360 outselling PS3 since GTA IV launch

By Kristan Reed Published 29 May, 2008

Sony still ahead this year, says Chart-Track.

Sales of Xbox 360 consoles are 18 per cent ahead of the PlayStation 3 in the UK since the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV, Chart-Track told Eurogamer today.

In even better news for Microsoft, official GTA IV sales figures for the first four weeks also reveal that the Xbox 360 is the format of choice for UK gamers, with 57 per cent of the total sales of the game on 360, compared to 43 per cent on PS3.

Current Chart-Track panel figures place sales of the game in the UK at over 1.3 million, meaning around 750,000 copies have shifted on Xbox 360, and around 570,000 on PS3. To put that into context, in under four weeks Rockstar’s opus has shifted almost as many copies as last year’s best-seller, FIFA 08 - a game which launched on every format under the sun.

The effect on driving hardware sales has also been more dramatic on 360 than PS3, according to Chart-Track’s figures. Comparing sales of both consoles for the four weeks prior to GTA IV’s launch to the four weeks since its launch, hardware units have risen on 360 by 47 per cent, compared to just eight per cent on PS3 - though it’s fair to point out that the release of GT 5 Prologue had already given PS3 a significant boost in the weeks leading up to GTA IV’s debut.

Looking at the year to date, the picture looks much rosier for Sony. Taking all 21 weeks of 2008 into account, sales of PlayStation 3 in the UK are 10 per cent ahead of Xbox 360. Prior to the launch of GTA IV, the PS3 boasted a 20 per cent lead on 360, so the gap is narrowing.

With exclusive downloadable content due on Xbox 360 later this year, it looks like this might be the deciding factor for many. But will it be worth the huge sums Microsoft paid Take 2? Let us know what you think.

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  • Lexx87 #1 4 years ago

    I don't care if it wasn't worth the price they paid, just as long as we don't get shafted with the price we'll have to pay

  • Kill_Crazy #2 4 years ago

    DILLIGAF

  • Dizzy #3 4 years ago

    >But will it be worth the huge sums Microsoft paid Take 2?

    Well that download will not be free.. so if they get 1-2M downloads the investment will be worth it (break even on the DLC and more marketing visibility).

    Also.. do we gamers care? We get DLC for a great game. If somebody pays for that... more power to us ;)
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 10:49

  • DutchDemons #4 4 years ago

    But will it be worth the huge sums Microsoft paid Take 2? Let us know what you think.

    yes...please do

  • spammage #5 4 years ago

    I don't either.

  • Wash #6 4 years ago

    Prolly, hopefully it'll freshen up the game somehow. Maybe something to do in multiplayer.

  • Monkey_Puncher #7 4 years ago

    I couldn't give a hoot how much money Microsoft make, they're hardly short of cash. What's in these downloadable episodes is what really interests me, I'm bound to buy it whatever as I absoloutly love GTA IV, but it would be nice to get my moneys worth.

  • The-Bodybuilder #8 4 years ago

    >"Let us know what you think."

    You'd like that, wouldn't you? What with the website hit 'n' all.

  • Widge #9 4 years ago

    The 3rd island in the game is rather devoid of locations to visit, I wonder if they'll bang in a few more shops and stuff? More shows at the club and comedy store too.

  • CannonAnBall #10 4 years ago

    When you want to play GTAIV and have neither console which one are you going to go for? The one priced at about £300 or the one with an entry level priced at £150? Interesting to see which type of hardware was shifted by Microsoft.

  • lambtron #11 4 years ago

    There is an ominous silence from all the people who said this would never sell on a non-sony platform...

  • jonsaan #12 4 years ago

    Will anyone still be playing GTA when the exclusive content launches?

  • bengray66 #13 4 years ago

    I've given up on GTA, It bugged and i couldn't start missions, then it bugged when the lawyers never call you back for the francis mission, I have no intention of starting again....

  • XdarXideX #14 4 years ago

    lavalant... awesome.

  • bad09 #15 4 years ago

    "Will anyone still be playing GTA when the exclusive content launches?"

    I will!! I love GTA and I still revisit 3, VC & SA even these days - 360 the real home of GTA because you can play all the 3D ones on one console (up yours non B/C PS3!).

    With multiplayer now I'm pretty sure 4 will last me well past the DLC release.

  • muscleblade #16 4 years ago

    I might be done with it by the time the dlc is released, but of course i will start playing it again after a nice break from Liberty City.

  • des #17 4 years ago

    So GTA4 is Playstation franchise,right?lol
    There is no brand loyalty,people just follow games...

    I don't care how much money MS spends or makes on DLC.
    Good DLC=buy
    Bad DLC=no buy

  • Widge #18 4 years ago

    all of the 3d ones, apart from Liberty and Vice City Stories ;)

    *strokes b/c ps3*

    *with long arms since is at work*

    *scratch that, strokes using remote play*
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 11:07

  • bad09 #19 4 years ago

    "43% of sales going to ps3 is amazing considering there are more 360s. had the split of consoles in the uk been 50/50 then the ps3 would have sold more. so it shows even with a smaller base people would still rather have it on a sony platform"


    Or that PS3 owners have less choice of software......

  • Widge #20 4 years ago

    I actually promoted it to the front of my "to buy" pile! I still need to fit in COD4 and Burnout as priority purchases at some point.... all this is to be bumped down the list by MGS4 though. Even though I'm on holiday at the end of the month and should be saving, allowing myself this. Not the £80 version natch.

  • Salvia #21 4 years ago

    "Or that PS3 owners have less choice of software......"

    Or that the 360 is now the chav's choice of console...

  • bad09 #22 4 years ago

    @ Widge

    You got me, git! :)

    You obviously had more money than sense with the price they were asking for the 60gb! I really wish they will announce some emulation software, it's annoying that I have the option to make a PS2 mem card but can't play the games??

  • Psiloc #23 4 years ago

    Won't it be Rockstar who makes the money from the DLC?

  • bad09 #24 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    twat a bit harsh! I'd go with fool much better :)

    Maybe I'm biased as I have both. multi-platform is automatic 360 purchase for me for Live and achievements, which is leaving very little for the old PS3 :(

  • Widge #25 4 years ago

    Well, I did a bit of sifting around for a while, used Quidco too. Remembering the PS2, I knew that eventually there would be a 10p sized, £50 version eventually... although my plans to be a money saver were scrapped when I got an HDTV and after sifting around forums, found out about media streaming with tversity (which is now redundant thanks to divx and media player 10).

    I really wanted something where I could stream media (I was going through a fortune in burnt DVDs etc while watching Lost et al), then there was the bluray aspect... I usually wait for one of my fave big hitters to surface (with the PS2 it was GT3), but decided to grab the RFOM and Motorstorm pack. Good choice it seemed with BC getting canned. Plus just after I got it, Warhawk came out and I've lost about 150 hours of my life to that now!

  • Uncle_Fishboy #26 4 years ago

    but the multiplayer on GTA4 is shit

  • Dizzy #27 4 years ago

    >Won't it be Rockstar who makes the money from the DLC?

    Rumor has it that the 50m was advance payment.. so all the profit of DLC would be MS. Ofc we don't really know ;)

  • XdarXideX #28 4 years ago

    But then you have to factor in the attach rate and how many decent titles are on both consoles.

    I think you'd find that through lack of choice, many a PS3 gamer were craving a good game to play so the majority of them went on to buy GTA4 whereas there are plenty of alternatively good games on the 360 (Not everyone is a fan of GTA just so you guys know).

    GTA is not the deciding factor on what console is more popular. People need to realise this and EG need to stop fanning the flames. I only own a 360 but will most likely be getting a PS3 for MGS4... just so you know... you guys don't start calling me a fanboy because I had something bad to say about the PS3.

    EDIT: Salvia> Don't be an idiot. Anyway, Chavs would steal anything regardless of "cool" factor.
    Edited by 2 at 29/05/08 @ 11:24

  • Widge #29 4 years ago

    The multiplayer isn't so hot is it? Well I'm sure free roam has its merits, but for racing... I'm sure Burnout would be a better choice, when it comes to big up kill fests, I'm heading back to Warhawk. Does the turf and deathmatch thing much better, slicker, faster.

    Its nice to have it than not to have it I suppose.

  • Braincleaner #30 4 years ago

    the fact is, the game is selling, both consoles are selling. together we should be united against those who wish to destroy us and take all this away, i think 100% of gamers should stop arguing (i know it's not on this post yet, but it'll come) about what's the winner or the best, and understand that there are people who want to censor, waterdown or outright ban our games are becoming more that letters in the Daily Mail, it's front page news and in main stream. did anyone read that report the uk government had done(i forget the doctors name) which said games were great to play, pretty much, as it DOES open social and creative aspects of peoples minds and makes then richers humans but kids should be monitored as they play and all the press went "REPORT SAYS GAMES BAD FOR KIDS!!!11" so lets have no fan boys here and lets just all be happy that we're knocking the hell out of hollywoood and it's world of crass remakes and comic book movies.

  • Widge #31 4 years ago

    I find the "craving a good game to play" comment a bit baffling. So far I've had loads of great games to play, so many so that there has not been enough hours for them.

    If there was no GTA4, I'd still be playing the stuff I have. Once through that, there is a stack out there of stuff yet to try.

  • Dizzy #32 4 years ago

    >as it DOES open social and creative aspects of peoples minds and makes then richers humans

    Errr? Check the games on the top 10 chart and come back and say that again here!

  • XdarXideX #33 4 years ago

    Widge> But that doesn't mean it's not true for a lot of people. You are clearly not who I was talking about.

  • bad09 #34 4 years ago

    @ Widge

    Yeah media (and obviously BR!) PS3 wins hands down, which is why I got one in the end. I actually picked up your favourite Warhawk at the weekend and you are right it's a pretty good laugh.

    @ vercetti102

    But, believe it or not, there are people who don't like GTA. Crazy I know but it's true!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 11:28

  • Widge #35 4 years ago

    Beware, once it hooks you, you really lose all your time to it. Plus, I suppose if you like achievements, the game is absolutely crammed with them with all the rankings to earn, ribbons, medals etc. CTF just absorbs my time.

  • MrGilder #36 4 years ago

    I've got both consoles so i'm not bothered - but i do wonder what happens when you compare sales of the both versions against the current install base for each platform?
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 11:32

  • Widge #37 4 years ago

    Bar the Haze and Ninja Gaiden 2 thread, I'm sure this place has become a bit more cuddly of recent. People not really caring whats going on either front as long as good stuff comes out and devs aren't fobbing us off with substandard tosh.

  • chrisjm #38 4 years ago

    0wn3d.

    p.s. we want some info on the dlc more than sales stats.

  • bad09 #39 4 years ago

    @ Widge

    "Bar the Haze and Ninja Gaiden 2 thread, I'm sure this place has become a bit more cuddly of recent. People not really caring whats going on either front as long as good stuff comes out and devs aren't fobbing us off with substandard tosh."

    It's the absence of SDF to get everyone wound up :)

  • XdarXideX #40 4 years ago

    Vercetti - You could also factor in the case that many PS3 owners are of the older generation (and non-"hardcore"gamers I might add) yes. But it's also a matter of choice believe it or not.

    And I'm far from an idiot mate, get off your high horse.

  • BadBoyBonner #41 4 years ago

    Well PS3 Fanboyz can't have it both ways now can they.

    Either the 360 has crappy build quality (which even Microsoft seem to agree with!) - so sales are no indication of install base due to failures - therefore the 360 has a better attach rate than the PS3 for GTA IV due to the PS3 suffering nothing like the rate of failure of the 360.

    OR

    When people are given the choice between paying £200 to play the original, or, £300 to play a solid but less responsive and lower resolution conversion - they plump for the former.

    Nice to see that the masses are finally waking up - or in the alternative - it's horrible to note just how powerful TV advertising can be.

  • timberwolf #42 4 years ago

    i reckon it'll be 5 extra missions each dlc pack, maybe extra cars and if rockstar are feeling cheeky a plane. nothing to write home about... plus gta iv was a dissapoinment anyway, i'd prefer a sticky unsprung camera and more control options over dlc... 20 hour story, finished all except pigeons in 30 hours, 100% by 80... so that's 50% of the game pigeon hunting 'sigh' ... glad i only borrowed it from a friend and dlc won't make me return
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:05

  • bad09 #43 4 years ago

    @ timberwolf

    I disagree, this is rockstar who never let us down when it comes to GTA. Whatever it is it will be something good and more than just a few missions.

  • XdarXideX #44 4 years ago

    The DLC could be shit... but then again it could be worth the 50mill MS apparently paid them for. Unless it's really good, I know I won't be buying it. Need to purchase a PS3 and MGS4 and then survive the proceeding months!

  • Rash' #45 4 years ago

    360 enthusiasts are so quick to jump on to a "victory". It's a narrow percentage lead on a console that practically costs twice as much, with no DLC in the immediate future and a technically inferior version of the game. Unlike Microsoft, who seem so keen to place all their eggs in one basket and then realising the error in their ways throw money at the problem, I don't believe this gen will be decided by one game. 7%. End the console war now!

    Edit: Actually forget that. Bring on MGS4!!!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 11:54

  • bad09 #46 4 years ago

    Rash' who cares who "wins". My fav console last gen was (and still is) the Dreamcast and look how well that did!

    @ vercetti102

    Well that's the thing about opinion, it's always different! Personally I'm loving every second of every mission, well worth the £40!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 11:58

  • Perjoss #47 4 years ago

    "Will anyone still be playing GTA when the exclusive content launches?"

    nope, everyone would have finished for quite some time and had a break from it and ready for more!

  • bad09 #48 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    Ah the Saturn, I only played it never owned one, but remember the green envy I had for X-men COTA :)

  • themorganator #49 4 years ago

    DLC is a key influencing factor for GTA console purchase. If you suggest otherwise, you're a PS3 owner. How anyone could suggest otherwise is beyond me!

    This is one of the best games of the year and more content can only be a good thing! ...... (I do accept that the content needs to be worth purchasing in the first place).

  • WinterSnowblind #50 4 years ago

    Even if the DLC is nothing but a few new single player missions, I'm still on board. The missions in GTA IV were very well done, and almost all of them were very enjoyable. Having any amount of new content will be fantastic, but I think a lot of the PS3 owners are trying to downplay it, more than a little. If they put up new missions for the PS3, could you honestly say you wouldn't be interested? And you have to remember these are two new EPISODES, not missions. Meaning they will likely feature a lot of new missions, as well as new vehicles, weapons and possibly even areas.

    And considering how big the 360 is with it's online support, I wouldn't be surprised if new multiplayer content was added as well.

  • miiiguel #51 4 years ago

    DLC doesnt' matter or it's just a stupid car...
    GTA is bad after all...
    BioSchock is overraterd..., scratch that! it's awesome!
    True HD is the way to go..., HD is not important...

    I mean..., c'mon..., can we have a decision here ?


    Regarding the so called "tiny victiories" of MS: the real question is, if MS wasn't working this hard (it is, accept it!), what would happened to 360 in partcular, and to this gen as a whole ? You ungratefull fellow video-gamers!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:07

  • Rash' #52 4 years ago

    themorganator, 43% of GTA owners disagree with you mate! Myself included.

  • Rash' #53 4 years ago

    miiiguel, It's not us that have to make the decisions for you.

  • timberwolf #54 4 years ago

    20 hour story... i'd prefer a sticky unsprung camera and better controls to dlc... i wanted a sequel as soon as it started

  • miiiguel #55 4 years ago

    "My story" is 89%, and it clocked 92 hours..., so far.

    (Addiction Level: Intervention Time)
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:11

  • BadBoyBonner #56 4 years ago

    Arbiter wrote...

    "One thing that perplexes me is this:

    "Looking at the year to date, the picture looks much rosier for Sony. Taking all 21 weeks of 2008 into account, sales of PlayStation 3 in the UK are 10 per cent ahead of Xbox 360. Prior to the launch of GTA IV, the PS3 boasted a 20 per cent lead on 360, so the gap is narrowing."

    How can an 18% sales increase over 4 weeks cause a 10% shift in a total built up over 21 weeks? Especially when both parties apparently saw unit sales increase month-on-month!"

    Well without the numbers and just looking at percentages it would seem like a bit of a conundrum - but it isn't

    In 4 weeks the 360 reclaimed a loss of 10% that it sustained over 21 weeks - how is that possible?

    Quite simply the sales figures can be split into blocks of approximately 4 weeks - which would give you 100% total of an average months figure going in PS3's favour (20% x 5 months = 100% of average monthly total).

    So to create a shift of 10% you would need to sell 50% (previous average monthly sales)of the missing total.

    Clearly in a GTA IV launch month - sales will be much stronger - so you would be able to reclaim the 50% average back in a month with only half the difference if sales were twice as strong - the key here is knowing the numbers - however you can work it backwards.

    Divide the 50% (required for the 10% shift) by the 18%(monthly increase of 360 over the PS3) = 2.78 or (270%) is the factor in sales increase you would need to have a 10% yearly shift on an 18% gain.

    If the hardware market hasn't increased by at least 278% then an 18% increase in sales would not be able to reduce the lead by 10%.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:15

  • miiiguel #57 4 years ago

    "Go Against a Brand that has +200 million units in the market already, and +15 years old, and shake the whole scene real good in the process" - Achievement Unlocked

  • monkie_king #58 4 years ago

    Speaking of statistics, I wonder if someone could find the correlation between people slagging off GTA/saying they don't care about the DLC in this thread, and PS3 ownership. I've a feeling it would be around the 100% mark.

  • Rash' #59 4 years ago

    miiiguel, Are you serious? As Edge pointed out in it's editorials a number of issues ago, the HD era was rushed to market and though they didn't explicitly point it out I consider Microsoft's contribution in this regard considerable. I'm not greatful in the slightest. As far as I'm concern they've distorted consumer expectations to suit their own agenda's. Why else do so many intelligent, free thinking gamers except the the debacle that is the RROD? The quality of the games? Give me a break.

  • prettyboytim #60 4 years ago

    themorganator: "DLC is a key influencing factor for GTA console purchase. If you suggest otherwise, you're a PS3 owner. How anyone could suggest otherwise is beyond me!"

    Do you really think the bulk of the gaming public out there even know about DLC? Most of these people will probably have played earlier GTAs on their PS2 and now the new one is out they fancy a go and think maybe it's time for a new console.

    I'm guessing the the two big differentiators are:

    a) Price
    b) Playstation brand loyalty - they had a PS2 in the last generation and figure it pays to stick with what they know.

    after that there'll be other considerations like blu-ray etc but I'm guessing the vast majority of people who bought a console to play GTA on had no idea that DLC was even an option.

  • miiiguel #61 4 years ago

    Rash', what about the "real next-gen" and "true HD" (let's forget "4d gaming";) ?

  • drumbaby #62 4 years ago

    How about the Xen of gaming, eh? Eh?!

  • Rash' #63 4 years ago

    miiiguel, That's right a few unharmful "lies" are the same as the insult of having your console taken away from you through no fault of your own. Please, spare me that childish rebuttal.

  • miiiguel #64 4 years ago

    "suit their own agenda's"
    the agenda is to make money, like any company. You're right.

    "debacle that is the RROD?"
    beeing "older" brings nothing, nothing good, believe me. Apart from money..., some of you talk of 200 pounds like it's the end of the world. It's not, for me.

    "The quality of the games?"
    Oh yes!

  • bad09 #65 4 years ago

    @ Rash'

    I'll bite!

    You talk rubbish friend! RROD, so what? I'll say 2 things on that. 3 year warranty and PS2 disk read error.

    Games? you're kidding right? 360 has given us some amazing games since day one. "The quality of the games? Give me a break." is a fanboy statement if ever I saw one.

    What about the rest, Marketplace, voice/text/video chat, achievements, friends list/invites, best all round controller (IMO), and of course (although it's been here since last gen) Live itself, which truly brought online gaming to consoles.

    To say you're not "grateful" shows your fanboy credentials. MS has done so much for console gaming and as a gamer I'm very grateful, god bless 'em.

    / wipes tear of pride from eye
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:35

  • Nithron #66 4 years ago

    Fanboys crack me up.

  • Rash' #67 4 years ago

    miiiguel wrote: "some of you talk of 200 pounds like it's the end of the world. It's not, for me."

    I'm happy for you. Here's a thought then, why not buy a Wii or PS3 and see what it feels like to have a quality hardware rather than quality games, cause we all know neither console will fail to deliver on that count.

  • chris_ace #68 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • BadBoyBonner #69 4 years ago

    Rash'

    I can not agree with MS forcing the HD upon us early - and EDGE has been getting progressively worse over the years by quite some margin (with me being the proud owner of every issue -a pride which is being diluted it has to be said).

    How could MS (an American company) not have made a HD console when America had already embraced HD long before Europe? This on top of the fact that MS didn't have a new revolutionary control system? The only thing that separates this gen from last gen is often the fidelity of the image on screen.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:41

  • bad09 #70 4 years ago

    "a three year warranty means nothing if the product is going to fail. that warranty will run out. that 360 will eventually die."

    ALL CD/DVD based consoles die or develop problems eventually. Somewhere there is a console heaven where they all live in harmony - except the Jaguar and 3DO, they are in console hell :)
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:45

  • lambtron #71 4 years ago

    "Why else do so many intelligent, free thinking gamers except the the debacle that is the RROD? The quality of the games?"

    Umm, well yes! I don't know what else to say - it should always be about the quality of the games. RROD is a bitch if it happens but at most it will effect you for a week or two and then its back to playing quality games. I don't see your point?

  • Darren #72 4 years ago

    So the Xbox 360 had a 47% increase on a lower sales figure presumably than the PS3, which has had an 8% increase since the release of GTA IV yet the PS3 is still ahead of 360 sales by 10% this year thus confirming to me that these percentage increases/decreases are utterly meaningless without actual figures to back them up and can be twisted/manipulated by both Microsoft and Sony to put positive spins on their respective hardware. Basically this article tells us nothing except that both machines are apparently selling well in the UK. Well... fancy that. LOL

  • Rash' #73 4 years ago

    bad09, I'm not bemoaning the quality of their online service and games. But lets be honest. Their service and games are geared towards the hardcore market who are prepared to put up with RRODs. So to the enthusiast like you (and to a lesser extent me) there's no problem. But do you honestly believe out there in the real world people would opt for narrowly geared content over a consistent delivery of that content? I don't. You can argue you're point all you want, but for me this about gaming for the mass market and Microsoft's strategy doesn't convince me they know what they're doing other than throwing money at the problem. The way the company is set now I wouldn't back it to take gaming forward. Taking it forward isn't always about being first at the party, but knowing how to make an entrance...

  • SteveB #74 4 years ago

    I'm very surprised that GTA has driven more 360 sales than PS3 sales. I really thought this was going to be the point where many PS2 owners were going to make the upgrade to PS3.

  • bad09 #75 4 years ago

    @ Rash'

    If you want mass market buy a Wii! The 360 and PS3 (although both desperately want those markets as well) are mainly aimed a gamers and I have no problem with that, being a gamer :)

    @ vercetti102

    "my saturn is a cd based console. out at the same time as ps1, still works like a dream. some people have already went through 3-4 xbox360s.. nuff sed?"

    Christ they were well built I went through 3 PS1's that gen! Mind you that quality didn't last with DC, they were temperamental sods! As for 360 I still got my launch machine, although I did RROD back in Oct due to H3 abuse, but after 14 days back good as new and still going strong.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 12:57

  • Darren #76 4 years ago

    I've been through five Xbox 360s in total since buying it in December 2005 so I'm obviously not going to praise the hardware quality except to say that, while the issue is far from forgiveable, when I weigh up how much enjoyment I've had out of it compared with the inconvenience of exchanging it/sending it back for repair, well it's hard to get too upset about it really (unless it happens again... and again... and again!!!). Microsoft still suck at building hardware though - my original Xbox bought in March 2002 also died after just 14 days necessitating a replacement from GAME and I had to buy another after 18 months due to Dirty Disc Errors- but they do know how to design great games consoles that is easy to develop for, something Sony arguably have failed to achieve since the original PS. Anyway with that off my chest, I fail to see what reliability issues have to do with this article really... :?

  • BadBoyBonner #77 4 years ago

    Vercetti102 said...

    "my saturn is a cd based console. out at the same time as ps1, still works like a dream. some people have already went through 3-4 xbox360s.. nuff sed?"

    My Saturn still works like a charm - however - think I got onto about my 5th PS1 - I remember very fondly how most of me and my mates could only get our PS1's to work by laying them upside down once the disk was in when they were on their last legs.

  • Darren #78 4 years ago

    @SteveB - I think the price of the PS3 is still a prohibiting factor for anyone wanting to move up from the PS2 as the machine costs as much now as the previous one did when it launched and that didn't take off until it dropped below £200. I suspect that GTA IV and the forthcoming MGS 4 will drive PS3 sales for the rest of the year, they're both games that'll continue to sell well over a long period of time, so if Sony have any sense at all they'll drop the price of the PS3 again this year. That said I don't think the machine will really start selling in large number until it too drops below £200. Perhaps that's why Sony have a ten year lifespan mapped out for the PS3; it may take three or four years for it to start selling as well as the PS2 did. Or maybe PS2 owners have all bought Xbox 360s or Wiis...?

  • bad09 #79 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    Possibly, but I do think PS3 has had a boost from Blu winning the format war more than any hardware issues of the 360

    @BadBoyBonner

    "I remember very fondly how most of me and my mates could only get our PS1's to work by laying them upside down once the disk was in when they were on their last legs."

    +1! On it's side worked well to!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 13:07

  • BadBoyBonner #80 4 years ago

    Chances are that anyone who has waited to buy a new console at the same time as GTA IV is highly likely to purchase a more reliable machine than when either console launched, and much more in the 360's case.

  • bad09 #81 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    But that goes back to my point of different opinion. My main draw for finally getting PS3 was Blu more than any game (except MGS4).

  • Rash' #82 4 years ago

    bad09, You're mistaken my friend. All three are after the mass market. It's where they'll make their money. Sony have a strategy, which is proven over two generations. They start with the hardcore and work into the mass market. Ninty this gen opted for a different approach because they failed the past two gens. They've gone for mass market immediately and are curiously working in the hardcore (unsuccessfully at this stage). Microsoft like Sony started with the hardcore and really by now should have made significant in roads into the mass market. They too have been unsuccessful so far. In terms of mass market appeal for me Ninty and Microsoft still have a lot to prove. Sony is still the company to beat.

  • BadBoyBonner #83 4 years ago

    Rash

    I was right with everything you said until the last couple of sentences.

    In terms of Mass market appeal - are you saying Sony's PS'3 is beating the Wii? As all figures would seem to indicate otherwise.

    Not read that much anecdotal evidence of Granny pushing young Jim out of the way so she could have a blast on Motostorm.

    WiiFit - has also shown how on the money Nintendo are with the mass market.

    If you got rid of every hardcore player who has purchased a Wii - chances are it would probably still lead in Hardware sales.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 13:27

  • XdarXideX #84 4 years ago

    CHrist.. he is a fanboy.

    Millions? "Literally"? Are you crazy Vercetti? If millions were affected, then there would have been a recall. Besides the point though, as the new model 360 works just fine.

    Can anyone say HATE CAMPAIGN?

  • Rash' #85 4 years ago

    BadBoyBonner, What are you implying you are right about mate?

    And of course I'm not suggesting PS3 has sold more than Wii.

  • bad09 #86 4 years ago

    @ Rash'

    Well I did say both want those markets Ninty have soaked up. Sure PS2 eventually started to hit the mass market but was PS1 mass market? I'm not so sure.

    The thing you are also forgetting is the reason they go for gamers first is because we pay the expensive prices. Consoles tend to go mass market towards the end of their life when the price drops and when gamers moved to new machines (the redesigned PSone was clearly aimed at little johnny). You 100% right though the Wii has gone against this trend and gone straight for mass market.

  • BadBoyBonner #87 4 years ago

    I wasn't implying anything about me being right - I was stating I agreed with the other 20 or so sentences you wrote but not the last 2. See above.

    If you swapped the positions of Nintendo and Sony in your last post it would make perfect sense with the main body of your writing.

  • Rash' #88 4 years ago

    BadBoyBonner, Did you even read that issue of Edge? How was the HD era ready when Microsoft released 360 if they couldn't guarantee a reliable hardware??? They should have waited and released the damn thing when they had done the necessary tests to make such assurances, they didn't because they wanted the jump on Sony regardless of the expense to themselves or the consumer. Doesn't seem like the HD era was ready to me. Edge is and continues to be a quality publication.

  • Rash' #89 4 years ago

    bad09, PS1 sold over 100 million. I'd say that was mass market.

  • bad09 #90 4 years ago

    @ Rash'

    I stand corrected :)

    "Edge is and continues to be a quality publication."

    Please up it's own arse big time, I gave up on that years ago!

  • miiiguel #91 4 years ago

    Vercetti's on a mission...

    Anyway, in what way does the success or lack of (as some say) of a company you (for some esoteric reason) hate, affects thee ?
    I mean, loved my PS2, I'm loving my 360... (and yes, I'm really happy with the hardcore "agenda" MS has)..., PS3 can have all the Haze's in the world, for all I care.

    "Edge is and continues to be a quality publication. "
    Even when they rate Halo 3 10/10 ?
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 13:44

  • Rash' #92 4 years ago

    BadBoyBonner, I see. Well Sony has proven over the past two gens they have a convincing strategy to appeal to a broad demographic of gamers. You only have to look at the latest PSN offerings Echochrome and Dark Mist to see what I mean. That strategy along with its hardware is designed for the long haul. Ninty's hardware can't last that distance. In 10 years time I'm convinced PS3 will have overcome the Wii.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 13:44

  • miiiguel #93 4 years ago

    10 years is a loooong time...

  • monkie_king #94 4 years ago

    Edge has seriously gone down the dumper in the past couple of years. Think I'll let my subscription lapse this time.

    Rash': What has HD got to do with hardware reliability? MS's problems stem from poor QA and arguably an insufficiently capable cooling system. 360s do a fantastic job of cranking out HD games at 720p, better even then their upscaled PS3 equivalents.

  • Rash' #95 4 years ago

    "Even when they rate Halo 3 10/10 ?"

    Even then. :o)

  • Rash' #96 4 years ago

    "10 years is a loooong time..."

    Indeed.

  • Rash' #97 4 years ago

    monkie_king, How can HD gaming be ready, if you can't deliver a reliable console to offer it???

    Edit: One for the fanboys: HD gaming will only kick start when Sony say so!!!

    /Grabs coat. Looks back. "My work here is done" :)
    Edited by 2 at 29/05/08 @ 14:03

  • miiiguel #98 4 years ago

    Rash:
    "Anyway, in what way does the success or lack of (as some say) of a company you (for some esoteric reason) hate, affects thee ? "

  • Rash' #99 4 years ago

    miiiguel, None. As the owner of two of the three current gen consoles I have a vested interest in how the market develops. ;o)

  • miiiguel #100 4 years ago

    cool, for a moment there it sounded otherwise...

  • Rash' #101 4 years ago

    miiiguel, I'll get that 360 when (or should that be "if";) they fix those hardware problems. I don't feel like I'm missing much. Bioshocks coming this year FFS, which should be amply time to prepare to the multiplat sequel next year. :)

  • monkie_king #102 4 years ago

    Rash', that's like saying "how can Xbox Live be ready, if you can't deliver a reliable console to offer it?"

    The RROD and HD output are unrelated concepts, see. If all 360 games were upscaled from 576p like Haze, are you saying that there would have been no Xbox360 failures? Maybe that's the secret of PS3's reliability ;)

    You'd have a better case saying that Blu-ray isn't ready for gaming, considering that its slowness mandates multi-gigabyte HD installs of many PS3 titles. And that it made the PS3 expensive, underpowered, and late.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 14:09

  • bad09 #103 4 years ago

    Well said monkie_king!

  • miiiguel #104 4 years ago

    As a video-game enthusiast I can't even imagine not having a 360, like I couldn't imagine not having a PS2 the gen before.

    No endemic variables here, things are what they are, no need to complicate.

  • bad09 #105 4 years ago

    miiiguel my friend you said it right there! Also as a video-game enthusiast myself I could not imagine not having 360, or PS1/2 (and even 3), PC, DC, N64, Amiga, Megadrive, SNES, Spectrum.......

    we have to have 'em all no matter how much we moan! :)

  • bonker #106 4 years ago

    "miiiguel, Are you serious? As Edge pointed out in it's editorials a number of issues ago, the HD era was rushed to market and though they didn't explicitly point it out I consider Microsoft's contribution in this regard considerable. I'm not greatful in the slightest. As far as I'm concern they've distorted consumer expectations to suit their own agenda's. "

    This is/should be aimed at Sony, surely??

  • Rash' #107 4 years ago

    monkie_king had written (and subsequently deleted): "BOOSH!"

    I must have lost my mind walking back into this thread.
    Edited by 2 at 29/05/08 @ 23:49

  • miiiguel #108 4 years ago

    ^^^ classy...

  • septimus #109 4 years ago

    That and the only advert for GTA IV has 360 plastered all over it. That sort of thing works as well. Sony are asshats for not doing the same.

    Own all consoles (nigh on, even crap like 3DO) and yet I got the PS3 version of GTA. I wasn't sure if my Elite would RROD on me and the other thing is I think MS were stupid to pay 50million for what will probably be only average content. As mentioned, a lot of the missions in GTA (especially the side ones) are pretty lame.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 15:18

  • Widge #110 4 years ago

    Oh so the online service I use for stuff like Warhawk is an imaginary one then?
    and no, there is no lag
    and no, it doesn't go down
    its the bloody same as Steam practically....

    I think you're qualifying for FAIL here
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 15:34

  • bad09 #111 4 years ago

    @ Widge

    Come on man, Ok Warhawk is good true, but that ease is not standard is it. EA wanted me to create an account online so did konami for the MGSO beta. No such problems with Live.....

    @ vercetti102

    I heard many PS3 guys say online should be free but sod that people who use Live know it's worth every one of those few pennies it costs each month.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 15:38

  • monkie_king #112 4 years ago

    "people spend £40 on a game should be able to play it all without spending £30 importing a last-gen rumbling controller"

    fixed.

  • ronuds #113 4 years ago

    I think Headbog/Swam has just changed his name again and it is Vercetti. I notice they haven't been around lately and now we're left with a new angry fool.

    Good luck waiting for your in-game XMB, by the way...which still hasn't even been announced for sure. XBL users pay, but they know exactly what they're getting day in and day out and have been getting the same level of service since day 1.

    Also, you can do just about anything but play against others with XBL without paying. But I'm sure you knew that already and just choose to ignore it.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 15:48

  • Monkey_Puncher #114 4 years ago

    ROLFLZ at Eurogamer's blatant flamebait, why does this article need to be pinned at the top of the pile? Oh that's right, keep the argument going thus increasing the hits...

    *yawn*

  • bad09 #115 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    That makes no sense! sure you pay a lump sum but that lasts a year which breaks down to (if you are silly enough to pay the full £40) the huge amount of £3.33 a month!!!!!!! Well worth it it to avoid pointless "register at this website to play our games" from the likes of EA and Konami.

  • miiiguel #116 4 years ago

    Headbog/Swam/Vercetti, do you actually post anything else other that "RRoD" and "Live should be free" manifestos ?

    There's a great hobby called video-gaming, you should try it.

    It's quite funny to see your post history, maybe time to change user name again ?
    Edited by 2 at 29/05/08 @ 16:05

  • BadBoyBonner #117 4 years ago

    Just so everybody is clear on the 50 million dollar question.

    Technically Microsoft did not pay $50 million dollars to Rockstar for anything in GTA IV.

    They lent the money to Rockstar to fund the games development - Microsoft will take back the first $25 million per DLC with all profit above that (if any - and perhaps with a brokered deal with MS relaxing it's usual margins) going back to Rockstar.

    Therefore MS have only ever lost any "interest" they could have earned with the money, or in addition any shortfall (unlikely).

    And in return they have ensured GTA appeared on an MS console and at the same time as Sony's and with exclusive content to be released on an ongoing basis.

    Seems the hot coffee fiasco had some fringe benefits at least! lol

  • PlugMonkey #118 4 years ago

    *sigh*

  • chris_ace #119 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • Xerx3s #120 4 years ago

    swam is back! Rejoice! God, I missed looking down on him.\0/

  • bad09 #121 4 years ago

    @ vercetti102

    "i have NEVER had to register a game online for my ps3"

    well that was my first days experience with PS3 online but there's no point arguing with you because your mind is set. I have both consoles and I still know Live is a brilliant service worth every penny and PS3 NEEDS a similar service. Those Live subscriptions pay for an online service which is far better than PSN.

  • miiiguel #122 4 years ago

    The "I sold mine and never looked back" exposed him...

  • ps3owner #123 4 years ago

    I've just scrolled through the posts, after reading the first 10... and all I can see is 4 ppl throwing insults at each other. great stuff. keep it going ;)

  • ronuds #124 4 years ago

    If Live were that much of a ripoff, I doubt it would have over 10 million subscribers. I have no idea what paying for Live has to do with this article, though. Vercetti has sucked us all in to his dimented world!

    Anyway, this article makes me a little happy because of all the "PS3 will definitely move more consoles" talk that guys like Headbog/Swam and now I suspect Vercetti were spewing before the game's release.

  • bad09 #125 4 years ago

    Dear oh dear I think Xerx3s is right! Welcome back Headbog/swam/vercetti102 - how many names you gonna use?

  • ronuds #126 4 years ago

    I don't know how console talk makes people go completely deranged, though, they were probably that way to begin with.

    vercetti - talk some sense and stop your nonsensical spewing of MS hatred and we can all have a nice conversation if you'd like.

  • chris_ace #127 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • bad09 #128 4 years ago

    vercetti102, cry us a river...then jump in it :)

  • monkie_king #129 4 years ago

    I don't think vermicelli101 is sam/swam/headbog, the level of illiteracy is different. swam has been AWOL since the Haze debacle though, not sure what his new alter-ego is.

  • Ryze #130 4 years ago

    Interesting.

    Now hurry up with the Blu-Ray, wireless Elite, M$.

    Get that DS3 and back compat reinstated P$£ out, Sony.

    That'll get you some more hardware sales...

  • ronuds #131 4 years ago

    @ monkie_king

    Are you saying he's more or less illiterate?

  • TONYgr #132 4 years ago

    its pure logic guys.bigger installed base the 360,bigger the sales.also the game is better on microsofts console.the only reason i bought it on ps-3 is because of the free online.and because greece is supported from sony for online.yes,i can get on xbox live with some kind of magic but its troublesome to buy stuff etc from countries that dont support live.anyway just enjoy the game!
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 17:13

  • bitesize #133 4 years ago

    I don't think vermicelli101 is sam/swam/headbog, the level of illiteracy is different.

    he also hasn't used the phrase "deluded XBOT" yet, headbog would have said that about 20 times by this point in an argument. he had me labelled as a deluded XBOT before i ever even owned a 360...

  • miiiguel #134 4 years ago

    Someone hand him the Valiums, quick!

  • chris_ace #135 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • 2099net #136 4 years ago

    Rash said: BadBoyBonner, Did you even read that issue of Edge? How was the HD era ready when Microsoft released 360 if they couldn't guarantee a reliable hardware??? They should have waited and released the damn thing when they had done the necessary tests to make such assurances, they didn't because they wanted the jump on Sony regardless of the expense to themselves or the consumer. Doesn't seem like the HD era was ready to me. Edge is and continues to be a quality publication.

    Em. How was the CD era ready when Sony couldn't guarentee reliable hardware that could read CDs? I know I and many others went through more PS1s than they have Xbox360s (actually, I'm on my first 360 still with no problems - except noise - from Feb 2006). I went through 4 PS1s in about five years.

  • ronuds #137 4 years ago

    Yeah...vercetti's much more entertaining than the other console-hating dopes.

    You go, vercetti! Mention how much XBL is again and how we're all stupid for paying for it. I'm intrigued by your originality.

  • XdarXideX #138 4 years ago

    I fail to see how anything as good as XBL is a ripoff for £40 a year. It's a better service than the PS3's half finished crap. Plus it's been there since day one. All I hear from PS3 owners is the now common "Just you wait! It will be better! Someday. Someday.."

    Oh and Vercetti I'd like to know where you heard that over 2 million Xbox360's have failed and if the figures account for the refurbished consoles thrown back at customers.

    Furthermore I'd like to add that I've had 2 Xbox360 console failures and I'm still more than happy with the console, games and service I get from it. You've had ONE failure and you're acting like MS buried your family. Stop acting like a little bitch and grow up... I doubt you even paid for your own console. "Get out in the real world you geeks"? Coming from someone who has nothing better to do than post on gaming websites and express undying love and loyalty to a console and it's manufacturer... it's pretty gay, man.

  • Gradius #139 4 years ago

    @vercetti102

    You were banned (quite justly, it seems) from CVG for being a twat, perhaps it would be an idea to try 'not being a twat' whilst here on EG? We already have too many tards here, like swam, smelly, Les and Apologie, etc. Do you really want to endure the same ridicule that they have? You're certainly going the right way about it...
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 18:20

  • mattigan #140 4 years ago

    I thought that XBL was only £25??? Off of Ebay, what's all this talk of £40? Surely only a fucking homtard would pay full pri..... Oh...

  • IneptPercy #141 4 years ago

    I love how the SDF force try to say that the PS3 has a higher attach rate so that means more people like it on the PS3.

    What do attach rates have to do with this more people own it on a 360 so and that is the pure and simple fact.

    Also this idea goes against another SDF idea that all 360 owners play is driving and shooting games, if this was the fact then surely every 360 owner would own it. Or maybe not all of them like these things and are playing that whole range of other none driving and shooting games which the SDF deny exist...

    As for this argument that live is a rip off... just shut up.

    Firstly live can be got for £25 a year quite easily, so...
    £25 + xbox live = Great service
    £0 + PSN = Not as great service (good for free but not great)

    I know every morning I wake up and wish I hadn't spent that 6.8p to have xbox live that day, its such a rip off.............

  • monkie_king #142 4 years ago

    "also this idea goes against another SDF idea that all 360 owners play is driving and shooting games"

    No, this has been abandoned since COD4, GT5, Motorstorm2, KZ2 and RFOL2 became their main hopes of PS3 not being a total waste of money (let's not mention Haze). And Bioshock is being ported now too. So now FPSes and racers = the real next-gen.

  • TheNinkyNonk #143 4 years ago

    ENOUGH OF THIS ALREADY!!

    Sales mean nothing! All three consoles are going to sell well enough this generation to please both their owners and their developers. Does anything else REALLY matter?

    This is fanboy-baiting tosh and EG should be ashamed of making it a sticky.

    At this rate the EG logo will need to be re-designed with a red background.

  • Teamallstar #144 4 years ago

    Don't say enough already. PS3 users (of which I was one - It is now quite literally just a DVD player) must please realise how badly they have been conned into believing that the PS3 is good.

    The only possible way anyone can believe that the PS3 is any good is if they have never played on Xbox Live with their friends, or they were brain-washed by the Playstation 2.

    I actually feel sorry for them. Poor PS3 owners, they have many years of sub par gaming, downloading hours of updates and bad online functionality to look forward to.

    PS3... out of 10

  • Codger81 #145 4 years ago

    I miss the days when gaming was about the games, not about kids that are a branding managers wet dream whom will fight for a brand irrespective of common sense or the concept of differing requirments, wants or needs. The majority of posters here are an embarrassment, do they honestly think anyone in their right mind cares what a fan of a different brand console thinks?

  • ronuds #146 4 years ago

    Attach rate isn't so much of a factor as people make it out to be. What was the attach rate of San Andreas on the PS2? I'd bet it wasn't even half of what GTA IV is on the 360 or PS3.

    Now, why is that, you ask? Well, as the # of consoles and games available for that console goes up, the attach rate of a single title goes down. Historically, that's usually how it goes. Of course, there's always the rare exception, but attach rate for single titles isn't really any kind of a measuring stick. The PS3 has about half the # of games the 360 as of today. Whether or not you personally consider that a factor is inconsequential.

  • des #147 4 years ago

    So now sales don't matter?Fans of games that have bombed sales-wise can only dream sequels,sorry that is the world today.
    Also 360 is outselling PS3 since GTA IV launch in UK,get over it or drown your tears in something.

  • Djrds #148 4 years ago

    That's normal... i mean, if there are 20 million 360's in the world and only 10 million ps3's... It's obvious what platform sells more copies... Isn't it?
    Anyway, i bought mine to 360 (i have both systems) majorly because of the graphic superiority and framerates...
    The DLC is just secondary for me.

  • rawburger #149 4 years ago

    I own (insert console of choice here), and bitterly hate (insert console of choice here), I think its a pile of utter shite, and as for the (insert console of choice here) well, all i can say is Belgium

  • onyxbox #150 4 years ago

    " 360 outselling PS3 since GTA IV launch"

    Can someone explain to me how mesuring an increase in sales by Percentage means 360 is outselling PS3!

    EG, you really are starting to make me wonder if your taking it big time from MS.

    If ps3 sold 10,000 units a month before GTA and 11,000 after GTA and 360 sold 1 a month before and 2 a month after going by percentages the 360 has the bigger increase but in no way does it mean they've sold more 360's!

    These sort of articles are just spin in favour of MS and although I'm not fussed which machine sells more I expect more from EG... publishing crap like this seems like bait for the N4G fanboys.

    Next time show the figures - hardware and software / before and after not a bit of figures and some percentages that don't mean jack.

  • ronuds #151 4 years ago

    @ onybox

    I'm not sure if it says in this particular article, though I believe it does, but the 360 IS beating the PS3 overall by 18% since the release. That's not including % increases since, it's just a straight up figure that the 360's beating the PS3 by. No concrete figures, though.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 22:17

  • aowsyson #152 4 years ago

    well in this months playstion 3 magazines it says that the ps3 version has been outselling the 360 version 3:1

  • Bounty_Hunter #153 4 years ago

    It seems that 360 owners have to convince themselves that they have made the right choice of console.... But from what I see most are jumping ship to PS3 with no looking back! GTA runs and looks better on PS3 you are kidding yourself if you say different.

  • Strac #154 4 years ago

    fanboy troutslapping eh?

  • Kornicos #155 4 years ago

    I own both consoles. I ended up buying a ps3 cause my 2nd 360 red-ringed. I was so dissatisfied with the ps3 purchase that I bought a 360 elite a couple of days later as I could not stand the wait for my refurb. Maybe in a couple of years the ps3 will be the better system (after a sh*t tonne of updates), but by then we will have moved on to the next next-gen.

  • Bounty_Hunter #156 4 years ago

    fanboy troutslapping eh?

    The only slapping I do is on ya mums fat batty!

  • IneptPercy #157 4 years ago

    As for 360 owners needing to convince themselves they made the right choice... Its different for me after owning both I know I made the right decision in which one to sell and it wasn't the 360.

    As for GTA running better on the PS3 I think you will find many people will disagree, after a good comparing session me and a few friends who own a good mix of consoles, between us all agreed the 360 was the better looking. Not a huge difference but the main problem was frame rate drops on the PS3 where noticeably worse.

  • Xerx3s #158 4 years ago

    "sad bastards keep up your conspiracy theories. the only reason im on here is because i was banned from CVG"

    There is some irony in there but I can't put my finger on it...

  • Bounty_Hunter #159 4 years ago

    Each to there own I suppose but at the end of the day good competition between both consoles is a good thing! IneptPercy I think you have place the consoles the wrong way round in your comments as many people and write ups state different.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/08 @ 23:50

  • Xerx3s #160 4 years ago

    "i dont have "MS hatred""

    ...and some lack of self knowledge.

  • Xerx3s #161 4 years ago

    "love the way u all stick together. with all your e-buddies. its twats like u that live your lives on xbox live with a fucking bentshot headset strapped to your nut! sad fuckin bastards! no wonder u think it worth £40 a year for that. u fucking live on it!! talking to strangers like you know them! get out in the real world u mad geeks!!!"

    Pure rage at the internet. Brilliant & ironic.

    Mate, you a like a gramophone, stuck in your track. If you think that 40 quid (which is bull btw) is too much, you really shouldn't be into gaming.

  • Bounty_Hunter #162 4 years ago

    Teamallstar


    Your 360 will be as high as your house by the time ms keep on adding add ons. Ive had a 360 and have not noticed any difference with online gaming. Ms might be more slick but as developers concentrate on there own sites they will not have the ms restrictions and this should be a + for PS3. Mark my words all of the 360 fans will come to the dark side.

  • smelly #163 4 years ago

    360 for online is the best thing about it.. it's also the worst thing (you have to pay for it - the other 2 are free).

    I'm torn between supporting 360 or ps3.. 360 better online, ps3 is free online. 360 has more and better supply of games.. ps3 doesnt brake down so often.. 360 is cheaper.. ps3 has bluray..


    Although my 360 is in for repair on my THIRD RROD!!! If it happens again, when i get it back, i'll sell it and stick to the ps3 in future...

  • SAH1977 #164 4 years ago

    GTA4, a bit of a let down really, style over substance.

    At least the PS3 has more than shooters on the horizon.
    Edited by 1 at 30/05/08 @ 01:11

  • Rodney #165 4 years ago

    Smelly,

    that was a very concise, and I would say fair, summary of the relative pros and cons of each system.

    Personally, the quality of games and online service for 360 sways me, but the PS3 is a nice bit of kit.

    Where has the Vercetti clown gone? his anger was amusing me.

  • Biggz #166 4 years ago

    @ ronuds

    Youve highlighted exactly the problem others have pointed out with the headline.

    After all the whoo-hah and percentage increases the article =does= state: "Looking at the year to date, the picture looks much rosier for Sony. Taking all 21 weeks of 2008 into account, sales of PlayStation 3 in the UK are 10 per cent ahead of Xbox 360"

    And at the top of this very page: "Sony still ahead this year, says Chart-Track."

    So 360 is not outselling PS3 overall- it appears to have gained the bigger boost from GTA, from the figures. Which isn't surprising given the ads. If you dont have a clue you will just see: cool game + x360...£159. Ive even had a debate with someone who swore he saw that you got the lot= 360 + gta 4 for 159.

    PS3 has been outselling 360 even in US. check [link url=http://www.vgchartz.com.]http://www.vgchartz.com.[/link] PS3 has sold better in its first year compared to 360 is another cold hard fact.
    Remember PS3 came out in UK on March 2007, at much higher price.

  • Biggz #167 4 years ago

    @ Monkie_King:

    "Racers and shooters", Nope were talkin MGS4, LBP, God of War 3, Final Fantasy XIII, Uncharted 2, GT5, Tekken 6, plus shooters like Resistance 2, SOCOM, Killzone 2. Thats 10 exclusive titles pretty much guaranteed to be AAA+, four of them drop in next 4-5 months starting with MGS4 in two weeks.

    Plus Bioshock w Bonus Content and Improved Graphics (you know its been in dev all along), plus other great multiplats like SF4, Far Cry 2, Soulcalibur, GRiD, , Resident Evil 5 etc. That is why Sony didnt pay for GTA 4 DLC. Whereas 360 upcoming exclusives read Gears2, HAlo Derivates, Ninja Gaiden 2, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2. Of which Bioshock 2 is most likely multiplatform, and rumour has it that Mass effect will touch ps3. After this xmas ps3 sales it is guna be guaranteed.

    And the PS3 is quiet. XMB looks sweet, absolutely Love the video and game previews (people dont talk about that enuf) in my opinion much better than boring text of dashboard blades. At least we get some game art to enjoy before loading a game. Nice little touches like changing colour depending on time of day. Has anyone tried the photo application? Sweet!

    And PSN will be just as good as live this summer (rumoured to drop update 2.4 with In-game XMB before MGS4!)

  • Dizzy #168 4 years ago

    "And PSN will be just as good as live this summer (rumoured to drop update 2.4 with In-game XMB before MGS4!) "

    Yea someday... any day now... PS3 will be better! Take that xbox lovers! The POTENTIAL!

    Trolls can be funny.

  • davisorle #169 4 years ago

    PSN as good as XBL? Are you serious? THAT is something you can wait all our life to see and yet wont happn unless MS quit on that subject dude...

    What's more intresting for me is that yeah, the GTA 4 is better on the xbox 360 and also wont freeze your console and other basic stuff that gams shouoldn't do to a console after an installation which is pathetic for Sony... So my point is that GTA4 is actually not such a game to matter so much in thecurrent generation cause it simply offers nothing much as a game anymore. Honestly the graphics suck IMO. The movement is missing a lot of juice and still many things that feel uncomfortable with the game. I Play like 10 mins and change it each time. It's borring... And I hope and actually believe that Saints Row 2 will have more to offer than GTA should have...

    So it's laso intresting that a game like GTA actually boosts the xbox and weird for me. I guess the exclusive content does matter though I thought it was something stupid from MS to count on that yet moe stupid out there. Amazed. Too bad I have droppd the xbox for now cause of too much AoC.

  • Les #170 4 years ago

    "GTA4, a bit of a let down really, style over substance."

    After 3 games that followed the same formula (not including the PSP/PS2 spin-offs) you didn't see that coming?!

  • DjFlex52 #171 4 years ago

    After 3 games that followed the same formula (not including the PSP/PS2 spin-offs) you didn't see that coming?!

    @Les

    Is that similar to how your favorite videogame type (baseball) follows the same formula for 2 decades, Les...you pitch the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball...over and over and over. But you still keep buying the newest baseball game, right?

    Finally, I must say this new crew of Sony PS3 zealots (Biggz, vercetti & Bounty_Hunter) make headbog/swam and Apologie seem more likable ;)

  • Biggz #172 4 years ago

    @ Dizzy

    Glad to see you could only think of dissing PSN... Not refuting that PS3 games wipe the floor with 360's. Bet you got a MGS4 + PS3 bundle on pre-order already! LOL

    And PS3 Zealot? Hardly. Come back at with me a lineup that can beat that. You cant. Neither can Microsoft. Thats why 360 is now cheaper than a WII! And still being outsold. LOL. Just admit it. Time for a 720

    Notice I called No-one names. I get Troll, this that and the other. Nothing of substance and REAKING of desperation. Clutching at straws. Im just waiting for someone to find grammatical errors in my sentences. The other Genius comeback. LOL

    @ Dizzy Im not talking, im talking hear and Now, PS3 is the way to go. MS has nothingg on PS3 BUT Live, and only cause of n-game chat, which is coming and its really not too far. Deny it if you want.

    @davisorie. Notice PSN was NOT the crux of my argument. I mentioned many other things which no-one has been able to competently refute.

    And how do you make that GTA4 is better on 360? If you mean cause of DLC Il give you that. But I hope youre not clinging onto pathetic Gametrailers "comparison videos" are you? They've been found out. Read up a bit. Most of the reputable sites e.g IGN (who frequently diss PS3 versions by the way, no chance of bias) , EGM and others say PS3 has slight edge. Based off the conflicting reports I wouldnt really be boasting either way, cause that implies youve chosen to ignore some opinions and favor others... I.E. BIAS.
    Theyre comparable and the differences are so tiny no-one should be boasting. Though if I had to choose who to believe I'd choose the biggest website over small blogs. And I think everyone can agree that a hard-risk will be faster than a DVD, so loading times are better on PS3.

    If youre basing off the fact that an unofficial reports that PS3 has lower resolution, if so, WHO CARES??? If dropping the *native* resolution allowed them to do better Post-processing than Xbox, and smooth out the aliasing...and some say it looks better...WHO CARES??? Theres more to graphics than resolution boys. But believe whatever you want.

    Oh and heres an interview with Rockstar founder Sam Houser saying: I like the way [the PS3] renders. There's a certain kind of softness without being blurry -- some warmth to it -- and then there's a certain more clinical element to how the 360 looks.
    [link url=http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3167500
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    P.S. Whats PATHETIC is still having a 16% FAILURE rate after nearly 3 years and two (sorry make that 5) revisions! Thats pathetic. regards GTA 4 crashing PS3's I'd like to see how many PS3's forze versus ho many RROD'd due to playing the game. In fact scratch that how many of you went out and bought a new one just for GTA4 cause it had RROD'd?

    Its not like Sony had to recall or issue any extended warranties for the porblem. It was not that widespread. And seeing as Rockstar patched the game like a day after it was out for PS3, we can assume it was a Rockstar coding error, and nout to do with it being a 'pathetic console'.


    Edited by 3 at 30/05/08 @ 15:42

  • Biggz #173 4 years ago

    MGS 4 review just in IGN UK Rating: 9.9. Eat it boys!

  • Bounty_Hunter #174 4 years ago

    DjFlex52

    Take your head out your arse ms is falling Sony will not be beaten by ms, Take note MS or APPLE..... APPLE every time.... PLASMA, LCD, OLED...... OLED (sony) BLU-RAY or HD DVD..... BLU-RAY............. Your on a sinking ship good luck! Ms do not have style or anything to offer, Maybe bill will bundle one of his nice jumpers with new 360's as most of you are Ms suckers! LOL

  • miiiguel #175 4 years ago

    I got realy depressed after reading this Bounty dude post..., oh wait, he plays on that PS thing! Good lord! Thx!

    What a dork.

  • Bounty_Hunter #176 4 years ago

    I got realy depressed after reading this Bounty dude post..., oh wait, he plays on that PS thing! Good lord! Thx!

    What a dork.

    Yeah at least my console works you TWAT... Hows ya mum anyway!