Sony: No PS4 for "quite some time"

By Fred Dutton Published 17 June, 2011

Impossible to advance "what we have".

The PlayStation 3's successor is a very long way off, judging by comments from PlayStation US boss Jack Tretton.

Tretton told Forbes that the company is focussing heavily on the PlayStation 3 and Vita for the time being, and in any case, believes its current tech is still right on the cutting edge.

"PlayStation 3 is really just hitting its stride," he insisted. "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."

"What we've seen from the competition is trying to add features that already exist in PlayStation 3," he said.

"We invested heavily in that, we rolled a very heavy rock up a steep hill, through the launch period. But now I think that all pays off, and we've got a long run way behind it. So, I wouldn't look for any discussion of a next generation PlayStation for quite some time."

Microsoft is rumoured to be readying a new machine for a 2013 launch, whereas Nintendo has the Wii U lined up for a 2012 release. It seems Tretton wasn't too impressed by the latter's recent E3 reveal.

"I think there's ground to be carved out for everybody. But I didn't see anything about Nintendo's announcement that said 'Oh, we'd better get working on rolling out a new PlayStation here pretty soon.'

"Our attitude is kind of 'welcome to the party.' If you're looking at being a multimedia entertainment device, if you're looking at high def gaming, that was 2006 for us."

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  • Xardan #1 11 months ago

    So if MS releases a new and significantly more powerful Xbox in 2013, what will that mean for the PS3?

  • oi #2 11 months ago

    "the company is focussing heavily on the PlayStation 3 and Vita for the time being, and in any case, believes its current tech is still right on the cutting edge"

    :'D

  • TheTrueSpin #3 11 months ago

    Lies...

  • sfp_noodle #4 11 months ago

    *Sony at E3 2012*

    "We present to you the first details on our next generation home console."

  • inutaihanyou #5 11 months ago

    High confidence, i hope your ready to back that up, in the next couple of years.

  • Dizzy #6 11 months ago

    This will be a laughing quote once again next year probably.

  • dirtysteve #7 11 months ago

    "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."

    That's not as reassuring a quote as I imagine he intended.

  • Widge #8 11 months ago

    CONTINUE BUYING OUR EXISTING PRODUCT!!

  • RobotRocker #9 11 months ago

    ""We present to you the first details on our next generation home console. The PS3.5"

    Fixed.

    But right call by Sony. Consoles are hitting a plateau and anything really next gen is a bomb waiting to go off.

    So if MS releases a new and significantly more powerful Xbox in 2013, what will that mean for the PS3?

    They wont release anything significantly more powerful. Any new MS Console will probably be only two 360's taped together and focused around an integrated Kinect 2.

  • Xardan #10 11 months ago

    How bloody boring!

    If the next gen doesnt start in 2-3 years, im going back to PC gamer only.

  • Negotiator1 #11 11 months ago

    To quote every ones favourite Judge, "Baloney Sir baloney" and "that's a lot of who shot John", the PS3 was cutting edge in 2006 and 2007, but not any more. The new Xbox is coming and its gonna make the PS3 look like a pocket calculator, even Wii U will be more powerful for gods sake.









  • RobotRocker #12 11 months ago

    If the next gen doesnt start in 2-3 years, im going back to PC gamer only.

    Better get started now

    steampowered.com for your games

    newegg.com for your parts

    a site I cant link because the mods will yell at me for your fleshlight.

  • shadowdogg #13 11 months ago

    And I am sure Nintendo are saying. Motion controls, oh I wonder where they got that idea from.

  • Softie2k #14 11 months ago

    Looks like it might be piggy in the middle between Microsoft and Nintendo!

  • DozyKipper #15 11 months ago

    #1 Xardan said "So if MS releases a new and significantly more powerful Xbox in 2013, what will that mean for the PS3?"

    I guess it means the new Xbox titles will be gimped accordingly. Only first party stuff will make full use of it? I hope this won't be the case.

  • Sid-Nice #16 11 months ago

    I think the announcement of the Wii U has caused a lot of people to test the water; sublimely asking the question “Are we ready for the next generation?” Crytek have also stated that they don’t have the new Xbox specification details. There are too many rumours and no concrete evidence to take anything serious at the moment. I’m waiting for the announcement of the up and coming “The Legend of Zelda” movie.

  • makeamazing #17 11 months ago

    This will be a laughing quote once again next year probably.

    Only to people who don't have a clue about business. I mean telling consumers that the console you are going to pay alot of money for is actually going to be replaced in the next 12 to 18 months will definately put people off.

    If they do announce one at E3, i for one wont be laughing at this quote, i will be thinking how sensible they've been.

  • Negotiator1 #18 11 months ago

    Jack Tretton is a prized plum, another corker from the worlds most boring man, did you see him at E3, I didn't I fell asleep watching him.

  • onezeonx #19 11 months ago

    The day sony find out when the new xbox is out they will start taking about the ps4!

    Ps3 has a few years left but if msoft bring out a new console sony will have to match them

  • markyHD #20 11 months ago

    @FluffyTucker

    I think what he means is that if you were to look at it from an entertainment hub perspective. You are thinking too much from a graphics hardware perspective.

    Aside from raw output, he's correct in respect of it ticks all of the boxes:

    -HD gaming
    -PSN
    -Remote Play (hopefully WiiU like with Vita)
    -Quriosity
    -Browser
    -Vidzone
    -Blu-ray

    yada yada yada

  • Subdominator #21 11 months ago

    @RobotRocker: We already have various developers saying the next Xbox will be about ten times more powerful than the old one. Also integrating Kinect doesn't make any sense for Microsoft. It

    a) leads to much higher SKU prices meaning lower sales
    b) is totally impossible to integrate it into the console itself because some people like to hide their consoles, some use them standing, others lying ...
    c) would be against everything Microsoft has done this gen where they got rid of the HDD because not everybody needed it, where they had no WiFi internally (they have now) because not everybody needed it, they had no HDMI because not everybody had a HDTV ... basically what Microsoft wants is the hardware that all customers actually use, so they can sell the rest as addons. Some people are simply not interested in Kinect, so it makes no sense for Microsoft to give it to them (and therefore having higher prices).

    So it's Wii 2 in 2012, Xbox Next in 2013, PS4 in 2015, Wii 3 in 2017? That's quite hard to imagine considering it already hurt Sony seriously to be one year behind Microsoft, two would be even worse. They would have the same problem all over again, no competitive price and only slightly better graphics. Microsoft learned with the Xbox that it is important to be early on the market. Sony thought they could just do whatever they wanted because of their brand and they struggled. Imagine how far ahead Microsoft would be if they hadn't had the ring of death. PS4 will be out shortly after Xbox Next. But of course Sony hopes that Microsoft takes some more time. Microsoft on the other side has to keep up its momentum, so they will continue to present themselfs as the technology leaders.

    Now we know that Microsoft doesn't want to be second, they are always going for market leadership. They seem to have beaten Sony this gen, at least considering where both were last gen. So wouldn't it be possible they are attacking Nintendo now? Why not announce the next Xbox at E3 2012 and release it in November 2012? They're talking about life cycles of ten years, Xbox 360 will be at seven at that time. I can easily see them releasing the Xbox Next and have the 360 as the entry model right next to it for three years, just like Sony did with the PS2. There would even be enough games because of Wii 2 and PS3. Publishers can profit from the installed base of 70 million Xbox 360 while Microsoft lays the foundation for market leadership in the next gen. They want to release Halo 4 for Xbox 360 - but maybe they do it like Nintendo did with Zelda, dual release on old and next gen.

  • RodHull #22 11 months ago

    As much as I'm enjoying this generation of consoles, the lure of a DirectX 11 machine capable of rendering the likes of Witcher 2 at full spec is very strong.

  • sfp_noodle #23 11 months ago

    If MS announce their new console next year, then regardless of whether Sony are ready to show theirs it will definately affect their plans. No way, and I mean no way will Sony want to launch after MS again. They lost massive market share by launching the PS3 far too late because of their arrogance and I think they'll have learnt their lessons. The sensible and highly attractive pricing of the PS Vita reflects this. I expect their next home console to launch at a similar time frame to MS' console and at a much more affordable price than the one the PS3 launched at.
    Edited by sfp_noodle at 17/06/11 @ 22:34

  • Xardan #24 11 months ago

    Things could indeed get interesting. But lets not forget what really matters, which is the GAMES.

  • Ahskay #25 11 months ago

    Wow, that's quite an arrogant reaction after the hacking debacle from last month. I would've said, don't worry. When the competitors step up, rest assured we will follow.
    The Nintendo Wii wasn't also something to be afraid off yet it's nr. 1, 360 nr. 2 and ps3 nr. (heh) 3

    One thing he's right though, ps3 is hitting it's momentum now developers know how to code for the bloody thing!

    This coming from somebody who loves his ps3.
    Edited by Ahskay at 17/06/11 @ 22:38

  • markyHD #26 11 months ago

    @Xardan

    And the children. Won't someone think of the children?
    Edited by markyHD at 17/06/11 @ 22:38

  • Mchief22 #27 11 months ago

    If a new xbox is released in two years time, what's going happen is it'll release with average games that have great visuals, were as the PS3 will have developers who are well used to using the hardware and have awesome games with ok visuals.
    So it really depends what you want as a gamer, great gameplay experiences or shiny new graphics with below average gameplay!
    Edited by Mchief22 at 17/06/11 @ 22:42

  • darkmorgado #28 11 months ago

    "PlayStation 3 is really just hitting its stride," he insisted. "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."

    Yeah, because technology really hasn't moved on in the last 5 years.

    If your console is so fucking cutting edge, why does it still struggle to display games at 1080p 60fps?

  • ubergine #29 11 months ago

    I think Nintendo were a bit stupid to have a new console announced so close to the 3DS launch, especially a console that appears to be a new handheld. Sony are right not to suck oxygen from Vita with babble of new consoles.

    But I agree on the Xbox 360 U coming in 2013 and I reckon a fourth Playstation will follow suit in 2014, but they'll break the naming convention so it won't be called "PS4".

  • MeBrains #30 11 months ago

    good going. we do not need next gen to just have some more pixels.

    plenty of great games to look forward to still and plenty of novel gameplay experiences still to be thought out.

  • Phishfood #31 11 months ago

    The leap in graphical power in consoles always follows that of PC graphics. If Microsoft did come out with a new console I wouldn't expect it to be significantly better like the leap between original xbox and xbox 360. They would have to do something different like Nintendo.

  • sfp_noodle #32 11 months ago

    @ubergine

    I agree on the Nintendo thing. They've announced a price drop for the Wii, but at the same time have announced a new console due in the next year and a half. It's also backwards compatible so that will kill a lot of peoples interest in the current Wii console and therefore damage sales even further. Not only that but the 3DS has also suffered a rather rocky launch with mediocre sales so far. I really think Nintendo should have announced their new console at next year's E3 when they would have actual games to show rather than confuse the crap out of people by announcing a new controller.

    Also, if MS and Sony show off new hardware next year and it blows away what current HD consoles offer then it will take away all the thunder from Nintendo's console.

  • king26 #33 11 months ago

    Good, I feel that the PS3 has a good few years left yet, a few new Sony IPs is all that's needed

  • RobotRocker #34 11 months ago

    We already have various developers saying the next Xbox will be about ten times more powerful than the old one

    Developers are also notorious bullshitters who like sticking rumours out to see if console manufacturers will pick up on it. Carmack is only throwing out a line to see if someone will bite but its very unlikely because of the economy (Plus Carmack is a goddamn super genius and just likes tinkering about with new stuff and he'd rather see something like that than something he's already familiar with). Microsoft have as much sense as they have money and it won't be ten times as powerful

    Also integrating Kinect doesn't make any sense for Microsoft.

    Integrating Kinect to the package won't raise SKU prices massively, especially if they don't raise the power too much. As well, the technology on it will also get cheaper over time as well. (P.S I never said it had to be intergrated into the console itself. It can work like the Wii Sensor bar, really). And with Microsoft, it's unlikely that they too will give up gamepads, but Kinect is such a popular concept with the public at large and not gaming nerds that having the next gen Kinect included with the console is a killer app

    No, really. You are all really, really stupid if you even think that consoles will be reaching the ten times the power level some people want. The economy is trashed enough as is. How many dev studios have been killed this generation? I mean, Disney, the biggest frigging entertainment behemoth on the globe, severely cut back its gaming output and shut down one of the most talented studios today simply because they couldn't keep this generation profitable. Developers are now switching to iOS development to keep afloat and looking for smaller models. Apple has proved that you don't need brute force to sell a product any more. The biggest game in the world, right now, is Angry Birds. Everything is changing and power isn't the be all and end all any more.

    Existing technology, based on current dev cycles (Apparently the Wii U SDK's are based on PC architecture which was the biggest advantage the 360 had for development. Smart, Nintendo) with new ways to play. This is the "Next Gen" now. Anyone who doesn't like it, deal with it.
    Edited by RobotRocker at 17/06/11 @ 23:04

  • rprince #35 11 months ago

    So an announcement at next year's E3 then?

  • aphex187 #36 11 months ago

    Now we are seeing the problem where Consoles are constantly trying to play catch up to PC gaming and that's where Sony's bs 10 year cycle will always fail.

  • geox30 #37 11 months ago

    I too believe that it has some life in it.Not that it is faster than Xbox or anything,but it has quality titles and they keep coming.MS will want to repeat the current gen stunt,by releasing a new console first,but that is not a threat from the start to them.Also,off course they have plans,but it's not to their best interest to announce them,for obvious reasons.The Nintendo console is a mystery,which could be from a major player to a total failure.It depends on lot of things like third party support,networking,graphical power,etc.It will be interesting to see how things will turn out.
    Edited by geox30 at 17/06/11 @ 23:32

  • oupe #38 11 months ago

    All the console companies got each other by the balls.

    Nintendo - Could get into trouble if a new xbox is announced around the release of Wii U
    Sony - Could get into trouble if a new xbox is launched and will always suffer under the release of Wii U
    Microsoft - Will always suffer under the release of Wii U and HAS to release a new console if it wants to repeat this gen

    Then there's Onlive. Gaming as a service looks like the shape of things to come in the not so near future. I wouldn't be so surprised if Microsoft or Sony either bought the company or copied it.

    Finally, John Carmack mentioned that the gen after the next gen my be the last we'll see in terms of engineering (Moore's law). Making the entire business of console building a 15 year long deathtrap. The company that successfully first gets out of the physical machine industry and still manages to sell tons of games over the interwebs will start a new era in gaming.

    I'd prefer a PS6 to run my holodeck though.

  • geox30 #39 11 months ago

    About graphics: don't be fooled.Graphics in next gen consoles will be A LOT better.It's not only the resolution that adds to the quality,but few other things as well-no need for technical stuff.PCs are the test ground for future hardware but altough multiplatform games look better on PCs,they don't look that much better considering how much more powerfull they really are.That's because current games are being developed mainly for the console market and they stall graphical progress.

  • MARKIV #40 11 months ago

    Yes, there's nothing beyond our fudged cell processor gpu design that we couldn't get working in time so we had to-go last minute with an Nvida 7800 GT 256mb like gpu, apologies for all that screen tearing and the fact barely any of our AAA games can run in 1080p.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/11/gates-...
    Edited by MARKIV at 17/06/11 @ 23:39

  • Geowolf #41 11 months ago

    "We're not looking towards a PS4 because the PS3 emptied our banks in development and the hackers took the final change from our pockets." Alternative Universe Jack

  • BuddyChrist #42 11 months ago

    Playstation and Saturn situation. Let them fight till one dies.....

  • QotSAfan #43 11 months ago

    Gamers reading quotes made for investors. Let the hilarity commence!

  • geox30 #44 11 months ago

    I think that there is room for all three of them in the business and it would be bad for us consumers to loose anyone of them.1st place is great but you can be successful in 2nd or even in 3rd.Current gen proves this:all three were successful,in a slightly different way.Key element for Wii was its launch price and motion controls,for Xbox first hi-res console with good titles and excellent online,PS3 multimedia aspects and it got better over time.If each one of them plays his cards smart,I don't see why it couldn't be same thing-in a good way,all over again.

  • Yuroko #45 11 months ago

    I'm looking forward to next gen but, I dunno. I don't want what we have now but slightly better looking. I do but I don't want a PS4 and Xbox Next. It's so boring owning both this gen. They are too similar so I just play the Xbox mostly because of the pad and the majority of multiformat games are slightly better, play PS3 when exclusives come out.

    My favourite time for owning all the consoles was when the PS1, N64 and Dreamcast were on the market. PS1 had some cracking games covering most genres, N64 for multiplayer and the Dreamcast for arcade conversions. I played all the consoles all the time cause they each offered something unique. Then you had PS2, Xbox and GameCube and we're back to having 3 near identical consoles hosting the same old games. Now, I may have sold my Wii after growing tired of it but hats off to Nintendo for trying something new. We couldn't have another PS2/Xbox/GameCube gen again. I'm pleased Nintendo have tried something new again instead of just improving graphics like Sony and Microsoft have done. That is probably a disservice to them as they have improved more than just graphics but they are definitely just an evolution of the previous consoles.

    I'm sure I've said this before but if Sony and Microsoft are going to go is such similar directions then they may as well join forces. We'll use their machine for traditional gaming, Nintendo's for whatever silly idea they come up with next and if someone else wants to bring something unique to market then please join in. I'm sure that someone will be Apple.

  • nuanimal #46 11 months ago

    Can't provide anything better than you already have!? I think mid range gaming PCs for the last 2 years might have something to say about that...

  • Subdominator #47 11 months ago

    @Phishfood: The switch from Xbox to Xbox 360 was already huge. And that was a gap of four years. The next Xbox will be out eight years after the 360 so the step up will be enormous.

    @RobotRocker: Angry Birds has 250 million downloads. It is by far the most successful mobile game - but if you compare the most successful games you'll see that it barely reaches the revenue of a standard AAA title. If you put it against CoD Black Ops it is incredibly small. If the most successful mobile game with over 250 million players can't even reach 1/10 of the revenue of Black Ops, how the hell should mobile gaming ever be a real danger for consoles?

  • AaronTurner #48 11 months ago

    Personally I don't think there are many people that want a new Xbox at the moment, I think Sony have the right idea, it's still too soon. People say PC's are stretching away but really they aren't progressing that quickly, it's not like when the Playsation 2 was released and PC's surpassed it almost immediately. If new consoles are released soon then it will just feel like a half step.

  • Mr.Spo #49 11 months ago

    Well, if you're looking at motion controlled games, that was 2006 for Nintendo, and 2010 for Sony. If Wii U takes off, Sony won't be able to hold off on a new machine for long. Nintendo swept the rug from under Sony's home console business with Wii, and they're still playing catch up.

  • betrayerofhope #50 11 months ago

    last time sony rushed the ps3 to launch and they could not sell enough ps3 due to shortage of blu ray diodes.

    this time they will take their own sweet time. They bought their cell production factory back from toshiba. The blu ray tech has matured and the next generation rambus XDR ram tech is already here. So sony can take it's sweet time. No need to spend millions and millions for the core parts of the ps4.

  • geox30 #51 11 months ago

    @bobchickenkfc
    not that I don't agree that quality games are more important than graphics,but you are an idiot.There is no need to shout at anyone in here,just express your opinion.As for if a PS3 can perform equally with a PC,you should look Shogun 2 running on a good PC for example.There is a reason for a single GPU component to cost as much-or even more,as a console.I am not a snob for saying this,it's just a fact.Chill out with your PS3,it's a machine,not the extension of your dick.

  • night735 #52 11 months ago

    Get rid of the pesky hackers, THEN think about next gen! All we need is here and now. Graphics mean nothing if it can all be taken offline by a few virgin hackers.

    Be head them all, then we can talk next gen. Same goes for pc games (ex pc gamer)

    After all these hacks..... what is the major authoritys doing about it? Serious question on a serious matter!?!?

  • coolbritannia #53 11 months ago

    Next gen starts when they say it does!

  • geox30 #54 11 months ago

    @coolbritannia
    exactly!

  • Collymilad #55 11 months ago

    Really?

    Looks at PC...

    :|

    People who are saying there have been no graphical advances in the last 5 years are frankly idiots. A next gen would at least be able to provide true 1080p at rock solid framerates, unlike many games in the current gen.

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgS67BwPfFY
    ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgS67BwPfFY
    </a>

    You're telling me you don't want something closer to that? Fair enough that's not gameplay but it is in-engine. The actual gameplay won't be too far off.

    I don't agree with the "PC is basically upscaling" thing either. Most of the advances in PC graphics have been in more complex, detailed textures. Better, more accurate lighting and better and more particle effects. All small things that do add up to a big difference.
    Edited by Collymilad at 18/06/11 @ 00:59

  • vizzini #56 11 months ago

    In preparation for this generation, Sony were looking at how they could avoid the repeating theme of winning the console generation(as they did with Playstation and Playstation2) getting usurped by PC CPU clockspeeds/multicore & GPU mid-cycle and then starting back at zero each time, with high costs and zero install base; just like their competitors.

    The cutting edge design of the Cell processor(with its EiB to connect many PS3 Cells together efficiently via gigabit ethernet) + blu-ray was an attempt to change this situation, but at a cost of taking more years to catch/overtake the competition; and even more to get the costs down to competitive levels.

    Jack's comments seem to imply they've now got cost very much down, and have an N64 styled memory pak solution in the works; probably for another Cell Processor and more memory in a module that costs a small price; cheap like the N64 memory pak to ship free with games, and enough to make the difference between PS3 + high quality software to exceed or equal the mid range PC until PS4.

    John Carmack's comments mirror Jack's imo, and are correct. To go a delta more than a x360/PS3
    you need more than a xbox720/PS3.5 or high end PC, which is just upscaling really, lesser polished/delayed software in the PCs case.

    Instead you'd have to be talking about abandoning rasterization and moving to photon/ray tracing of interactive worlds(in HD/4K); and that isn't an ideal problem area for PC architectures (CPU & GPUs) just yet; unlike an array of 8 (or maybe more) Cell processors has shown to be, and a logical progression for Sony when their processor costs and thermal charateristics allow.

    Even from the angle of game production, it is going to be hard to make games that can deliver content in volume and quality that exceeds an Infamous 2, Assassin's Creed, Alan Wake and have low risk of losing money.

    Nintendo's 5year delay in joining the HD (rasterization) quality generation, supports what has been said by Jack Trenton to Forbes. Can Nintendo make an Ocarina of time-esq game at an Uncharted 2 or Halo quality level?

    What is most interesting is how much of the theoretical performance developers will eventually get from PS3 this gen, and whether Sony will provide an upgrade option and do a new enhanced Playstation 3X sku when xbox 720 arrives.

  • peterfll #57 11 months ago

    Well, you wouldn't have to do much to the existing PS3 spec to nudge it up to even higher plane. A little bit more memory, a slightly better GPU.

    Not that I'm knocking what you can achieve with what it has - & Uncharted 3 is on track to make my draw drop. But to suggest there's nothing that can be added to it 5 years on from launch from a technological perspective is just plain stoopid.

  • Schmoke-n-a-pancake #58 11 months ago

    @peterfill

    Stuff can be added. But is there a sound economic argument for adding it?

    People have got to look at the business model and the market at the moment. Nobody is going to make money off of raw power. There needs to be more to the package.

  • riseer #59 11 months ago

    If Sony can pump great games out of the thing more power to em...I think Ps3 has the legs.I would like to see a new console by 2013,that would be perfect imo.They have so much invested in Ps3 it's only right they try to get some of their losses.

  • Machiavellian #60 11 months ago

    Lets be honest, Sony doesn't want the next gen to start because they still need to recoup from this Gen. It's not in the best interest for Sony or MS to release or even talk about their next efforts until about another 3 years. Both companies are still selling strong and games are selling still big. Developers are getting a grip with both system and still squeezing out performance and great games. Developers, Sony and MS stand to make quite the sum of money in the next 3 years without having to afford big investment in tech.

    Both companies probably could easily bring out a system that is 10 times more powerful then what they have now. Most GPUs on the market have that power now. It's only because developers do not have a base line system to totally throw their weight behind that you do not see that power today.

    I would not be surprise that MS is not sending out test systems to developers now to get a grasp on what the community is looking for. I believe Nintendo is on the right track. You just cannot come out with a more powerful system, you also need to think smart how give developers the tool to great awesome games.

    I cannot wait to see how Sony and MS try to separate their consoles from each other, it should be fun.

  • rotmm #61 11 months ago

    @betrayerofhope, "last time sony rushed the ps3 to launch and they could not sell enough ps3 due to shortage of blu ray diodes."

    I remember that, with the diode shortage leading to stockouts. In fact, the same Jack Tretton saying it's not possible for the PS3 to be more advanced as it is now was generously offering $1200 for anyone who could find a PS3 sitting on a shop shelf not long after launch.

  • SG #62 11 months ago

    Perhaps this means that the Wii U is actually going to be as juicy as technology allows at the time.

  • drumbaby #63 11 months ago

    I'm glad he's taking that stance, bravado or not....because I'm eagerly awaiting certain GAMES in 2011, not just better shiny pixels.

  • bluemax #64 11 months ago

    We all know that the graphics on PC are better but a lot of people tend to forget that they won`t get a new Xbox or PS for 300€ we are talking in a price range of 600€!! I know how maxed out PC Games look, clearly better than anything on consoles but its not a generational leap imo and for that I don`t pay big bucks. Finally don`t forget how shitty the first games this generation were, same people who are crying now for next gen will be whining about pretty graphics but shallow gameplay.
    Don`t get me wrong I`m not against new consoles but I want a really big leap not some PS 3.5 or something, besides don`t forget the huge costs for the developers. This genaeration has some time left.

  • OllyJ #65 11 months ago

    I'd quote happily take a bit more CPU grunt and more memory thanks! You try making a game sound like it does on pc on a ps3.

  • geox30 #66 11 months ago

    @Collymilad
    "PC is basically upscaling" in most cases,yes.I am talking for the majority of multiplatform games that are being developed for the consoles and being ported to PC.Then,there are PC exclusives,like Shogun 2(running in Directx11) and the Witcher 2,that do PC hardware justice.All I am saying is that PCs may be 10x faster,but games in most cases are not 10x better looking.

  • davisorle #67 11 months ago

    Post deleted at 20:44:35 16-04-2012

  • knocker #68 11 months ago

    I get the feeling that the last couple of generations of hardware have been replaced about 18 months too early. Some of the more interesting software comes around toward the end of the cycle and the hardware design of the last generation seems a bit rushed. Horsepower over longevity.

    Framerate/pixels can be improved but that's going to be a really hard sell to the general public.

    (Edit: reading the above it seems framerate/pixels isn't going to be enough to entice a lot of gamers either)
    Edited by knocker at 18/06/11 @ 09:21

  • Subdominator #69 11 months ago

    @bluemax You'll get hardware worth 600 as an early adopter but there's no way you will have to pay more than 400 for it.

  • knocker #70 11 months ago

    "I dont give a crap about it but why put words where they dont fit? "

    He's a man in a suit it's what men in suits do. Think of them as uber fanboys and you won't go wrong. They didn't get where they are today etc ..

    (some men in suits are men in black poloneck jumpers.

  • Biker_Bob_1971 #71 11 months ago

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  • bluetoothion #72 11 months ago

    Perhaps Sony's view is that an Juicier Cell ( perhaps working in the background to make it an actual CPU/GPU as originally planned)
    and the best at the time Ram along with some Sony ready tools would be an easy leap from PS3 to PS4 so it won't be as time consuming as it was to create PS3 from scratch.

    Also connecting multiple PS3s seems to be there is a small window of upgrade ability or PSP-esque over clocking Cell with some sort of RAM upgrade... even though i think that is a far fetched scenario but could mean that the 10 year plan was indeed a plan who knows...

  • zecker #73 11 months ago

    meh M$ is always rushing it more RROD and jet engines in the living room for everyone!

  • RawNinjaKid #74 11 months ago

    I don't think Sony want their home console to be the least powerful on the market for a long period of time.

    That said, I hope both Sony and MSFT design good stuff and not rush it. Especially when it's difficult nowadays to launch AAA titles on day one nowadays. Remember King Kong on the 360 and Resistance on the PS3?? There were okay, but only about 5% better than the previous generation!

    I think I actually played on the PS2 during that period!And like the previous poster said, I don't want jet engines, massive power bricks and faulty hardware.

    I am fairly confident that the Wii U will run very smoothly with low fault rate.

  • stormbringer_2011 #75 11 months ago

    surely what they really mean is PS4 won't be released until we have something to replace blu-ray. sony love pushing new technology upon us (whether we want it or not)

  • drumbaby #76 11 months ago

    Really? Or maybe they saw the need for larger storage too? The Wii U is coming out with larger capacity Blu-Ray spec discs, and it won't even play high defintion movies.

  • rottingyoda #77 11 months ago

    What a dickheaded thing to say, "that was 2006 for us". In 2006 you managed 720p at a rocky 30fps. Thats like a PC owner saying 'yeah, well i had that since 2000'.

    I really hope this new Nintendo console can do a solid 1080p. Plus, he even missed that point of their E3 show if all he's focusing on are the game resolutions. Did you not see the new pad Mr Tretton?

  • DiamondIce #78 11 months ago

    I am happy for this generation to continue. Since I have grown up getting all hot and bothered over graphics is not something I care to get involved in.

    @ #53

    The last sentence is ironic in that a lot of PC gamers (from what i have read from comments in the forum) seem to think their box of chips is an extension of their genitals.

  • penguin_overlord #79 11 months ago

    Realistically, I think the PS4 will be out Christmas 2013. Microsoft will almost certainly show the next Xbox at E3 next year, ready for a launch around November 2012. They depend on having a head start over Sony to gain sales momentum and won't want to launch head-to-head with the PS4 - they need that one year advantage and also won't want to delay the launch much beyond the release of the Wii U, especially if it is a more powerful console.

    Launching the 360 12-18 months ahead of the PS3 was key to the console's success. No doubt the PS3's high sales price was a big factor as well but had they gone head-to-head at launch there's no doubt in mind that the PS3 would have a sales advantage by now as the sales gap is already narrowing a lot. Sony have been hinting lately that the PS4 will cost less to develop than the PS3 did so I expect it's retail launch price will be less as well - definitely below £400 - especially as it will use Blu-ray again and the cost of that was a big factor before. I think the price of the PS3 Vita has surprised everyone so Microsoft won't want to chance going head-to-head with the PS4 at launch if it's the same price as the next Xbox, especially as PS3 sales would have overtaken 360 sales by then.

    And although Sony do keep saying there's a ten year lifecycle for the PS3, that doesn't mean the PS4 won't launch before then as the PS3 will still be sold alongside it and will probably drop down to £99 by Christmas 2013 and get an even smaller design. If Microsoft do debut the next Xbox in 2012, alongside the Wii U, no way will Sony want to delay launch by more than a year.

  • natureboy #80 11 months ago

    I am a fan of video games and i think this is a good move from Sony. The PS3 in my opinion, has at least 3-4yrs of juice left. Developers are still pushing the system as we speak and it has not even peaked yet. The PS2 peaked towards the end of its life time (10 yrs) Nintendo had to launch seeing as the Wii is the weakest of the bunch. There is no need of Microsoft to rush out the 360 but this is Microsoft and she wants to get ahead of the competition

  • dagas #81 11 months ago

    Lower the price of the PS3 already! It's five years old and still costs as much as the Dreamcast or Wii did at launch. It should be no mora than €150 at this point.

  • Bander #82 11 months ago

    "technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have"

    Cell never took off like it was supposed to, so it looks like there haven't been any higher performance processors in the Cell family that are cost effective. If Sony have to switch to another type of CPU, backwards compatibility with the PS3 is lost. That's likely to be a big disadvantage against the next Xbox, since we don't really know what will differentiate the next machines beyond expected better visual fidelity. So right now I think Sony have to sit back and hope a solution comes along before it becomes too late.
    Edited by Bander at 18/06/11 @ 11:15

  • Darren #83 11 months ago

    If Sony don't think it's possible to provide any technological advance beyond the PS3 then they clearly aren't trying hard enough IMO!!! :o

    You only have to look at current PCs to see how dated the hardware inside the PS3 is becoming although that's not to say it doesn't have any impressive looking games as Uncharted 3 proves.

  • TRUTH #84 11 months ago

    Good !!! I hate it when new consoles appear to quick - The Wii now looks like a disposable console with wasted maximum cost (inc add-ons) that never fulfilled it's potential or even tried. Now with Wii U coming so soon, Wii will really start to fade away and feel like wasted. This I feels like a lot of money gone down the pits!...I'm glad MS and Sony are not jumping the gun to get the next console out quick. There's plenty of penitential left in 360/PS3. Both PS3 and 360 will give a feeling of a console that fully served it's gaming + purpose and feel you really got your moneys worth. I bought the 360/PS3 in there 1st year of release and am glad it's not being shoved aside to make way for something new when not needed; this brings me more respect and commitment to both console for making my gaming time last it's full life cycle to the very end - unlike Nintendo!. With Skyrim, Deus Ex, Street Fighter Vs Tekken, Unchareted 3, Dark Souls, Shadow Of The Dammed, Rage, Ninja Gaiden 3, Ghost Recon...all still to hit 360/PS3; we really don't need a new console for at least 4yrs. I also predict Wii U will suffer greatly when the power of next gen consoles start to emerge in approx 2yrs!...Overpowered not underpowered Wii U.

  • mkreku #85 11 months ago

    Cutting edge.. My mobile phone has more RAM than your cutting edge console, Tretton.

  • Lucodeath #86 11 months ago

    If you want next gen quick then get a decent pc.

  • 43n1m4 #87 11 months ago

    I know PR talk shouldn't be taken too seriously, and I can understand the financial decisions to prolong the lifetime of the PS3, but the claim:
    "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."
    sounds a bit desperate to me. In 2013, an estimate of 7-10x the performance of existing consoles, more RAM for high resolution content and all fitting into lower power consumption (and thus more quiet machines) and so forth, would definitely bring about some 'technological advancements', whether he, or anyone else, wants it or not.

  • zedzee #88 11 months ago

    "...the company is focussing heavily on the PlayStation 3 and Vita." No, I think they need to focus on Vita - please don't make it a disaster like the PSP series - let's give it the backing it deserves and let's open it up, so that gamers can run Android Market apps on it, as well as the more expensive games.

    For the life of me, I don't understand why Sony would develop a console with the 'Droid OS on it, yet block it from running Android apps from the Market! And then complain (as we read on here a couple of weeks' ago) that there's "no way" for Sony to compete with the .59p games market!!

    Why are they doing this to the Vita?!!!

  • Sid-Nice #89 11 months ago

    Technology has been a ‘Crock of shit’ in recent years; from PC’s, TV’s and gaming consoles. The original Xbox, GameCube and PS2 all looked fine on a SDTV; yet this generation we had to upgrade to a HDTV to get the best out of our video games consoles. With the PC there’s the constant need to upgrade to get the best experience possible and before you see your graphics card running at its full potential it has suddenly become obsolete.

    My biggest worry concerning the next generation of home consoles; is will it require the need of an Ultra HDTV? The cost would be astronomical if Microsoft and Sony took that route. Even if the next generation uses 1080p as standard; development costs would rise, people would want to see a vast improvement to justify an upgrade. As with every new generation of hardware; early game releases barely look any better than the best of the previous generation.

    That’s why I think Nintendo are in a great position with the Wii U. The console has backward compatibility with the Wii peripherals and games; it also has an innovating new controller and it just might display 1080p without the glitches we’ve been accustomed to this generation. If the Wii U has a 5 year life cycle then in 2017 Nintendo will be gearing up to launch the Wii Next. That would give them the same opportunity as they have now; being able to launch a console with slightly more power than the competitors at a reasonable price.

  • tossum #90 11 months ago

    Message for the twats noting that pc graphics are not leaps and bounds beyond the ps3: this is because they are designed for the current gen consoles. geometry, textures, ai, physics- all with the ps3/x360 in mind. if a ps4 came out tomorrow with current high-end pc components, games designed for it would definitely be leaps and bounds better.

  • TRUTH #91 11 months ago

    PC's are also changing - to quick, yet not very user friendly. That is there problem, there is no fixed system for developers to work on. Everyone has a differen set up inside the box from sound to graphics to memory and other bits!...to many configurations to get games working, esp if your not familiar with operating/setting up games for PC's . Consoles are friendly with no problems playing games straight out of the box.

  • TonyHarrison #92 11 months ago

    Sony lost billions in the first few years of the PS3's life, they can't afford to do that again. The end.

  • UncleLou #93 11 months ago

    not ONE single PC game looks leaps and bounds ahead of what the PS3 can do, sure PC does better framerate and has little or no screen tearing but the ACTUAL graphics are not any better

    Whether that's true or not is one thing, but HD, consistently high framerate, anti-aliasing, vsync are all factors that are at least as important as "ACTUAL graphics". And also very much part of it. I like my PS3, but it sure is a bit of an eye-strain to play something as jerky as L.A. Noire compared to the image quality/framerate a half-decent PC gives you.
    Edited by UncleLou at 18/06/11 @ 13:54

  • Sid-Nice #94 11 months ago

    I’m not an analyst but I can still see the PS3 selling at least 80 million consoles this generation and as with the PS2 it will continue to sell after the release of the PS4. The Xbox 360 will perform similarly until the release of the Next Box; the Wii will shift about 100 million units, with the latter boost in sales down to price reductions and the incentive to pick up a Motion Plus controller relatively cheap before the launch of the Wii U. The total of console units sold this generation could surpass the previous generation by 100 million units.

    Will that be 100 million non-gamers who bought a Wii or have the majority of gamers bought all 3 consoles?
    Edited by Sid-Nice at 18/06/11 @ 13:57

  • giapel #95 11 months ago

    Thing is, apart from the likes of Epic, iD, and Crytek, the rest of the developers don't want more powerful consoles. Different platforms? Yes. They do like handhelds, mobiles, tablets, kinect whatever. But not more processing power. They really can't afford to push the graphical fidelity any further. Just let them make games. Good call Sony!

  • Miths #96 11 months ago

    Not releasing a new console roughly around the same time as MS seems a little unlikely, doesn't it?
    As much as I love my PS3 (while I never felt the urge to replace my 360 that died in 2009, around the same time as my first PS3 did) I'm most certainly not enough of a Sonly loyalist, not to go out and buy a new console from the competition if it's sufficiently powerful (and obviously the next gen consoles from MS and Sony are going to make a big hardware leap).

    Although with the typical lack of an extensive launch lineup of games, I'm sure I would keep using my PS3 alongside a new XBox for a while of course.
    Edited by Miths at 18/06/11 @ 15:23

  • JeffGerstmann #97 11 months ago

    this reminds me of formular 1 pit stop strategies

  • Mickeman #98 11 months ago

    He is still looking for the key to "unlock the power of the cell".

  • Jenslyn87 #99 11 months ago

    I think Microsoft could take advantage of this. If they release a new console in 2013, they could really bring some heat to Sony by having a significantly more powerful console. I think it's mostly a matter of beefing up the cpu a bit and focusing on the GPU

  • Walkerj #100 11 months ago

    I love jack, that was 2006 for us, lol

  • sourc0r #101 11 months ago

    @#50

    What the...? i must humbly accuse you of being blind and ignorant, sorry for that. No one can deny the fact that console tech is OUTDATED. The graphics DO NOT look similar to what a decent PC is able to come up with, that would only be down to lousy ports and seems to fool people everywhere. and don't even start with originality, you and me both know that such a thing does not officially exist within the developers' heads.
    you could say that graphics don't matter. you could say that the consoles are still not 'completely' stressed. But please don't say they are holding up quite good with thee pc cuz thats lies. lies like what Tretton just said about his overwhelming 2006 console. They are just tryin to get over the next years anyhow before a new console release beside the Vita is affordable, hoping that Microsoft will have its problems and Nintendo's Wii U won't crash em

  • Tiberius_Gracchus #102 11 months ago

    If Microsoft release the next xbox in 2013 will the public be ready for it? IMO consumers are spoilt for choice this generation. Bringing a new console out in the next 2 years wouldn't tempt me to upgrade. Move and kinect have only been recently released for the current consoles remember, a new machine in 2 years is asking a lot of consumers when they have just invested in these new peripherals.

  • des #103 11 months ago

    E3
    2010,Tretton:"PSP is alive,hey Marcus"
    2011,Tretton:"PSP is dead,all hail PS Vita"

  • joelstinton #104 11 months ago

    To be honest, neither one or the other between Msoft and Sony can't afford to go next gen.
    1) Sony only started making profit on the ps3 last year of april.
    2.)PSP vita is selling at a loss from launch.
    3.) Game development costs are high as it is. Studios like Black Rock, Bizarre, and loads more are closing down, and sony recently cut jobs at various in house studios. Next gen games will rocket in production costs, and increase the RRP of games.
    4) Whilst PC games are better looking, they not massive leap ala ps1-2-3.
    5)Machines to run these games are expensive to make and putting them into console format will incur more costs.
    6)Say if Msoft released a next gen console in 2014. Developers would be happier developing for a ps3 and WII u of similar power, rather than one console that is next gen. If anything it going to take some balls from sony, and msoft to jump the gun.
    7) developers are producing good games as they are and are starting to understand the consoles. Games like Uncharted really do look terrific.
    8)the consumer- the climate is not right for a new launch. People can;t keep shelling out for new consoles. And for the manufactures, the market share is more split than it ever has been. And most of it belongs to a console that is last gen in terms of tech.

    I'm quite happy as we are. Would like some more varied games though please.
    Edited by joelstinton at 18/06/11 @ 19:32

  • Quixz #105 11 months ago

    Black Rock and Bizarre didn't close because of development costs, their games just didn't sell very well!

    E3 2013 sounds about right for a PS4 announcement.

  • Bleemo #106 11 months ago

    Some people really don't know what they are talking about on here. First off for those who have been around the block with the whole console wars, this is typical guff from a high up from one of the big three. How many years did Reg waffle on about gaming not being about graphics and a HD wii wasn't needed? This was code for "Nintendo couldn't afford to compete with the other two coming in 2nd and last in the last two console wars, so we had to do something different. As soon as we can afford HD we'll change our tune..." and they did.

    Now fast forward and Tretton laughably states that they cannot better the PS3 tech despite the fact my mid range PC makes Batman:AA look infinitely better and load much faster than my PS3 does. This is code for, "hey guys we just started making money, it's all fine and dandy for Ninty they made a shit load of dough already, just be patient foo's."

    Thing is we don't need a high end PC spec for a new console because the current consoles are that old. As Carmack has stated developers would deffo benefit from more a more modern CPU, more RAM, Hard drive space and a slightly more modern GPU. This was solidify framerate, allow all games to be installed to the system and Hard saves if warranted, it would also improve load times in general. It would also allow more items in game and superior physics and AI which WOULD improve the games so it isn't just about graphics. Some of these things don't necessarily cost more to make games either. With AI you are potentially adding to existing code. Having a more powerful GPU simply improves the standard of in game art that doesn't mean it takes longer to make when the graphical jump isn't as great.

    Look at the superiority of Witcher 2 even on a medium machine in terms of look, AI, amount of items, load times over something like Red dead redemption on the PS3 which only came out last year.

  • coolbritannia #107 11 months ago

    Oh hey it's Astro Creature! Got anymore made up facts today bro?

  • lockload #108 11 months ago

    The ps3 has ana average at best gpu which holds it back all the time it can definitely be bettered and easily

  • Schmoke-n-a-pancake #109 11 months ago

    @Bleemo

    That's all good and well. Who's buying it?

  • brod #110 11 months ago

    PS4 has nothing to offer me. I already have a PS3 for Bluray and PlayTV, and I am firmly in the Xbox camp when it comes to multi-platform console games.

    I *might* pick one up when it's near the end of its lifespan and play some PS4 exclusives, but even that is unlikely.

  • irrational-gaz #111 11 months ago

    Sony are on the verge of financial collapse so I highly doubt that PS4 is any further than the earliest iteration of development let alone coming within the next two years. People seem to forget though that at the tail end of the ps2 lifetime it was producing games that were graphically beyond what anyone thought the machine was capable of.The hardware set up may be OOD by PC gamer standards but that by no means makes it obsolete. I recall MGS 4's stunning E3 2006 debut which was programmed using ps2 hardware.

  • geordiek #112 11 months ago

    I'm with bobchickenkfc. My PS3 is more than just a games machine for me (and I think for a lot of other people too) I don't want to have shell out for a new console just for a few extra tweaks, when an add on could do the job just fine.

  • AmethystSword #113 11 months ago

    Tretton is a bit crazy I find at times haha.

  • penhalion #114 11 months ago

    So E3 2012 then just like Microsoft.......

  • mrvinny000 #115 11 months ago

    I don't doubt ps3 has at least another 2yrs before Sony announce a new console and a further 12mths for it to come to market . With Vita out at xmas a lot will depend on pricing and functionalty between the two. With Skype on psp and Vita i was thinking maybe Ps3 functionality too and with my biggest hope of a flash player update for the browser then Sony really shouldn't be worried about a new home console for a while .
    But with Vita's high pricing so far i think it will flop until the price is lowered but £50-£80 and without the flash / decent browser update for both Ps3 and Vita then the games will be great but functionality will be getting worse .
    I love Sony products and as gaming goes i'm sure both will be fine but functionality is key to keeping its users and as it stands like their mobles division they are not making many fans in terms of support and much needed updates.

  • RobTheBuilder #116 11 months ago

    He kind of...kind of has a point about HD gaming but to suggest that there is no advancement to be made is clearly complete bullshit. Apparently the latest two generations of graphics cards, processors and Physx don't exist...

  • scuffpuppies #117 11 months ago

    I just hope that whomever releases a next gen machine first doesn't flood the market with current gen games with slightly higher textures. The first 2 years of the 360's life cycle was incredibly dull. I'm not going to spend £300 again just for 1080p.

  • OwningXylophone #118 11 months ago

    For everyone harping on about a "RAM upgrade pack" or anything remotely similar, it won't happen as it splits your userbase and causes confusion. The average joe who doesn't keep up to date with this kinda thing isn't going to realise that the copy of 'Resistance 4' that they just bought on ebay won't work on their PS3 because they don't have the upgrade, remeber in general us "hardcore" gamers actually make up the minority of people who own these consoles.

  • RobotRocker #119 11 months ago

    Black Rock and Bizarre didn't close because of development costs, their games just didn't sell very well!

    The point is sailing over your head. The development costs are so high that the games have to sell extremely well to recoup their costs. Most AAA Games need to clear 1.5 million shipped at least to break even. If they don't break even, they take a loss in their royalties and in most modern cases, studios shut down or downsize significantly. It's getting to be like gambling now and thats a huge problem. However, the further you go into a generation, the more costs slide down as technology becomes cheaper and development processes become streamlined and games become cheaper and easier to produce. That's Nintendo's hook for the Wii U that developers and publishers wont have to spend more on it because its based on what they know. And as said, Apple have proven that you don't need to have brute force to sell technology any more. That's why it would be extremely unlikely to see huge power boosts from Sony and Microsoft in their next generation consoles. It's all about the software and the "new ways to play".

    However, if a console is made ten times more powerful, there are new development processes to be learned. More money to be invested in new technology and software and everyone is back to square one and spending a ton more money on games which would cost more and more to the developer, publisher and consumer. In this economy, it would be suicide.

    At the same time, I dig irony and schadenfreude a lot. So "hardcore" gamers killing their own hobby by demanding more and more out of the industry to the point they murdered it would be the ultimate in irony and schadenfreude for me.

  • RevanNL #120 11 months ago

    Translation: we're hard at work to develop the PS4. We'll announce it at E3 2012 but right now we have to sell loads of PS3's so that I can cash in my bonus at the end of the fiscal year.

  • Bleemo #121 11 months ago

    "The point is sailing over your head. The development costs are so high that the games have to sell extremely well to recoup their costs. Most AAA Games need to clear 1.5 million shipped at least to break even. If they don't break even, they take a loss in their royalties and in most modern cases, studios shut down or downsize significantly. It's getting to be like gambling now and thats a huge problem"

    But the costs wouldn't leap up because they are already making the higher spec version of their game for the PC enthusiasts in mosts cases. So Batman: AA on High on the PC would equal Xbox 720 version of the game or whatever they are going to call it, they are already making a high end version. Some of the cost that goes into making the game is spent on devs finding ways to make a game run well on a legacy system all those costs would go on a high end machine as they could just throw caution to the wind. Of course that too brings with it some issues like lazy developing which in turn leads to bloated software but that has been going on since the dawn of time.

    We are talking about 2 years from now, can you honestly say you will still be enthused about your Xbox 360/PS3 in two years time? I am looking forward to Uncharted 3 and the Last Guardian plus a few of the HD packs (Splinter cell and ICO/Last Guardian sets) but beyond that nothing is popping. Another Uncharted on this hardware would become too samey, we need another boost to improve the physics, AI and load times.

  • Retro_ #122 11 months ago

    Actually, In the next 18months I will be ready for the Next gen. I Suspect the PS4 will be download only, just to combat the 2nd hand market and that is a double edged sword. It'll encourage developers but sadly, we'll ending up paying almost full RRP. Whatever, I await all this with a certain amount of excitment.

  • vizzini #123 11 months ago

    OwningXylophone: For everyone harping on about a "RAM upgrade pack" or anything remotely similar, it won't happen as it splits your userbase and causes confusion. The average joe who doesn't keep up to date with this kinda thing isn't going to realise that the copy of 'Resistance 4' that they just bought on ebay won't work on their PS3 because they don't have the upgrade, remeber in general us "hardcore" gamers actually make up the minority of people who own these consoles.

    You could be right; but they are all multicore engines now that should scale easily as they have to support multi-platform on PC/360/PS3 anyway.

    So releasing a CoD 4 with a free expansion pak in the £65 edition to provide v-synched 2D/3D at 1080p60fps playback, instead of tearing 2D/3D at 720p60fps, would hardly fragment the market, and would could easily be a popular option for new games like Last Guardian and Uncharted 3.

    It could also provide a £5 per game DLC upgrade patch for many existing games(gran turismo 5, kz3, etc) to subsidies the free upgrade pak.

    For publishers it could also provide a second revenue stream for existing games, where they were able to easily patch in the utilisation of the extra resources. With so many games using UE3 that shouldn't be too difficult.

    But it largely depends on how long Sony want this generation to last and if they could afford to do an upgrade pak cheap enough to bundle free with games.
    Edited by vizzini at 19/06/11 @ 20:37

  • coldfoot #124 11 months ago

    He's going to deny it right until the day he announces it, that's how business is.

  • Schmoke-n-a-pancake #125 11 months ago

    @bleemo

    "can you honestly say you will still be enthused about your Xbox 360/PS3 in two years time?"

    If all your offering is current day PC quality for £300, then yes, the Xbox 360 and PS3 will be hugely appealing to many, especially at price points of under £100.

  • Bleemo #126 11 months ago

    "again take uncharted 2 gorgeous game no screen tearing and decent frame rate so why in the blue fuck cant all developers do that with games its pure laziness nothing less! it can be done and Naughty Dog proved it."

    It's not, Uncharted is a simple linear game it doesn't have the sheer volume of NPC's or items that an RPG like Fallout 3 or an action adventure like RDR does. There is always going to be a loss somewhere in regards to getting the most out of the processor and memory. The sad part is that the two HD consoles are ALMOST at the stage that some people on here seem to think they are but not quite. They need a shade more CPU, double Memory and a more modern GPU before we see all games at 60 FPS with excellent graphics, smooth load times and little in the way of graphical glitches.

    "If all your offering is current day PC quality for £300, then yes, the Xbox 360 and PS3 will be hugely appealing to many, especially at price points of under £100."

    You could apply that argument to every single console transition throughout time. Every console at launch is significantly dearer than the old one being phased out. The PlayStation 2 was mostly just a graphical update to the PlayStation but people bought it in their droves. The bottom line is people like new gadgets, iPhone sales prove that people will spend big money on arbitrary upgrades of tech as long as it seems cool to them.

    The thing is current PC tech won't even be that expensive in 2 years time. Plus it is not like it is too soon, the Xbox 360 came out in 2005, so if they launch the next one in 2013 that means the 360 had an 8 year life cycle.

  • Ryze #127 11 months ago

    Not enough RAM.

  • Schmoke-n-a-pancake #128 11 months ago

    @bleemo

    Your thinking is so skewed!!

    "You could apply that argument to every single console transition throughout time. Every console at launch is significantly dearer than the old one being phased out. The PlayStation 2 was mostly just a graphical update to the PlayStation but people bought it in their droves. The bottom line is people like new gadgets, iPhone sales prove that people will spend big money on arbitrary upgrades of tech as long as it seems cool to them. "

    You've thrown together a bunch of unrelated things to try and validate your own hunger for a more powerful console.

    Let me spell this out for you - Microsoft and Sony won't launch their new consoles because of a technological need, they'll do it because of an economical need.

    So you can yak on about tech specs till you're blue in the face, all that matters is the market place and what it can support.

  • Sutorcen #129 11 months ago

    Impossible to advance what you have? Of course it is. You don't have the brains behind it to advance anything any more. With Kutaragi out of the picture SCE products will be geared to do one thing. PROFIT. Even the Vita isn't innovative. It's just a device that marries existing technologies into one device. Nothing more. I want to see you say that if MS also releases a new console in 2012. I am getting so tired of Sony and their BS.

  • edhe #130 11 months ago

    "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."

    .....

  • scoop #131 11 months ago

    "And technologically, I don't think it's possible to provide any advancement beyond what we have."

    I just knew that Moore's Law was a lie!

    Actually, I don't think we need better faster consoles; we need consoles that are easier to develop for, and more accessible to indies.

    Apple did it with a mobile phone, and Microsoft have almost done it -- so why can't Sony do it?

  • scoop #132 11 months ago

    Oh, and maybe just upgrade the RAM for a 3.5 at least. Bloody sick of playing crusty 720p games on a 1080p telly, that aren't even using a full 720p framebuffer.

  • RobotRocker #133 11 months ago

    But the costs wouldn't leap up because they are already making the higher spec version of their game for the PC enthusiasts in mosts cases.

    Yes they would.You are making a completely silly point. They are still creating games that require more staff and resources with each technological leap. Costs are still going up and making them for PC's or consoles will still cost a lot of money if the resources require that. Cost not about SKU's. It's about resources and how much it is costing to develop the game itself.

    We are talking about 2 years from now, can you honestly say you will still be enthused about your Xbox 360/PS3 in two years time?

    Depending on the software, I would still be interested, of course. I don't want to be spending another £200 on a new console either unless it had something really special. Not in this economy. There are things that matter more than gaming y'know.

  • Bleemo #134 11 months ago

    "Yes they would.You are making a completely silly point. They are still creating games that require more staff and resources with each technological leap"

    I love how you don't address WHY it would cost more. My point was very specific if they are already creating the additional art assets for the high end version of the PC game (think the PC version of Crysis 2). Then they are already doing the thing that costs more money (creating additional items, increasing resolution of game etc). This is kind of what the guy from Crytek was saying that eventually the distance between PC and console development becomes so great that they have to make a choice.

    At the moment the vast majority of games cost between $18m-$40m to make in the AAA space with a bunch more rumored to exceed that. So what would probably happen with a incremental power jump is that the lowest price would increase slightly say $25m but the roof not so much. This is because have additional RAM and hard drive space in some ways makes things easier to develop for therefore also lowering costs in some areas.

  • RobotRocker #135 11 months ago

    My point was very specific if they are already creating the additional art assets for the high end version of the PC game (think the PC version of Crysis 2). Then they are already doing the thing that costs more money (creating additional items, increasing resolution of game etc). This is kind of what the guy from Crytek was saying that eventually the distance between PC and console development becomes so great that they have to make a choice.

    If Crytek are running their development like that, I have to question how long they will survive as a company. That sounds horrifically backwards.

    And if you read the post, I said that companies have to hire more and more people as technology improves and games require more work to put together. A power jump will just require more developers to come in and work on new engines and consoles that require more work. It's a vicious cycle. The more power, the more hands you need on deck to handle it.

  • Schmoke-n-a-pancake #136 11 months ago

    @bleemo

    "that the lowest price would increase slightly say $25m"

    You think $7million is any easy cost to cover for a small publisher, who will be moving to an unestablished platform? Don't ever set up your own business.

  • SpaceMonkey77 #137 11 months ago

    Overall, I think that Sony, while they'd love to be number one again, have seen Nintendo's poor efforts with WiiU, and know that they certainly have that second place spot booked already by default. There's no way that WiiU will match what PS3 does, let alone PS4, so there's little threat of it stealing Sony's hardcore user base. MS are their main rivals, but are too far ahead, leaving Sony in a happy medium spot.

    With PSVita due soon, Sony can concertrate on that and PS3 for now. I'd welcome a PS4, but I don't even have PS3 yet, so I don't mind them taking til 2014/15. My 360 and PSVita will suffice until then.

  • edepot #138 10 months ago

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