360 will outsell PS3 this year, says MS

By Ellie Gibson Published 16 October, 2009

Reckons Slim bump will be "short term".

Microsoft mouthpiece Aaron Greenberg has said the company is confident Xbox 360 will outsell PS3 this year, even if that wasn't the case last month.

"When NPD releases September sales later today, we fully expect PlayStation 3 will come in as the console with the most units sold for the month," Greenberg told Game Informer.

"This is frankly not a real surprise to us or the analysts that follow this industry, as it is typical to see a short term bump following the introduction of new hardware and pricing into the marketplace," he said, referring to the 1st September release of PS3 Slim.

"What I can tell you is we remain confident that Xbox 360 will not only outsell PS3 for the full calendar year, but for this entire generation. It is similar to a game of baseball, it is not about just winning one inning, but instead being able to win the game by consistently delivering across all nine innings."

According to Greenberg, it's not all about numbers - it's also about "the entire ecosystem and investing in the future". And more importantly, money.

"Sony, for example, has publicly noted that they lose money on every console they sell and with the price cut, they’re now losing even more money," He said. "So even with the PS3 in the market today at $299, you have to question if their business model is sustainable." Ooh burn.

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  • macksed #1 3 years ago

    Not that I particularly care about the console war, does MS really think that a massive corporation like sony would have a business plan that even if successful will run them into the ground? Bad PR and over-expectations are one thing but that would be pretty shocking...
    Edited by macksed at 16/10/09 @ 09:02

  • GamesConnoisseur #2 3 years ago

    The comments is primarily aimed at the shareholders and stock market rather than us consumers obviously! Sony will say the same and predictable response from a competitor regarding their rival doing well.

    Good for Sony and whatever happens at end, MS did reasonably well so far to get to the position.

  • Fubdub #3 3 years ago

    This is just prespin for NPD, nothing to see here, Sony does it as well when the numbers goes against. Nintendo hasn't really needed it this gen, but I'm sure they wouldn't hold back.

  • duckncover #4 3 years ago

    Is that because most peoples 3 year warranty is running out so they need to buy replacements?

    Joke! Joke!

    Just couldn't resist :)

  • kendoji #5 3 years ago

    Microsoft make a console that blows up, Sony's costs three times as much and they still lose money on every unit, and Nintendo comes out the winner with mid-90s graphics and no games.

    It's an interesting hardware generation.

  • muscleblade #6 3 years ago

    Its nice that none of them dominate the market as competition is good for the consumers. Now that the PS3 has a few very good exclusives i think the consoles are getting a little closer to each other. The 360 is the better choice of the two for most gamers with an internet connection that can afford live and more than a couple of games a year. For gamers that doesnt need more than a few games and doesnt play much online the PS3 is just as good as the 360 i believe. It took some time to get there though.

  • Vice.Destroyer #7 3 years ago

    Is it wrong to say that I think Greenberg has actually made a very good point in his biased rant? it's not all about numbers - it's also about "the entire ecosystem and investing in the future".

    My xbox has quite a few features I don't mind spending MS points on. Apart from avatar outfits.

  • peterfll #8 3 years ago

    He's conveniently forgetting the massive amount of that MS shelled out due to the RROD fiasco... how much profit has MS made on selling the 360 hardware?

  • Spydy #9 3 years ago

    Sounds like MS have been rattled. You don't make comments like that for no reason. Maybe they've seen the numbers are doing some early damage control?

  • man.the.king #10 3 years ago

    @muscleblade

    "For gamers that doesnt need more than a few games and doesnt play much online the PS3 is just as good as the 360 i believe."

    That's your opinion and you are entitled to it - that doesn't make it fact, however. From where I stand, I play lots of games on the PS3, and from what I've seen, the PS3 online is pretty effective and healthy.

    I'll say this however (and this is addressed to everybody): don't let your love/preference for any one platform/company preclude you from trying out other stuff (with an open mind).

  • Bealsy #11 3 years ago

    Aaah, some Friday morning corporate willy waving, why don't Sony and MS just have sex and get it over with.

  • youhavenomail #12 3 years ago

    Microsoft really like to stoke those fanboy fires, don't they? Reggie and Nintendo are like 'yeah, whatever, you keep being proud of your silver medal'.

  • penhalion #13 3 years ago

    Though I disagree about 360 out-selling this year. I do think that Sony seem to have a really strange business strategy. The PS3 slim is still loosing them money yet is apparently quite a bit cheaper to produce. This puts them in a good position to eventually make some profit.

    Then they go and throw money away with the PSPGo. It really is like they are on some peverse path to self distruction. If they were serious about the PSP, they would simply have converted it to cartridge based. Cheap, user friendly and easy to produce. No hastle with shops who would happily sell the cartridges. No hastle with customers who would buy and trade them in large numbers. A PSPGo form factor with a DS sized cartridge and support for mini downloads. How the frak did they miss that...seriously!

    It makes no frakin' sense!

  • GamerG #14 3 years ago

    @macksed

    I disagree, Sony may have cut the price not with the intention of making the console profitable in the future but because they want to stay in the market for future generations.

    If Sony had gone into the Holiday @ $399 as they did last year they would have gotten even more mullured than they did last year which may have ended up them losing them so much mindshare it would have been impossible for them to recover the following generation. Also developers were crying out for pricecuts, if Sony had ignored them they may have seen companies dropping support for the PS3 exacerberating their problem.

  • miiiguel #15 3 years ago

    You don't make comments like that for no reason.

    Maybe he made a comment like that because Gameinformer asked, in an interview: "This will be the first holiday season this generation that Sony and Microsoft will be competing with similar price points—not to mention the Wii’s new price cut. How much of a concern is that for Microsoft?"

  • rotmm #16 3 years ago

    @Vice.Destroyer, "My xbox has quite a few features I don't mind spending MS points on. Apart from avatar outfits."

    To my eternal shame, I actually bought an item of clothing for my avatar.

    I'm still struggling to come to terms with it. :(

  • Antaios #17 3 years ago

    Throwing mud like kids in a sandbox. Do your thing, make consoles, cram out games, stop putting out these childish statements, no-one cares.

  • Edwin #18 3 years ago

    As a gamer, I really couldn't give a flaming monkeys ass covered in butter and spanked with a wet cod about who sales more this gen.... I care about games, games and games..... just release decent games and keep the willy waving in the boardroom. It is all very tedious now.

  • NotSoSlim #19 3 years ago

    @penhalion

    Pspgo cost same if not less to produce than 3000!! So they actually make money imo

  • onyxbox #20 3 years ago

    Like someone else said... this is just Damage Control regarding shareholders.

    The last thing MS want is for shareholders to think the tide is turning so they're doing what any company in the world would do and issue some statements to calm the fires and maintain confidence.

    All this competition is good for us (I think) as long as we don't get wrapped up in the whole '360 > PS3 or PS3 > 360' crap.

  • NotSoSlim #21 3 years ago

    MS must mean US only because they seem to be forgetting FF in Japan by years end

  • Gaol #22 3 years ago

    "If they were serious about the PSP, they would simply have converted it to cartridge based. Cheap, user friendly and easy to produce."

    1Gb carts that are cheap to produce??? 0,O

  • Madafunkola #23 3 years ago

    What on earth is this "Base Ball" he is talking about?

  • Peew971 #24 3 years ago

    To be fair to the guy, as far as games go Sony has to rely on Uncharted 2 to do well (Ratchek and Clank might be good but isn't a system seller) whereas Microsoft can count on ODST, Forza 3, GTA IV LCE, L4D2 and the fact that most people will get MW2 on 360 (not to mention that MW2 branded Elite).
    So yes, they may well outsell PS3 this year. Long term is another story, we're not there yet.
    Edited by Peew971 at 16/10/09 @ 10:25

  • muscleblade #25 3 years ago

    "don't let your love/preference for any one platform/company preclude you from trying out other stuff (with an open mind). "

    +1 to that. But have you really tried the 360s Live service and games?
    Of course i have tried the PS3 and home or i wouldnt have made a statement like i did. I dont have a love/preference for any platform or company. I do however have a love/preference for the best platform. Next gen it might be a Nintendo or Sony console that delivers what i want. This gen i think without doubt that the 360 is best. I dont get how anyone can prefer a company over another unless they work there. If anything i prefer Nintendo as a company but i dont think the Wii is the best console with the best online service or games. If Sony or Nintendo made the 360 i would still prefer the 360. the company has nothing to do with it!!!! Rant over.

  • VMerken #26 3 years ago

    Snarrrrllll! Fccccchhhh!

    So after Nintendo and MicroSoft, it's only more than fair that the open mic is handed to this year's Sony Fat Cat for his share of pointless, corporate hissing.

  • twyford #27 3 years ago

    I think people sometimes over estimate Sony's financial position. Microsoft have a market capital of $238billion compared to Sony at a mere $29.32billion and with almost every division of Sony currently making a loss, as it did last year, Sony surely can't sustain that for to long. So to answer Macksed, I guess Sony don't have the best business plan going right now.

  • TopKatt #28 3 years ago

    I predict that when this generation is over the 360 will have outsold the PS3 in America while the PS3 will outsell the 360 in Japan and Europe. Actually, I might pop down to paddy power later and put a tenner on it.
    Edited by TopKatt at 16/10/09 @ 10:08

  • thegamesthething #29 3 years ago

    Your dad might currently be bigger than my dad, but it's a blip. I am confident that, over the complete dad life cycle, my dad will be bigger than your dad.

  • TopKatt #30 3 years ago

    ^^

    Your dad might be bigger in some regions, but my dads bigger than yours in others. ;)

  • davisorle #31 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 20:44:35 16-04-2012

  • Peew971 #32 3 years ago

    "Your dad might be bigger in some regions, but my dads bigger than yours in others. ;)"

    /remembers "my dad" chat in Rush Hour :)

  • Darren #33 3 years ago

    Yawn... anyone else tired of this "Xbox 360 will outsell PS3" and "PS3 will outsell Xbox 360" thing, which only Microsoft and Sony seem to care about?

    Hey, Microsoft and Sony, how about claiming your consoles will outsell the Wii this year, eh? Now there's a worthy challenge. What's that... you don't stand a cat-in-hell's chance of doing that? Well shut up then!!! ;)

  • crazyhorse174 #34 3 years ago

    @penhalion

    Pspgo cost same if not less to produce than 3000!! So they actually make money imo

    Thats all fair and well, but if no-one buys the thing (or cant buy it coz nowhere is selling it) then they wont make any money from it.

  • DevilsNeverCry #35 3 years ago

    Lol it's just PR spin dudes.

    MS know Sony are more powerful now (powerlevel over 9000) and this is just competetive talk - expect Sony to have something similar by monday.

    Both consoles offer something unique and regardless of what xbots say, PSN is a very FIRM platform and offers plenty of choice for consumers. XBL may still have the edge slightly but it's a much older format, more refinements, not to mention MS are PC giants. All I'm saying is, both are great, everyone sould have both xD

  • GreyBeard #36 3 years ago

    I just think its a bit ironic that Greenberg is pooh-poohing the value of Sony's price cutting when the big difference maker for the 360 last year was when they dropped its price. Before that PS3 and 360 were pretty close sales-wise for the year.

  • Spekingur #37 3 years ago

    @Gaol: Yes, it's is cheap to make 1Gb cartridges. Heck, you can get 2-4gb memory cards for less than 10GBP. That would mean it has become cheap to make and thus should be "easily" intergrated into a cartridge. Theoretically at least.

  • Chazmeister #38 3 years ago

    Ohhhh thats a dangerous boast for any of the consoles corporate suits to make. There could be some egg on faces come next year, maybe.

  • ZeroAX #39 3 years ago

    funny how he talks about sony losing money on the ps3. wasn't this guy around ms during 2001-2006 when they only lost money on the xbox business?

  • space_ace #40 3 years ago

    ps3's chances are slim

  • GreyBeard #41 3 years ago

    @insane_cobra

    I dunno man, looking at the NPD figures and the 360's release calender over the past year you have to give a lot of credit to the price-drop for sustaining demand. I'm not saying having huge exclusives like L4D haven't played a big part in MS success over the last 12 months, but 360's sales held up much better than expected over the recession I think largely because they offered a better value proposition (hateful term, I know) than either Nintendo or Sony.

    Now that Sony has put themselves on a more equal footing I can see them doing much better, not neccessarily better enough to outsell 360 over the rest of the financial year, but I do think demand will be consistently higher.

  • PoundHound #42 3 years ago

    @muscleblade # 27 -

    +1

    I've been playing the 360 since launch. Unlike the last generation of consoles where I had all 3 (or 4 if you include the Dreamcast), this time round I've stuck to 1. That was until Tuesday when I bought a PS3. The new "slim" model with 250Gb HDD seemed too good to be true in all honesty. Sadly I've found myself enormously let down by the PS3. I've a fairly lengthy list of gripes which I won't go into, and while I still have to give the PS3 a bit more of a chance (starting with Uncharted 2 today), to my mind the 360 is vastly superior to the PS3 and, RRod aside, deserves to outsell it.
    Edited by PoundHound at 16/10/09 @ 12:18

  • TopKatt #43 3 years ago

    @Poundhound

    It is horses for course though. I actually got a 360 before my PS3. Last gen I had a PS2 and an Xbox. But I found a long list of gripes I had with the 360 and ended up selling it on ebay. I honestly don't believe that either of these consoles is quantifiably better than the other rather it comes down to exactly what you're looking for ina console.
    Edited by TopKatt at 16/10/09 @ 12:34

  • MeBrains #44 3 years ago

    of course 360 will outsell PS3 this year! you do not even need half a brain to say so. certainly not if you supposedly only tell this about the US market & when you tell it a meagre two months before the year's over... sheez...

    @topkatt: you probably read that here didn't you? :|

  • Vice.Destroyer #45 3 years ago

    @rotmm

    Don't worry. The second they produce a Batman suit for the avatars, I will spend money on virtual clothing for my avatar. I will be a chump, but I will be a chump with a Batman suit, dammit.

  • GreyBeard #46 3 years ago

    @insane_cobra

    agreed. +1

  • xentar #47 3 years ago

    well, I couldnt care less. Its good to have competition and thats all. I bought PS3 recently because of the BR drive and I am happy with my decision even I was considering Xbox for a long long time and i even had one at home for few weeks to test it. The only thing this generation taught me is that I shouldnt have invested so heavily into my PC, its nothing more than a file server since i bought the PS3

  • Diomedes #48 3 years ago

    360 Outselling PS3 this year?

    Pretty doubtful ,they have only managed after shipment data some 300K units more in the two first quarters with a big price advantage and all that and more was taken by the Slim first week...and the Slim continues to outsell the 360 weekly worlwide.The december numbers ,with FFXIII in Japan ,will be even worse.

    As for Sony strategy ,they said they still lost some money on each console ...but evidently less that with the old model.If they were still selling it at 399 they would be making profit but dropping the price they are still in red ....probably not by much.And that is compensated with the increased software sales and BD penetration.Its a business approach that may work ,you only need all the data (and Sony has it ) to figure it out and not only some partial data as "they are still losing money on hardware".

    For the PSP Go its a win-win situation for Sony.First it doesnt have to replace the PSP3000 (and some day 4000) model,that will keep selling.Second it has a high price and lower cost(smaller ,UMD-less ,etc),so each sale must mean a lot of money for the store and Sony.Finally,its digital only approach means revenue coming from each of this device sold without having to worry about piracy and the hordes of PSP owners without a single original game bought.

    That said ,the PSP Go wont make strides in the market.But for what it is ,a niche machine ,from a financial point of view its a joy for Sony each device sold and used is pure money.

  • Mnia786 #49 3 years ago

    More like because the slim was not released until the 9th month of the year...
    MS love to badmouth the competition but cant say shit about their own crappy hardware

  • funkateer #50 3 years ago

    Ah, one company claiming to be better than the competition. How surprising.

  • Lord_Gremlin #51 3 years ago

    How pathetic. Of course, I understand that he wants to calm down shareholders. The truth is - xbox 360 now has only disadvantages, compared to PS3. And they do little to improve it's status.

  • LilithsCurves #52 3 years ago

    Outselling in the US? very possible since they have done a lot better then the PS3 earlier in the year, OVER There. In Europe? No, they will not. In Worldwide sales? PS3 is already leading this year quite a bit and is outselling the xbox 360 now every week in a ratio of about 3:2. but who knows, maybe they will cut the price, then, if sony does not, it could possibly, maybe with luck do it.

    In some minds, ideas and feelings become a universal truth which they have to bring out to their fellow gamers. ...becomes "And how stupid must those people be that they don't see how right i am?"

  • Geordiemp #53 3 years ago

    I rekon the will both sell the same eventually - why buy a new Ps3 game when you can get an xbox and lots of cheap games like crackdown and Halo3. Also why buy a new Xbox game when you can get MGS4 and Uncharted or Ratchet cheap ?

    They will only pull away from each other when they distinguish themselves - what will take off, the magic ball light wand or Natal...?

  • layleeloo #54 3 years ago

    @Geordiemp

    "you can get an xbox and lots of cheap games like crackdown and Halo3. Also why buy a new Xbox game when you can get MGS4 and Uncharted or Ratchet cheap ?"

    Good point made! I have all 5 major consoles and to be honest, who gives a shite which is "supposedly" better. They all have their advantages via their exclusives, which is why I have them all so I am not limited by being tied to, and trolling about one platform

  • tufty #55 3 years ago

    Frankly, I am pissed off that I had to buy a PS3 to play LBP, Uncharted and other system exclusives. Nothing against the PS3, but I already have a powerful console. As someone who enjoys the medium, I don't want to miss such large titles, some of which are so important that they enter the cultural landscape.

    Imagine if movies only played on specific brands of TVs!

    So, exclusivity sucks... (but then, often, the exclusives are the best games, carefully tended to put the hardware in the best possible light).

  • sarcasmoidosis #56 3 years ago

    "MS guy says MS will win - part 3" is it?

    Next year's line-up might coerce me into finally buying a PS3 and, regardless of what Greenberg says, so will many other people.

  • NotSoSlim #57 3 years ago

    @Donnie

    I guess MS seem to forget FF is coming out in decemeber in Japan as well as Tekken(tho thats on 360 as well) Japan will have a much larger say this year in the total consoles sold as well as next year.

  • stevethemeat #58 3 years ago

    i picked up a 250 gig slim last week from gamestation, got to say im glad i did, the online service is pretty good, and it has better media features than my 360.

  • Les #59 3 years ago

    "It is similar to a game of baseball, it is not about just winning one inning, but instead being able to win the game by consistently delivering across all nine innings"

    Don't really get the baseball reference. Things can go horribly wrong in the later innings. If there's any game that ain't over 'till it's over, it's baseball. He should have referenced a boring sport like F1 or something: if you lead after the first corner, you're pretty much guaranteed to win the race... ;)

  • uzivatel #60 3 years ago

    Seems like PS3 won the September NPD, but the sales were generally poor making Microsoft believe they have enough headstart this year.

  • man.the.king #61 3 years ago

    @muscleblade

    "But have you really tried the 360s Live service and games?"

    Of course I have! I have a 360 (since March 2006, bought if off Amazon - you can look at my EG profile if you want to find out which 360 games I've played and own), it's still running strong (no failures - primarily because I take good care of all my tech gadgets and I always rtfm :) ), and have played all the major 360 games. I used the Gold XBL for a year and another quarter before I got tired of paying for online service which I could get elsewhere for free. As far as I am concerned, the extra stuff that XBL offers (like cross-game chat, for example) isn't a deal-winner for me. For me PSN online offers nearly as much as XBL, and that's without the price of a (nearly) brand-new game, so I am perfectly satisfied with PSN.

    I also have a PS3(bought Feb 2007) and a Wii (bought Aug 2008).

    "I do however have a love/preference for the best platform...i think without doubt that the 360 is best"

    As I stated earlier, that is your opinion, and you are, of course, entitled to it. The best platform bit is still subjective, however, and from my perspective, that would be the PS3/PSN. However, as I implied earlier, that doesn't stop me from buying, enjoying or appreciating 360 exclusives or its online.
    Edited by man.the.king at 18/10/09 @ 07:48

  • des #62 3 years ago

    I just find it funny how Sony went from console leader to laughing stock for everyone,even Nintendo is like,yeah Sonylol...but they sure have lots of angry fans

  • MeBrains #63 3 years ago

    also, donnie and des (do they make a nice couple!) should remember that 360's perceived outselling of PS3 is only because of the former strength's in the States.

  • MeBrains #64 3 years ago

    again: donnie and des (do they make a nice couple!) should remember that 360's perceived outselling of PS3 is only because of the former strength's in the States. ONLY. In the other two regions, it has decreased its lead.

  • des #65 3 years ago

    Its funny how some MS PR can make Sony fans so angry...also using vgcharts(made up numbers) and trying to be rational is total fail.
    Wii is last gen?lol...keep them coming...i guess DS is last gen also,so PSP is competing only with itself and PSPGo.

  • Nephirion #66 3 years ago

    I think its more about exclusives, MS doesn't have anything as good as Uncharted on its platform at the moment which will undoubtedly drive sales. MS have had the advantage of being first in with their console no doubt they have been busy tying up exclusives long before the PS3 was released also MS can afford to sell the 360 hardware as a loss leader early on due to charging in many other areas Sony provide for free. I wouldn't write Sony of just yet :p

  • TRUTH #67 3 years ago

    I couldn't careless about exclusives any more as most of the games I've enjoyed have been multiformat: Batman AA, Bioshick, GTA IV, Oblivion, The Orange Box, Fight Night 4, Fallout 3, Blueblaze, Dead Space and with games soon like Deus Ex, Theif, Dead Rising 2, Lost Planet, Assassin Creed II, Rage, Final Fantasy, Rage, R.U.S.E, etc; all pushing the graphical boundaries and gameplay further - it really does not bother me if one or two exclusives appear on certain console - now it would really have to be beyond what multiformat games can't provide me!...i don't think exclusives now don't cut it as it did when Sony PS2 had all the big names GTA, Devil may Cry, Tekken, Final Fantasy etc etc that where all the driving sales for PS2, even though there was not much competition for consoles (Gamecube (now known as Wii) did not have the appeal to keep it selling, Xbox came rather late, Dreamcast sadly lost to all the Sony hype way to early) - but now sales for consoles are driven by more franchise/common known games, more multiformats games, more commercial games that sell consoles...If you can get GTA, COD, MW, Fifa, Burnout, Resident Evil, Tekken, PES, Street Fighter etc etc on a console and plays the same (and fairly sometimes better) on the cheaper console this is more likely to be the deciding factor rather then exclusives...Halo, Uncharted, Splinter Cell Convection, Rachet & Clank, GT 5, Forza 3 all will sell to consoles to some degree...but names like COD, Resident Evil, Assassin Creed, Fifa, PES, Fight Night, UFC, etc are the major sellers for console buyers
    Edited by TRUTH at 18/10/09 @ 00:34

  • bioreit #68 3 years ago

    @semitope

    Much as I usually disagree with donnie on, well, everything, his last point about Sony's massive install base is actually a very good one and by dismissing it out of hand as being irrelevant "unless all those PS2 players... were fanboys" shows a fair lack of understanding about brand recognition and familiarity amongst 'normal' consumers.

    The regular, normal Argos-shopping folk will usually make one of two choices when buying something fairly expensive and technological: either go with what's the absolute cheapest model - own brand LCD TVs, Medion Laptops from ALDI - or go with what they 'know' to be good - Sony TVs*, Hoover vacuum cleaners - regardless of whether those particular models are actually any good, simply because "Well, it's a Sony/Hoover, innit".

    The general public would never even entertain the thought that a brilliant HP laptop bought five years ago and still going strong was not indicative of the brand as a whole. And if you still have difficulty in believing that non-fanboys wouldn't exhibit this kind of characteristic, take a look at football fans, label-conscious clothes wearers, women with handbags, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

    Brand loyalty is everywhere and it's establishment and maintenance within the minds of the general public is the holy grail of any marketing company the world over.

    *please note, my use of Sony as an example company regarding the production of supposed high quality TVs that may or may not turn out to be otherwise is not an indictment of Sony's manufacturing processes nor an extension of any kind of console fanboyism into other realms of technology, but rather was used because Sony was widely acknowledged as a safe bet for buying items such as TVs, HiFis, etc for a period of well over a decade but is sadly no longer the case.

  • MeBrains #69 3 years ago

    @des: "Its funny how some MS PR can make Sony fans so angry...also using vgcharts(made up numbers) and trying to be rational is total fail."

    to me it certainly is not MS's PR which annoys me (- much like Sony's doesn't nor Ninty's). In fact I do respect MS a lot and some parts of 360, as well as admit it has great games. What makes me "angry" is some guys taking each and every opportunity to bash Sony - even though they disregard some facts.

    vgchartz uses the same numbers the industry uses: NPD, charttrack, Mediacreate etc. Are these wrong as well? with VGC now saying on their home page that Sony sold 25m, MS sold 32.5m and Wii 54m and if these are wrong like you say. What are the correct numbers then?
    Edited by MeBrains at 18/10/09 @ 10:10

  • Nephirion #70 3 years ago

    If MS claim they have so much market share etc I would like to ask the PR guy why Left 4 dead free updates are repackaged and sold as DLC on Live service?

  • Lemming81 #71 3 years ago

    ""Sony, for example, has publicly noted that they lose money on every console they sell and with the price cut, they’re now losing even more money," He said. "So even with the PS3 in the market today at $299, you have to question if their business model is sustainable."

    That's bollocks. They noted that at the console's launch which, I might add, is the MS business model as well. The Slim doesn't cost them any more to make, it costs them less because the same components are now cheaper and smaller than they were two years ago. hence the price drop and resizing. At the most, it costs Sony the same amount of money as it did before, or they wouldn't have bothered.


    If you wanted to take it further, you could argue it costs them as a company far less because their console isn't being handed out as warranty freebies every six months. :p

  • Kryon #72 3 years ago

    Aaron Greenberg is absolutely correct, there's no doubt that new hardware/price cut will bump up sales temporarily but when all is said and done the 360 will prevail. Making the PS3 smaller and slapping on a slightly less ridiculous price (which is still ridiculous IMO) isn't going to change the fact that the 360 is in general the better gaming machine at a better price.

  • SeesThroughAll #73 3 years ago

    BUY AMERICAN

  • Les #74 3 years ago

    "Brand loyalty is everywhere"

    Which isn't really amazing as our minds are built (= have evolved) to base conclusions on incomplete information... Past results are no guarantee for the future but in general they're the most efficient predictor that we have.

  • Nephirion #75 3 years ago

    Would you buy an American car over a Japanese one, no? exactly...

  • bioreit #76 3 years ago

    @Nephirior

    If I was after a muscle car, then yes, I would buy an American car instead of a Japanese one.

    If was after a big off-road 4*4 to convert into a fuel cell green machine, then yes, I would buy an American car instead of a Japanese machine.

    There are different choices because people, you know, want different things. Difficult concept for you to get your head around, I know....