Full stereoscopic 3D hitting Xbox 360
"It's more capable than the PlayStation 3."
Full stereoscopic 3D is set to hit the Xbox 360, Eurogamer can reveal.
This stereo 3D support works exactly like the PlayStation 3's 3D effect. In other words, full-on HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic 3D in the 1280x1470 twin 720p framebuffer configuration.
This would mean a 720p image per eye.
When asked for information on this planned improvement, a source familiar with Xbox 360 development hinted at an E3 announcement.
"They'd be mad not to do it, is all I can say," said our source. "The machine is not only very capable, it's more capable than the PlayStation 3 of doing stereo, assuming you don't have one of the old crappy ones with the composite leads... assuming you have a HDMI Xbox.
"The bottleneck is more on the graphical throughput for rendering out in stereo."
So, when will Microsoft announce full stereo 3D support for the Xbox 360?
"E3 is coming up," is all our source would offer. "Microsoft is going to have to go on stage to say something, aren't they?"
Stereoscopic 3D gaming is one of the PlayStation 3's most-touted features.
It was unlocked on the machine in June last year with a firmware update, making it the only console on the market with support for full stereoscopic 3D gaming.
A number of PS3 games run in 3D, including Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3.
A handful of Xbox 360 games have launched under the "stereoscopic 3D" banner, including Crytek's Crysis 2 and Treyarch's Call of Duty: Black Ops.
But they all render using 3D techniques based on the principle of two distinct images crammed into one 720p framebuffer.
This new change is set to occur through a firmware update. While it is unclear exactly how Microsoft will enable full 3D, there is more than enough bandwidth to sustain it, even on HDMI 1.1, let alone the 1.2 the Xbox 360 uses.
"We're a fully 3D-capable console today. We support 3D games that are in the market today," Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg told VG247 last year.
"The capability is there. The question is whether or not the consumer demand is there. That's the unanswered question. We're not a consumer electronics company that's trying to sell 3DTVs, so we have the benefit of waiting until the market responds. We're going to take probably more of a pull than a push approach."
Microsoft told Eurogamer this afternoon that it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".
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Gimmick.
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The 4 people that will use it on 360 will probably like it, too.
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I'm really not convinced this generation of consoles is ready to handle that resolution. The type of games/graphics that can push that many pixels are not the sort of games that will kick off a 3D revolution.
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""They'd be mad not to do it, is all I can say," said our source. "The machine is not only very capable, it's more capable than the PlayStation 3 of doing stereo, assuming you don't have one of the old crappy ones with the composite leads... assuming you have a HDMI Xbox."
I'm not convinced by that argument at all. Sony's been spending a long time in that 3d space, they understand implementation from an API point of view, not to mention they're already improving. Typical MS marketing, lie to consumers and hope it sticks. MS are twats anyway, never will buy another console from them, apple all the way for me in terms of computers so Windows can fuck.
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Finaly tried the 3DS to see what the effects are. Nothing? Fine, I expected that.
What I wasn't expecting was a throbing headache and a twitchy blind eye for about 10mins (after only a minute of play).
Keep your 3D.
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No thank you.
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Isn't that a barrier to "full-on HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic 3D"?
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Oh, wait.
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It's not like they will miss out on anything - they, like Sony, have a console that can push some kind of 3D out, despite the fact that neither console was originally designed with 3D specifically in mind - so much for the "10-year roadmap" plan of Sony's.
They don't have a vested interest in 3D displays, unlike Sony, so they're quite happy for Sony to fail. But if there is a shift, then I'm sure a firmware update with 3D capabilities is ready to roll out, as I'm sure Microsoft are not stupid enough to not have done the R&D needed and extend their APIs to support this feature.
Now, it will be interesting to see if Nintendo's Project Cafe will have more grass roots support for 3D.
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So long as you can offer one 3D feature over HDMI, even 1.1 or 1.2 not just 1.3, you can claim that you are HDMI 1.4 compatible.
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I've got a 5 year old 360 without hdmi, I've also got a two year old TV without 3D.. the chance I will upgrade both to get 3D, about zero.
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I'm aware of that yes. I'd not use linux on principle, don't like the culture. I use macs for mathematics work because that's what I was brought up with.
I did use windows for many years, got sick of the £125 here £130 there to upgrade screen readers. VoiceOver on mac gives me accessibility as part of the system, saving me money.
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You're my first Ignore in some time now, fanboi.
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Finaly tried the 3DS to see what the effects are. Nothing? Fine, I expected that.
What I wasn't expecting was a throbing headache and a twitchy blind eye for about 10mins (after only a minute of play).
That's nonsense. It's not shooting lasers in your eyes. You'd get a headache perhaps when the two 3D images aren't aligned properly, but since you're only seeing one of the images, it's exactly like looking at any other screen for you.
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And 360>PS3...water is wet but who cares,can't wait for Cafe
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This time without a prize.
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It also doesn't cost us anything so I'm not sure why some people are complaining. e.g. I couldn't give a shit but I've still read the article and responded to it.
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My bait post just goes to prove how sensitive PS3 gamers are and will always be. Test successful!
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Also at least with the PS3 if I get a 3D TV in future I have the option of watching films in 3D via Bluray.
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(Granted there isn't that much power used to create the extra images, but it would be a better use for the 95% of gamers that dont have / want a 3D TV)
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But don't be hatin on me, cos I like it you see.
But only when I can afford a 3DTV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy_7haflaM
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Are you my optician? Are you EVEN an optician? If not, then I suggest you sit quietly in a corner with a dunce hat, because you have no idea what you're talking about.
I know my condition (I said "LEGALLY BLIND", I didn't say completely blind. My eye can still take in light) and I know how I reacted. I also know that it wasn't "just like looking into 2d" as I could clearly see that the image was showing me was "clearly wrong" (like the cloud in mario kart "detached" from rest of the game.
I don't even know why I'm trying to explain it to a doofus.
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Isn't that a barrier to "full-on HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic 3D"?"
HDMI1.4 is a software specification based upon the 1.3 hardware specs.
Physically neither the PS3 or 360 have HDMI1.4 ports. The PS3's firmware upgrade it so that it could support 1.4 spec 3D games and Blu-Ray playback. That is the only part of the 1.4 spec that the PS3 currently meets.
I'm guessing that this 360 update is also updating the 360 to meet the 1.4 spec.
Incase you are interested, the 1.4 spec for 3D is basically that it can do 1 of a range of 3D outputs including the 1280x1470 res (with one eye view in the top half and the other in the bottom). All displays that support 1.4 3D need to be able to handle ALL the different modes and some others for backwards compatibility.
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Good news! If the devs are optimising the engines to work better for 3D that actually means they should end up with better framerates when running in 2D!
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There are very few 3D sets at home and in movies it's all a bit dark and blurry since you're basically wearing shades in a darkened room. Plus many people will always be unable to view 3D due to their eyes prescriptions.
Just get on with making decent bug free games- that is what the industry needs to focus on at the moment.
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Are you saying that many people have no depth perception whatsoever in everyday life?
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Either way, it's not affecting 2D game output in any way, so why not?
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There's plenty of games that are in 1080p on Xbox 360 and PS3, try Beyond Good and Evil HD for one.
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Yes you may touch me
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Most people may not have 3D TV's at the moment, but the same thing was said a few years back about HDTV's. "It's pointless because nobody has one". Although that was obviously a bigger deal, it's still a similar situation.
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Not things I look to want to have in a £40 game.
Think ill pass.
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No - "a source familiar with Xbox 360 development" did.
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Yep, I'm having to play all my games on PS3 in 3D now, even though I've only got a 2D telly. Those naughty Sony types!
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Most of the problem with film relies on the fact that film naturally has a depth of field. Games dont have that problem, so your eyes can focus on whatever they like. The darkness problem doesnt happen on home tv's as the glasses tend not to be polarized.
3D *CAN* improve gameplay on the right games - i.e. ones where you judge distance.
That said, fps games (For example) wont benefit from it much at all... So not sure what the idea behind ptuting it on the 360 is.
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Live and let live?
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Sure, Motorstorm Apocalypse, KZ3, WipEout HD, GT5 and even something a bit more pedestrian like Hustle Kings (pool/snooker game) do have very impressive 3D depth.
But unlike 3D Blu-ray movies or even the, when it's at its best (and used with HD movie/video content), surprisingly impressive 2D to 3D conversion feature, I so far find that 3D in games is significantly harder on my eyes and the typically low console game resolution (plus assorted graphical tradeoffs to accommodate stereoscopic 3D) make for a slightly fuzzy image that I just don't find go particularly well with 3D.
A full Blu-ray movie 1080p 3D image however (eg. Resident Evil: Afterlife), that's a thing of beauty, razor sharp clarity and phenomenal depth.
I've been testing a ton of 3D and 2D video and game material with the TV the last several days though, so I haven't actually had time yet to sit down for a lengthy session with a 3D game, so I'm still hoping - and finding it fairly likely - that I just need an adjustment period.
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i just wish there was more 3d movies and 3d games on the market! but i suppose time will tell "BRING ON THE FUTURE".
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So I'm still a bit mixed about 3D but, if they can do it with the quality of Motorstorm I think it can only be a good thing.
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So I'm still a bit mixed about 3D but, if they can do it with the quality of Motorstorm I think it can only be a good thing.
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HDMI 1.4 is a software spec. Firemonkey explains all in a post on the first page.
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and this while the source says there is a bottleneck in graphical capabilities? it's a strange story to say the least....
roll on E3!
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Secondly, this is only really partial catchup with the PS3, as clearly the Xbox still won’t do Blu-Ray, nor 3D Blu-Ray.
The reality is, Microsoft know their potential “new” user-base has all but dried up, and is basically relying on feeding the channel with incremental hardware upgrades that force Xbox owners to continally upgrade.
In all the time I have owned my lauch 60GB PS3, that’s always been bang upto date, poor Xbox owners have had to rebuy the following upgrades to stay current, and even then, they still don’t have Blu-Ray (perhaps next year – eh Microsoft?)
1st upgrade HDMI
2nd upgrade Sled HDD upgrade
3rd upgrade Working system
4th upgrade slim
5th upgrade 3D
Perhaps by the 6th revision, they MAY have caught up to the spec of my 2006 PS3.
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The consumer was there for god damn standard built in wifi support for 4 and a half years and you ignored that "answer". What the hell is next, controllers with built in batteries??????
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Ooooooooooooohhhhhh they did did they?! Aye? Aye? Know-what-a-mean? Aye?...
..oh forget it
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The REAL question is... am I going to upgrade my kit for 3D...? No.
Can the current gen of consoles REALLY pull off 3D at decent levels of detail... No.
If they'd accept paring back graphical detail in order to make the games run more smoothly, then that'd be different... BUT they don't.
Best hope for decent 3D now is those PS2 and PSP remakes. They could pull off decent, smooth 3D.
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Thor was actually a post production 2D to 3D conversion, but from what I've heard it was one of the better ones (so far the other 3D movies I've seen myself have all been filmed in 3D).
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It really isn't an unanswered question. I have a perfectly good TV, as do the vast majority of people, and have no desire to drop a lot of money on something restrictive and underutilised.
I should probably clarify: I really like 3D. It's just that it really isn't practical to have it on the main TVs in my house right now.
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This is good news for me as a PS3 owner as it may mean 3rd party developers use the proper 3D implementation in their cross platform titles rather than stick with me inferior implemenation because of their shitty porting. And those not currently doing 3D because they don't want to invest in it for a single platform will see some benefit in doing so, which means more 3D games which means my 3DTV will become fully justified (though Sony 1st party titles justify it enough already in my opinion)
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Just saying ...
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But perhaps more crucially in the long term - I would like to see a more compelling reason to play in 3D beyond the technological chest-beating that is currently taking place. Sure it might look nice, but will 3D really enhance gameplay? It just seems like we're going to spend yet another console generation chasing looks over content.
Like motion control, these features are developed by hardware manufacturers to create new markets, rather than a desire to tap into a fresh and meaningful creative avenue. This of course, doesn't mean 3D will fail commercially (in fact the marketing-heavy approach to these technologies probably guarantees success) but it does mean that most 3D implementation will be little more than aesthetic for a long time to come.
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I have the panasonic viera 42" gt25 (600 dollars at costco), and playing prince of persia trilogy does give me the depth between jumps so I know how far I have to jump or run to reach the next area. Other games don't add that much content, and in films some is forced 3D, which makes ghosting more aparent, (clash of the titans is a perfect example).As for 3D content, it involves how it is implemented and how its being used. Ghosting not only depends on the tv, but on the features of how the movies and games are made.
To reply to k1llay, I have tried both the lg tv and different tvs on stores. The vizio 3D tvs are given the worst reviews due to ghosting issues.But the problem with passive tvs is that the image is cut giving you a lower resolution of 3D. At high pace images the active shutters refresh the image on both eyes at different paces. To some people it can cause bigger strain, while to others it doesn't.
To answer to people who say that 3D is a gimmick, it can be in a lot of things, but it doesn't cost that much to make 3D content in games. It is an option and not something that you have to have to play 3D games. With that said, happy gaming everyone.