EA blocks Forza 4 getting Porsche

By Wesley Yin-Poole Published 25 August, 2011

"This kills me," says Turn 10 chief.

EA has blocked Turn 10 from including Porsche in upcoming Xbox 360 exclusive racing game Forza 4.

"This kills me," said creative director Dan Greenawalt in an interview on forzamotorsport.net (reported by IGN).

"While Forza Motorsport 4 will feature RUF, it will not include Porsche cars. As many of you know, since the beginning of the Forza franchise, the Porsche license has been available only through a sub-licensing deal with EA.

"In Forza 3, we were able to feature more than 35 different Porsche models by offering to collaborate with EA. For Forza 4, we were looking forward to adding even more Porsche cars, and we were especially looking forward to featuring multiple Porsche experiences in our new Autovista mode. In the end, however, EA couldn't see their way towards collaborating again."

While clearly disappointed, Greenawalt remains hopeful that Porsche may one day return to Forza.

"While we respect EA's need to run their business as they see fit, we've regularly collaborated in the past and hope we can find our way back to that approach," he said.

"Forza had the exclusive license for all Ferrari cars, for example, on the Xbox and PC platforms. But at the end of the day, we've always found that we just weren't willing to block other racing games from having Ferraris outright, as we believed that this would do nothing but hurt the racing ecosystem."

EA is yet to comment on its decision, but it may have something to do with its own Shift series, which it hopes will compete with other simulation racers.

Last year EA executive Patrick Soderlund told Eurogamer he hoped the Shift series would overtake Sony's Gran Turismo series and Microsoft's Forza franchise as gaming's leading simulation racer.

"We think we can compete and ultimately become market leading in the simulation authentic motorsport segment," he said.

"One of the strongest points we have is, apart from the fact we have a very talented developer working with us and we now have an established brand underneath the Need for Speed umbrella in that segment, we also have the advantage of being a multi-platform offering.

"Forza can only be bought on Xbox and Gran Turismo is only available on PlayStation. We're the only one right now that is of a significant weight that can offer something up on all those platforms."

"I'm very sorry for all of this," Greenawalt concluded. "Fans shouldn't have to think about any of this - you should just be able to drive Porsches and Ferraris in the games you love. Porsche makes wonderful cars and I'm sorry that we won't have them in Forza 4."

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  • Byzanite #1 9 months ago

    Damn EA. Trying to piss everyone off at the moment.

  • gjgjg #2 9 months ago

    So forza let ea have ferrari, but they won't give them Porsche?
    What a load of pop. Won't be getting nfs then, that's my vote counted.

  • BrotherTobious #3 9 months ago

    And doing a bang up job to, now only if they put so much effort in to publishing games with out fecking them up :(

  • booner #4 9 months ago

    Are EA trying to literally be Activision? Does this mean I have to start liking Activision again? I can't keep up with the latest bad guys

  • MojoDex #5 9 months ago

    Poor form EA, poor form indeed

  • Zomoniac #6 9 months ago

    Common sense surely? They bought a license, they're just going to get portrayed as the bad guys because someone at Turn 10 whined about it. How is this any difference to them stopping Konami having the licenses in FIFA? Blame Porsche for offering up the exclusive license to a single company, not the company with enough sense to take them up on it first.

  • Breach #7 9 months ago

    Sometimes competition is good for the industry.
    Other times it's like this, and the only loser is us, The Paying Customer.


    Edited by Breach at 25/08/11 @ 08:48

  • Malek86 #8 9 months ago

    Between this and the Origin issues, I think somebody at EA said "hey guys, we're becoming too popular! We need to get back to our roots, have people hate us!"

  • eviroboy #9 9 months ago

    @gjgjg Forza let Shift have Ferrari ONLY as DLC for the first Shift game, and only exclusive to the 360 version, not the full game and NONE at all in Shift 2. Seems a simple case of tit for tat. Forza started this exclusivity licensing as is the Microsoft way [detailed in another article on this site]

    I got over Ferrari cars not being in Shift, I'll get over Porsche not being in Forza.

  • Eraysor #10 9 months ago

    Activision are actually looking pretty great at the moment in comparison to EA, especially considering they're giving all the profits from the Call of Duty XP to charity...

  • DDevil #11 9 months ago

    Aw, Porsches. They were my favourite in Forza 3 :-(

  • Widge #12 9 months ago

    Strange Forza fan sense of entitlement here...

  • lockload #13 9 months ago

    Well i can see why they did it but in some ways its good to have a relationship with other developers, its not like forza is an annual franchise and Porsche cars are some deal breaker when people buy a game..

    EA can dream all they want about competing with forza/GT but it will never happen

  • spiritsnake #14 9 months ago

    well said eviroboy
    microsoft does the same all the time so this aint nothing, just a tip of the iceberg. payback time from EA

  • RodHull #15 9 months ago

    As a major fan of the Forza series this is disappointing, but it's difficult to have sympathy with a Microsoft studio considering all of their posturing about exclusivity yesterday.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #16 9 months ago

    This is just business as usual. Both companies have licensing deals with the respective car manufacturers and are trying to make good use of the license. Turn10 has Ferrari, EA has Porsche.

    If you want to drive Porsche cars, go buy Need for Speed Shift 2. If you want to drive Ferrari cars, go and buy Forza 4. It's quite simple.

    Of course it would be awesome if both games had both Ferraris and Porsches, no argument about that. However, this is just the crux of having licensing deals in the first place. The car manufacturers are just as much to blame as EA and Turn10 here.
    Edited by Der_tolle_Emil at 25/08/11 @ 09:10

  • smurphs #17 9 months ago

    Greenawalt's statements were a little too finger-pointy for my liking.

  • gm914 #18 9 months ago

    This just confirms for me that EA is going ahead with Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed (2)
    As long as they fix the woeful Shift 2 mechanics, I'm buying.

  • grayn #19 9 months ago

    Uh, isn't Forza (Microsoft) the people responsible for blocking more Top Gear stuff appearing on other platforms?

  • Deckard1 #20 9 months ago

    Cunts.

  • DoctorFouad #21 9 months ago

    so now the Gran Turismo curse hitting forza too....just wow...

  • Ahskay #22 9 months ago

    Why is everyone pissed at EA? Be pissed at Porsche, they are selling the licenses. Besides, a RUF is just a better porsche anyway.

  • jellyBelly #23 9 months ago

    Love it when corporate execs refer to 'the good of the ecosystem'. Reminds me of cooperation in the prisoners dilemma, a strategy EA is evidently not pursuing

  • Beano #24 9 months ago

    A shame but it will not affect my decision to buy Forza 4 in any way. It will only cause me to continue not to buy EA's subpar Shift games in the future.

  • Beano #25 9 months ago

    "Both companies have licensing deals with the respective car manufacturers and are trying to make good use of the license. Turn10 has Ferrari, EA has Porsche."

    GT5 has Ferrari cars?

  • lockload #26 9 months ago

    The main problem is shift doesn't compare to forza in any way so there is not way to driver a porche now, but yeh a RUF is basically a better porche

  • AdamAsunder #27 9 months ago

    Hammond won't be happy.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #28 9 months ago

    @Beano: Forza 3 had Porsches as well; Shift 1 had Ferraris. EA and Turn10 had a deal - then Turn10 decided to heavily restrict EA's usage rights of Ferraris in Shift 2 and now EA is saying thank you by denying them Porsche cars. Not that it matters but if you really want to point with fingers at someone it has be Turn10 as they threw the first stone when they screwed EA with Shift 1.

  • spookalilly #29 9 months ago

    The manufacturers are finally coming round to the idea that these sims are great publicity. Now they will realise that exclusive deals can slash their exposure in half, or worse - and this is contractually beyond their control. I suspect this will be less and less of an issue in the future as more and more of them see this happen. When they see Forza 4 publicity literally everywhere, someone in Porsche will say - why aren't we there again?

  • dr_zoidthrob #30 9 months ago

    Just call them 'Porches'. Easy.

    /problem solver for hire/

  • homerramone #31 9 months ago

    What a fucking stupid way to be on. I mean its not as if people will go out and buy that does have the porsche instead... JUST because its got the porsche in.. And if they do then clearly they were cock-knockers.

  • Beano #32 9 months ago

    @Great Emil: You may be right - but it still doesn't hold me from buying F4 and dissing EA's pseudo car sim series :)

    Anyway, if Turn 10 holds the Ferrari license, did Polyphony/Sony get permission from them to use Ferraris in GT5?
    Edited by Beano at 25/08/11 @ 09:37

  • Kill_Crazy #33 9 months ago

    Didn't ms have some sort of exclusivity on Lambos too? Iirc that was why Eutechnyx had to drop then from Supercar Challenge.

  • FaceInTheCrowd #34 9 months ago

    while im anoyed no Porches in F4 it's not a deal breaker for me.The bigger issue is people saying T10 screwd EA with Ferrari in Shift by only letting them have Ferrari in the 360 version,allow me to quote Dan Greenwalt

    "Forza had the exclusive license for all Ferrari cars, for example, on the Xbox "

    how would that stop ferrrari being on Playstation

    Edited by FaceInTheCrowd at 25/08/11 @ 09:40

  • MiniAmin #35 9 months ago

    Meh, it'll have RUF, so we can't complain too much.

  • Spekingur #36 9 months ago

    How can one publisher have an exclusive with a car type? How can car manufacturers not even realise this being a "bad thing" for them? What the heck happened to the world?

    To be frank though, most people playing these games wouldn't afford a real Ferrari or a real Porsche. I know I sure don't (besides I wouldn't want to own either of those, way too much hassle to own).

  • Spunkweazle #37 9 months ago

    Activision have just taken out exclusive marketing rights for "the wheel", and will not be allowing anyone else to make use of their property in future games

  • Darren #38 9 months ago

    Not really bothered by this as I've never been particularly fond of Porsches in any racing game as they handle like bricks on ice and look ugly too. It's definitely not a car I would ever want to own if I won the lottery, put it that way, that'd be a Ferrari or Lamborghini! :p

  • kangarootoo #39 9 months ago

    "we've always found that we just weren't willing to block other racing games from having Ferraris outright, as we believed that this would do nothing but hurt the racing ecosystem."

    The what?

  • stu9898 #40 9 months ago

    Not the end of the world, but dissapointing and taken the shine off an amazing looking Forza game, will have to hang on to Forza 3 after all.

  • Porcupine_I #41 9 months ago

    Now this would be the point where the game becomes useless to a true Forza fan.

    ...at least according to their previous statements about Gran Turismo 5 not having Porsches

  • RobTheBuilder #42 9 months ago

    Good ol RUF.
    Annoying that they can't sort out their issues and work together...

  • swissorc #43 9 months ago

    No Porsche's No sale Thats my stand.

  • Subdominator #44 9 months ago

    Who needs a Porsche when you can drive an Audi R8?

  • Sir_STRESSHEaD #45 9 months ago

    Not that I really care about Forza or Porsche... but E.A are really getting up my nose of late. All this ridiculous quipping with Activision, shutting down servers that people are obviously still using, banging on about BF3 when their BFBC2 servers are crippled.... E.A are pretty much giant Douche bags at this point. They certainly won't be doing much for their reputation with this blatant selfish, greedy attitude.

  • IncredibleKoosh #46 9 months ago

    EA have done this for ages... No Porsche in GT2 for example.

    But it's another opportunity for people to complain about the nasty corporations not hugging each other enough.

    It's not a case of trying to piss you off. It's business. Get over it.

  • arcam #47 9 months ago

    It's not a case of trying to piss you off

    It kind of is. EA hope that gamers will be pissed off at not having Porsche in their games, and go for NFS instead.

  • linea #48 9 months ago

    AAAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHHHHH

  • mkreku #49 9 months ago

    Isn't this problem the car manufacturer's fault? Why on earth do they sell exclusive licenses for their brands?? Don't they realize that the more people who gets to drive their highly coveted cars, the more people end up actually buying these cars in a not so distant future? They're hurting themselves, the game developers and the players with this short-sighted stupidity!

  • mkreku #50 9 months ago

    By the way, I absolutely loved Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed back in the day. I guess I am one of the people who buy games because they have Porsche in them :)

  • Red-Moose #51 9 months ago

    i will therefore refuse to buy either a Ferrari or Porsche this weekend.

  • MagicBoy #52 9 months ago

    EA should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I won't be buying another EA title on any platform.

  • metalangel #53 9 months ago

    His final statement says it all. I love cars, all cars, and a large part of the fun of these games is the 'what if?' races between famous supercars. I have a huge quantity of Porsches in Forza 3, that I can't have any in 4 is down to nothing except EA's greed.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #54 9 months ago

    As a massive Porsche fan I feel like not buying either of their fucking games now!

    EA were already pissing me off with their online codes which meant me and my son couldn't use the same copy of NFS:HP without paying an extra tenner.

    They need to sort this shit out ASAP or it could get worse and worse. Before you know it all the various license holders will do the same and all realistic racers will be affected.

  • arcam #55 9 months ago

    that I can't have any in 4 is down to nothing except EA's greed.

    It's more down to Porsche's 'greed'. They're the ones selling exclusive licenses after all.

  • iwantmynameuk #56 9 months ago

    ""We think we can compete and ultimately become market leading in the simulation authentic motorsport segment,"
    new direction for the NFS series? or does he get the bus to work?

  • Buran #57 9 months ago

    You can still have RUF, which is a Porsche customizer that turns Porsches into Super Porsches. No big problem.

  • skunkfish #58 9 months ago

    Ok, so I can't like EA now after this. I also can't like Microsoft after their 'equality' policies were revealed. I can't like Nintendo because I bought a 3DS before they reduced the price and I'm going to have to sellotape an extra analogue to the side. Also their new console is a Sega Pico hooked up to a Wii. I can't like Sony because they let people take all my details, but possibly I can again because they gave me a couple of free games and are supporting indie developers? I can't like Ubisoft because they make casual games and release PC versions of games 4 weeks later. I can't like Sega because their games used be be good but are no longer good and that hedgehog character is merely a shadow of his former self. I can't like Square Enix because Final Fantasy isn't as good as it used to be. I can't like THQ because they closed the Juiced developer. I can't like Activision because they're Activision.

    Can somebody let me know which publishers games I'm allowed to buy now?

  • KopparbergDave #59 9 months ago

    Surely this all rests with Porsche having signed some crappy exclusive deal with EA then??? It's up to Porsche to realise people want to play their cars in a variety of racing games, not just shit ones where you crash all the time, and that by limiting themselves to EA they're really giving a poor showing of their own brand.

    Wise up Porsche. EA stope being evil.

  • dfooster #60 9 months ago

    anyone remember the good old days when games were seen as something to keep the kids quiet and car manufacturers werent too bothered about their cars been featured in polyphony's new game gran turismo in case it reflected badly on the company. And damage was definitely a no no.

    oh how things have changed in the world we live in now. games are big business, gaming licences are big business and they are all fighting over one another to secure the rights for every little thing. How naive everyone was back in the 1990's

  • Architect_z #61 9 months ago

    It's not that big of a deal, Porsche's suck balls. Fact is (realistically) you'd never buy a porsche, if you had alot of money you'd buy Audi R8, Aston Martin DB9, Ferrari F430...etc // And if you just had enough for a porsche, you'd buy a Nissan GT-R, Vauxhall VXR8, Lotus Evora.

    Anyone who buys a Porsche is a grade-A dousche who knows nothing about cars.
    They arent bad cars, never said they were bad, but theres better cars for cheaper or mor expense.

    End of. ^_^

  • altitude2k #62 9 months ago

    Bit pointless by EA. Of all the car manufacturers to block, Porsche is the least worthwhile considering they'll just use the RUF modified variants. If this is some tasteless tit-for-tat, they've made fools out of themselves.

  • Cobalt_Jackal #63 9 months ago

    Wow, The car manefactures are stupid beyond belief. You would've thought that they'd be happy to feature in as many racing/car games as possible. Because then more people would be be aware of their respective brands.

  • bigtechno #64 9 months ago

    What's the big deal you'll still be able to use RUF cars which are just Posches with out the badge and once you customise them you won't know the difference

  • Mydoom #65 9 months ago

    just like 2 say even tho i'm not forza fan, the whole need nfs and it's branchs all sucked donkey ball's for realistic handling, tho idid like nfs1 & 2 back in day on the ps1 or was it on ps2.

  • Stroller4 #66 9 months ago

    Differences will be patched up, a middle ground will be found and a Porsche premium DLC pack will come out. Or, if we're really lucky, we'll all get a shiny new gift of a Porsche at Christmas 2012.

  • Laythe_AD #67 9 months ago

    Its really getting harder and harder to bring myself to buy EA products again. I'm wavering on battlefield 3. They just dont deserve my money.

  • DrStrangelove #68 9 months ago

    I always wondered why both EA and Microsoft had Porsches if someone has an exclusive contract with the car maker. They've always been painfully missing in GT.

    But no, I won't buy NfS:Shit only to have Porsches. Those twats can keep that rubbish for themselves.

  • coomber #69 9 months ago

    Ok, so I can't like EA now after this. I also can't like Microsoft after their 'equality' policies were revealed. I can't like Nintendo because I bought a 3DS before they reduced the price and I'm going to have to sellotape an extra analogue to the side. Also their new console is a Sega Pico hooked up to a Wii. I can't like Sony because they let people take all my details, but possibly I can again because they gave me a couple of free games and are supporting indie developers? I can't like Ubisoft because they make casual games and release PC versions of games 4 weeks later. I can't like Sega because their games used be be good but are no longer good and that hedgehog character is merely a shadow of his former self. I can't like Square Enix because Final Fantasy isn't as good as it used to be. I can't like THQ because they closed the Juiced developer. I can't like Activision because they're Activision.

    Can somebody let me know which publishers games I'm allowed to buy now?

    I've got a Colecovision for sale if you want. (Zaxxon is still the best shoot 'em up ever!)

  • Quixz #70 9 months ago

    It's not like not having Porsche will stop me from buying FORZA 4 and completely ignoring Need For Shit Run.

  • Toothball #71 9 months ago

    EA seem to be throwing away all their hard earned goodwill they had been getting from putting out series like Mirrors' Edge and Rock Band. I guess I'll be needing to break out the general level of disdain for them that I had shelved.

  • Feanor #72 9 months ago

    Turn10 are whiny bitches.

  • metalangel #73 9 months ago

    @bigtechno: You better hope Ruf do a version of the Porsche you like. It still won't be the same as driving an actual GT2, though.

    @skunkfish: Make your own mind up, based on how willing you're prepared to be each company's bitch. If you're completely unwilling, give up gaming. Unfortunate but true.

    @coomber: I dunno, Cosmic Avenger on top difficulty is pretty intense.

  • obidanshinobi #74 9 months ago

    @Feanor "Turn10 are whiny bitches."

    I bet that you have a ton of respect for Polyphony though don't you ?
    Who pissed in the faces of Gran Turismo fans who grew up playing GT 1,2,3 and 4.

    You wouldn't know nothing about that though as your probably only 12 years old and hate everthing about the 360 enough to comment on stories about games you won't even own or are interested in.

    GT5 fanboys piss me off, always posting silly comments on any news about Forza 4.
    Edited by obidanshinobi at 25/08/11 @ 15:31

  • ronuds #75 9 months ago

    EA goes back and forth from being loved to hated.

    I loved them in the 90s, hated them in 2000-2008, then loved them again to almost a year ago... and now I hate them. :p

  • obidanshinobi #76 9 months ago

    EA, bitter bastards, I suppose every industry has its shits

  • Kaminari #77 9 months ago

    Wake up, Xboys. EA is not running a charity business. And neither is Microsoft.

  • beatwolf #78 9 months ago

    Goddamn EA hope the people that decided this die a slow and horrible death!!

  • G-Money #79 9 months ago

    "Architect_z 2011-08-25 12:30:17
    It's not that big of a deal, Porsche's suck balls. Fact is (realistically) you'd never buy a porsche, if you had alot of money you'd buy Audi R8, Aston Martin DB9, Ferrari F430...etc // And if you just had enough for a porsche, you'd buy a Nissan GT-R, Vauxhall VXR8, Lotus Evora.

    Anyone who buys a Porsche is a grade-A dousche who knows nothing about cars.
    They arent bad cars, never said they were bad, but theres better cars for cheaper or mor expense.

    End of. ^_^"



    Thats gotta be one of the dumbest posts ive ever read on here. I traded my R8 to return to Porsche. If you had any experience whatsoever of driving high end cars you'd understand what a load of drivel you just wrote and why Porsche is THE car marque regardless of price.

  • busboy33 #80 9 months ago

    "We think we can compete and ultimately become market leading in the simulation authentic motorsport segment,"

    . . . and how do you plan to do that without Ferrari, you short-sighted nimrod?

  • altitude2k #81 9 months ago

    To be fair, the Porsche Boxster is the ultimate douche car.

  • Seansy #82 9 months ago

    @G-Money how true. Even from an engineering standpoint, the 911 is a marvel. Porsche have done incredibly well, and continue to do so.

    I love the GTR, but it doesn't sound half as special as a 911. Faster doesn't necessarily mean better. It's how it feels when driven really.

    Anyway... I don't care where it started, EA or T10, I want the new Porsche 911 and the 4.0 GT3!!

  • ronuds #83 9 months ago

    Yeah, to say Porsche's are inferior to other supercars is ridiculous. They are consistently rated one of the best. Sure, they might not look as fancy as some other supercars, but they hold their own in every other way.

  • Caimbeul #84 9 months ago

    All a bit childish really. Car manufacturers should just charge each Feb for the use. Simple and likely more lucrative. Also gets the brand about more. Oh well ruff will do.

  • WinterMute78 #85 9 months ago

    EA won't let Turn 10 use Porsche. Ok fine. Forza still has RUF and the rights to Ferrari. I think EA will be the ones to lose out from this. I'd have a Ferrari over a Porsche any day

  • tinners #86 9 months ago

    I'd rather not get nfs shift just to drive a porche when they handle like shit, comparative to forza which handles like a dream.

  • betrayerofhope #87 9 months ago

    lol at dan and turn 10.

    didnt they buy exclusive content for top gear?

    cry moar

  • FatZombie #88 9 months ago

    Who cares? He already said they'll have RUF in the game. That's Porsche by any other name, only more focused and refined.

  • G-Money #89 9 months ago

    @djronz

    oh look at me I missed the point

  • G-Money #90 9 months ago

    @Seansy - indeed, nothing gives driver feedback like a Porsche, the R8 is sterile in comparison and has the same switch gear and steering wheel as a 27k S3. Porsche remain one of the few car manufacturers that maintain a custom feel even while volumes creep up and as you rightly say the engineering is exemplary. I'll leave the GTR to the new money crowd who need the pub bragging rights for 0-60s, they'd be in the nearest ditch if they pushed a Porker hard.

    Vauxhall VXR8 - class! lmao
    Edited by G-Money at 25/08/11 @ 19:59

  • captain-future #91 9 months ago

    THE FUCK? EA pulls an Activision now?

  • DrStrangelove #92 9 months ago

    Now it's Forza and GT players together agains NfS. Isn't it? Guys?

  • BloodSaint #93 9 months ago

    Guys stop flaming EA. Forza didn't let EA have Ferraris in Shift 2 or Hot Pursuit.

  • Lamb #94 9 months ago

    Didn't Bill Gates buy a porsche from Germany then had to get rid of it as it wasn't street legal in the U.S.? :D

  • DRUNK3N-_-DRAGON #95 9 months ago

    lol lol lol lol lollollollol

  • CamberGreber #96 9 months ago

    I only Hope Forza doesnt retaliate and Stop EA from putting Ferraris in the next NEED FOR SPEED cause N4S is not as cool without Ferraris.

  • eltonbird #97 9 months ago

    Funny how some people like to turn this on T10 for "not letting EA have Ferraris in Shift 2"

    1) They've been trying to negotiate a deal with EA for "18 months", that's since before Shift 2 and Hot Pursuit. If they couldn't agree then, no wonder EA don't have Ferraris. That is as much EA's fault as anyone elses..

    2) T10 could only have granted them a license for Xbox and PC. So EA would still have had to obtain the rights for PS3 themselves. They could have done so an pressured MS into giving them Ferrari too, or have their version be a poor relation.

    EA have had plenty of time to find a compromise deal, as Dan G sai,m they've been trying to agree something for 18 months! It's ultimately EA's decision, and they've screwed the customers here. Shift 2 is not an option for any kind of sim racing fan, and I doubt their next one will be either.

  • eviroboy #98 9 months ago

    Slightly off-topic...

    I disagree with all the Shift bashing here, it may not be an out and out sim racer, it may not be as shiny as Forza or as boringly sterile as GT5 but tbh, I quite like it, as a racing game. Yes the controls are poorly implemented and require a hell of a lot of tweaking to feel right but as a racing game, it works. I like it's gritty nature, it has effects and great little nuances not available in other games. It's different. I like it.

  • Dekin #99 9 months ago

    EA being EA, no surprise here.

  • Silenus #100 9 months ago

    It doesn't seem to me that Turn 10 is really making the full story known. They appear to me to be twisting the story into something that can aid in generating sales while decreasing sales for someone else.

    This attitude was taken with Forza 3 against EA's simulation attempt Shift. I frankly don't see how it hurt EA's sales but you see the same attitude in the automotive industry. Often, with european manufacturers for some unknown reason.

    Frankly, I have to ask. If EA is the only way to get Porsche and Turn 10 was giving Ferrari back in co-operation then why did ONLY Shift have Ferrari's? And why were they only available on the Xbox360?

    EA has the license for multi-platform gaming but not for specific platforms if Porsche's license agreements are anything like Ferrari's. And trust me, the Need for Speed community has gone through all the evidence they've been able to glean from the gaming market in a situation where neither EA nor Ferrari have been willing to talk.

    It simply seems that Forza is willing to throw some mud in a situation where they know EA isn't going to speak up. Because when it comes to NFS and these sorts of situations. EA never speaks up.

  • Raconteur #101 9 months ago

    Has EA shot them selves in the foot?
    Porsche obviously want their cars promoted/visible as much as possible. When you compare EAs licensing stance ('hands off!') to T10s (hippy love-in), it would not surprise me if Porsche was less favourable to granting EA the licence again.

  • eltonbird #102 9 months ago

    Jesus some of you are either a bit thick or just don't read things!

    MS/T10 only have the Ferrari rights for Xbox and PC. That means they couldn't give EA the ability to use Ferrari beyond the Xbox and PC versions.

    That's why it was DLC for Shift 1, EA would never want to be seen to favour 1 platform so heavily to have Ferrari for free on the disk for Xbox, and were obviously not willing to license Ferrari themselves for the PS3.

    Why? Sony do so for GT. System 3 did for their Challenge game. You can' tblame T10 for EA not having Ferrari in Shift 2 or Hot Pursuit on ALL platforms. EA not wanting to pay for Ferrari on their own seems to be the bigger problem, they would need to in order to have platform parity across their games. Seems they would rather be cheap, not have Ferrari, and drag other peoples games down by denying them Porsches. How anyone can see that as MS/T10's fault is beyond me.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #103 9 months ago

    I'll echo what eltonbird has said.

    The fact that Ferrari are in Shift only on 360 shows that it was T10 that was willing to let EA use the license and EA werent willing to pay for or unable to negotiate for them on PS3.

    These negotiations for F4 were before Shift 2 and it would seem that EA took the decision that seeing as they can't have Ferrari on all systems they'll not bother, which then made it very easy for them to be massive cunts and not let T10 have Porsche.

    Or to put it another way, having Ferrari only on one format (which is all T10 could offer them) wasn't worth them giving Porsche to one of the top realism racers for which they want to compete.

  • inferna_hermit #104 9 months ago

    i love fifa 12 but i cance;ed my preorder , shame on you EA
    they did it to GT5,Forza 4 - they hyped NFS shift 2 but it sucked , medal of honor sucked too
    they have problems with VALVE , Activision and now i won't but B3 too
    that's it i'm done with EA.
    last gen they did the same shit over destrying westwood and many other studios.
    even i don't know i buy ME3 or not

  • forza_4_life #105 8 months ago

    i have read you can import yoir profile and ur garage from forza 3 so you can bring ur porsches over i hope thats possible

  • sosrandom #106 7 months ago

    Porsche and EA vs: Ferrari and Microsoft