be using by the end of this year. And I'm Impressed. Very impressed.

The question I'd like answered is, how many of these games will be available at launch for PS3? And how many of these games will actually look like this come release? I have a feeling I already know the answers to that looking back at PS2 hype mongering...toy story graphics indeed.

"convincing mud behaviour"

Knowing how both MS and Sony like to big up their consoles achievments, I'm surprised that wasn't in either of their press releases

btw, you'd have to be an utter idiot not to know the character in the Tekken character demo is Jin Kazama. I can tell that just by the stupid fringe...

edit: Mind you, I suppose most people knew that anyway... it's not rocket science, and he is pretty much the lead character in the Tekken series right now...

Killzone? Hehe.. what a bit of hype can do...

Maybe you guys can get excited when you actually get to play any of these "real time "demos. Cell isn't even in production yet.

Utterly unimpressed, to be fair.

Same old hyperbole, different year.

could be amazing - BUT I'll believe it when I get to see real in game footage

I was linked here from the "Xbox 360 fails to convince in LA" article. Apparently I'm supposed to be impressed? Can anyone help me out?

The vid for MotorStorm is fantastic. So much weighty interaction and lovely physics going on.

I can catagoriclly state that the killzone demo that everyone is going on about is not in game stuff at all. Not saying it isnt possible but that is a VIDEO which a scottish animation house has been working on for weeks. If you expect the final game to look like that you might be dissapointed. This may well be reality enigne stuff all over again.

Heh, the pic for MotorStorm is adjacent to the Killzone paragraph :-P

alittle bit of insider knowledge there, eh lefizz? ;)

your right though..that KZ 'realtime demo' did look a little too smooth for hardware that is technically unavailable to devs, theres nothing to stop 'emulation' of 'could-be' specs on a high-end pc though, but theres little to suggest this in that video. Tbh, I'm a little dissapointed with the movies ive seen (other than teh KZ vid and FF7 tech demo) as the movies that suggest proper in-game footage (the ones with all the bad frame rate drops and frame-tearing) havern't been all that impressive.

im hoping that the future of ps3 will be killzone 2.. but am frightined it will all turn out killzone 1....

hmmm...guess we'll have to wait and see what the devs come up with, as 'proper' games and info are realesed....

I just watched "Killing Day" and i have to say it's impressing. Even more impressive than the other ToyStory-Crap

Remember the real-time Squall/Rinoa dancing from the PS2 launch? The 'old man' face from FF: The Spirits Within? Exactly. Nothing ever came close.
I do. I say them less than three months ago, actually. They look like crap, compared to current-day PS2 games.

Faking gameplay videos (again) makes sony lose a zillion points in my book, however.

"Faking gameplay videos (again) makes sony lose a zillion points in my book, however."

Um it's a bit obvious which ones are mock ups and which ones are in game isnt it? The insomniac one obviously is in game, as is the unreal demo (as they stop it and look around with pad).

The real time tech demos also show something very special, not in a "this is what games will look like" but in a "as a games developer i can see that being bloody ace" kind of way.

One major problem with the PS3, is that its going to be a fucker to program for - especially when compared to the 360. Sony are known for their lack of support for developers and their obscure libraries that hadn't been cracked until the last year (God of War etc.). Microsofot on the otherhand are building upon their WGM and DirectX with this console, providing instant accessibility - more so as they already released their XDK last year to developers.

So despite the lower power of the 360, expect to see better looking games on it in the formative years, until the Devs work out how to really take advantage of the PS3 when we might see the fist photorealistic games to come out.

Um it's a bit obvious which ones are mock ups and which ones are in game isnt it? The insomniac one obviously is in game, as is the unreal demo (as they stop it and look around with pad).Well, that's beside the point. I don't think Sony said "remember, this is a 4 weeks render of a game that might look like this when we finish it". They said, this is Killzone, and they published screenshots of Killzone, and they let the poor people from magazines (and online publications) belive Killzone looks like this. What this will lead to is again, a massive disapointment at the launch of the Playtation 3 based on ther sheer hype this images will bring.

Smelly, the problem is that even the ones that are playable at the moment will not end up like that on the actual PS3. They are being developed on dev kits that might not represent the console correctly and they are being developed for the sole porpose of being visually impressive.

Also, let's not go too far on Epic's hand. It's not like they aren't part of NVIDIA's The Way It's Meant To Be Played scheme.

Remember, even Valve lied about the performance of ATI cards. Enough money will make people say anything.

"They said, this is Killzone, and they published screenshots of Killzone, and they let the poor people from magazines (and online publications) belive Killzone looks like this. What this will lead to is again, a massive disapointment at the launch of the Playtation 3 based on ther sheer hype this images will bring."

Takashi, the thing is, Killzone DID look exactly like the preview screens shown in all the mags, in the finished game. Just not when the game was moving. At rest Killzone looked exactly the same as the initial batch of pre-release screens. That was because the PS2 was creaking under the strain.

This is markedly superior tech' we're seeing here, tech' that can render Unreal 3.0 in real time.

Killzone may well have been developed with the PS3 in mind from the beginning, just like the XBox couldn't cope properly with Halo2.

"One major problem with the PS3, is that its going to be a fucker to program for - especially when compared to the 360."

Epic's Unreal 3.0 game development tools will not only support Xbox 360 but also PS3. This will make it a lot easier to program for PS3 and multi-platform games making use of those tools (probably a lot) should look better on PS3 than on 360.

All i want to say is that reading online comment on this site and other people are totally blown away with the ps3 videos. I can only comment on the one i know which is killzone and that is a 2-3 months project by a well know scottish animation company. If the only one i know about is a 'fake' and yet all the 360 stuff is defintely in game isntit a bit silly for magazine and online publications to state which they look better and which has more power. This too me just shows that :-

A) Sony are no way near as advanced in there development of the ps3 titles as MS are for 360.
B) That Sony are trying to play the same game with PS3 that they did with PS2. By that i mean trying to disrail the competition(in that case the very good dreamcast) with hyped up performance claims.
C) that journalist should be far more careful about judging a system. Waiting till they let you play the thing before making a judgment!!!!!!

My 2p's worth

In referance to the whole "Was killzone a cg video?" debate.

Why would sony put so much emphasis on the UT2k7 demo being real time, and in-game when they had the killzone video waiting. Obviously UT looked gorgeous. But the same engine seems to run just as quick on the x360 (through gears of war, approx 60fps according to IGN). That's pretty fast for a console that many gaming websites are saying has half the power of the PS3. I'm not saying 'OMG X360 FOR THE WIN PS3 SUX!' I'm suggesting that it's weird that sony would focus on a multi format game instead of a first party exclusive, pretty damn sweet looking next gen title.

Sony indirectly suggested that the games in the show-reel were PS3 rendered, and maybe they are. But if i was sony, i'd be touting *that* colossal achievement, and not some (albiet impressive) multi-format game.

Bring on the playables :)

Surely it's just a feather in their cap to have Unreal 3 run so easily on their platform too...just in case there were doubters as to that fact?

Like i said i know killzone is a peice of FMV since i know people who worked on it.
This is not specutation but fact

Heheheh, okay m8. :)

Do guerilla even have alpha kits yet?

I'm ashamed at the "cum-spraying" EG have turned into. I always thought the journalists of this site were smarter than that.

Not that I'm an X360 junky, but this kind of cock-sucking for the ps3 by EG (over pre-rendered pics) gives me bad memories of how the industry turned it's back in the amazing dreamcast, only to be greeted by "The Bouncer".

Control your orgams EG, and let's atleast wait for real pics and videos to show up (probably by next E3).

I also find it funny how MS was ravaged for thier "updated" games, yet wee see GT5, DMC4, tekken 6 (really, do people still play tekken?)

Yep, and # 5 got a very warm response from the industry too. Go figure.

I hope the Eurogamer guys at E3 get to read some of these comments so the rest of their coverage isn't such a lobotomised Sony slurp fest. Here's two things they should note:

1 - Ok, we get it! The Xbox guys are total dickheads. But aren't the Xbox 360 games what people really care about?

2 - The footage Sony shpowed was almost all tech demos. TECH DEMOS. So FFS don't act like we'll all be playing Killzone 2 in a year.

promises, promises, this time i aint gonna fall for the demos like i did with the ps2/xbox malarky. must be my age and mentality.

Studio Liverpools F1 - Why, oh why! They STILL cant get the F1 models accurate, look how high the front wings are, doh! As for the physics looking, how shall we say, pants? They always were. License totally wasted again and again.

To be honest, if the graphics card is more powerful than SLI, then Killzone's graphics aren't unfeasible.

And that video was amazing, in-game or not.

The article stated, speaking of Eyedentify:
and you talk to a pair of gorgeous anime-esque girls rendered in startling detail

Ashley in RE4 looked much more detailed, smoother, less polygonal, and with better textures. Look at the low-poly tits, and the low-poly ear of that one close-up screenshot of Eyedentify.

That, my friends, is just proof of how fucked up this EG hype is. I thought this website was above this sort of shit.

Startling detail my ass. Jesus fucking christ.

Tell me Tom. How much did your integrity cost? Out with the old and in with the new. The new way things get done. Why deny, why resist? Impartiality is such an ugly word in the cruel financial world.

Noone here can REALLY believe Killzone is ingame. I'm serious. Maybe it will look that good (I'd love to eat my words about this) - but that was pre rendered, a video, anything but actual ingame footage. Anyone who believes other wise really needs help.

Reading that 'article' took me back to my secondary school days; not a hint of irony. The colours are very very pretty I'll admit.

First time at E3 boys? Or just first time you've seen a new console presentation. Wipe yer pants and start the journalism tomorrow.

Edit: sp :/

Yes, journalism. That's a polymorphic word if ever one did change.

I'm not sure if there's a heaven or hell; for this bizarre world the concept seems to me to be far too narrow in scope. What remains to judge but your own worth of achievement?

And recently like Blake / You have been discover'd / By the layman's canvass scanning technique / Chipping away your private fashion / Dismiss three year's hard labour / By Sony's whim, you are directed.

Exeunt]

i won't deny for a second that the press conference videos aren't impressive - ingame or not - its just a shame i, for once, can not say such a thing about Eurogamer's journalism on this particular occasion.

i'll wait till i see true undeniable in-game footage of at least 3 PS3 games before getting so childishly excited as Tom has gotten over these videos.

that said, the Killing Day video looks to be in-game and is impressive, just not to the extent of the Killzone clip or even to an extent that would put the X360 Fps's to shame like they supposedly (such is the hype) should.

Have you SEEN the UT engine stuff? (PS3:UT2007, X360:Gears of war) I think my PC may just be a wordprocessing box soon...

Killzone 2 looked amazing even if it was obviously too impressive and polished to be actual ingame stuff...

MotorStorm looked awesome too but again it looked more like a cutscene.

Overall, some impressive looking visuals but I'd have been more convinced by actual ingame footage like that shown from Killing Day.