80-player WOW battleground detailed Comments by Oli Welsh

So a PvP battleground that seems to be a cross between the horrendous lag of wintergrasp and the PVE fest Alterac Valley? Genius...

Doubt it will ever be as good or as fresh as AV was in vanilla WoW. Resiliance, overpowered immunites have imbalanced the game so much to the point that;

1) Its harder to get kills
2) Its slower
3) New rewards are harder to achieve due to higher cost
4) PVP progression is reduced

WoW pvp has got slower and the rewards are harder to obtain, even though players are stronger, adding a new battleground won't change that fundamental problem ...

There's one major problem in a nutshell. It's all about self reward and means nothing overall. Factions are meaningless.

Not sure I can remember a time when PvP gear was easier to obtain, Nephirion. Especially with the WG daily quest giving stupid honor for very little effort until recently.

I'm all up for an 80 player large scale BG, but I can't say I know a single person that likes the vehicles of WG/SoTA. I hope they get it right.

Your right, Faction is now meaningless in WoW but it also means the devs only need to build one city instead of two, even better pull up a bunch of old content like naxx and cut and paste it into new zones and call it new content. WoW has become about cutting corners as if they realise its days are finally numbered and work on WoW 2.0 needs to progress full steam ahead. Wintergrasp is a prime example of how tired stretched the engine has become and also how badly we need a new one.

The PVP gear from dailys can never match arena gear which is what i would describe as " proper " pvp gear. When i say PVP gear I just dont mean BG but Arena also.

Hopefully it won't be like the "new" AV where "enemies" just run past each other, wave at the other group in the middle of the map and proceed to slaughter the last NPC "boss". PvP in WoW is a total joke...

"Hopefully it won't be like the "new" AV where "enemies" just run past each other, wave at the other group in the middle of the map and proceed to slaughter the last NPC "boss". PvP in WoW is a total joke... "

The Devs have already said that you can do just that but claim you won't be able to defeat the boss without taking at least one objective - so I'm guessing it will boil down to grabbing the first objective on the way to the boss, then steamrolling him for the win.

And vehicles are just Blizzard's way of making balance easy. When all you can press are 3 buttons the game becomes simple to develop... and boring to play.

8 reactions and 8 of them are negative.

If only a community of whiners was in charge of development, instead of the most talented developers out there.

To WoW is to whinge. I like to be as positive as I can but it just sounds like a rehash of AV, and AV is pretty rubbish.

Just ban Pallies.

Not sure how reinforcements stopped players spawning in AV.

ZZZZEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG.

Well I for one am really looking forward to this :)

"If only a community of whiners was in charge of development, instead of the most talented developers out there. "

Loled in real-life there. Seriously.

Blizzard are a competent developer, for sure, but the best? Imbalanced gameplay along lack of depth and creativity would beg to differ.

Also, towards the PvP reward comments: Taking part in current WoW PvP equals huge reward for minimal effort - this is as close to a fact as someone can say without actually stating it as fact. Those of us who played WoW since launch will remember the days when the only way to obtain high-quality rewards in PvP was to constantly farm BGs all day long (basically, to be unemployed). I actually preferred it that way even though I never had nor wanted to spend that amount of time in PvP purely because it meant there was an overall goal and achievement to be had, as opposed to every player in the game having the best PvP gear within the span of a few weeks. There's just no features to distinguish players in WoW anymore.

Anyway, whenever I play WoW these days the prospect of PvP is unattractive me due to several reasons (foul-mouthed players; unbalanced gameplay; non-skill reliant gameplay; lag due to amount of players on server etc... ), however, another BG similar to Alterac Valley sounds like a good move since that is certainly the most enjoyable of all PvP experiences.

Imbalanced gameplay along lack of depth and creativity would beg to differ.

As far as I know, Blizzard developed a game called StarCraft back in the days, not sure how much that game is affected by imbalance.

Having recently played AoC for a month and just buying EQ2 on the Steam weekend deal i realised just how good WoW really is and promptly re-subbed.

My friend plays WoW, mostly Naax raids. 80 PvP sounds alright, but the last time I played battle grounds there was a goddamn twink, whatever that is.

It's only when you leave WoW you realise how suck ass now it really is ...

It's more of the same, which is understandable given the continued popularity.

Really need Old Republic or some other big new mmos to come out and give them a big push. I still recall all the blue WoW dev posts after WAR was near release making big pvp promises, although when WAR flopped nothing happened.

This is always a problem with lack of competition, businesses naturally take their foot off the pedal.

Hamflank: As far as I know, Blizzard developed a game called StarCraft back in the days, not sure how much that game is affected by imbalance.

Oh snap! ^_~