Geohot Sony settlement details leak
Break it and face $10,000, $250,000 fines.
The terms of the settlement between George Hotz (aka Geohot) and Sony have been revealed.
Hotz (and his "servants") must permanently restrain from "unauthorised access" to any Sony machines either under the law or under Sony's terms and conditions, demands the settlement, posted by PSX-Scene (via QuickJump)
"Unauthorised access" consists of the following:
- Reverse engineering, decompiling, or disassembling any portion of the Sony Product
- Using any tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption security, or authentication mechanism in the Sony Product
- Using any hardware or software to cause the Sony Product to accept or use unauthorised, illegal or pirated software or hardware
- Exploiting any Sony Product to design, develop, update or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use with the Sony Product
"Trafficking", "distributing" or "knowingly assisting" anything related to the above is also a no no.
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED," shouted the decree, "that any violation of this Injunction and Order by Hotz shall result in his payment of stipulated liquidated damages in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) per violation at the election of SCEA or SCEA's Affiliates.
"In the event that the violation involves distribution or trafficking by Hotz of software, hardware, or any circumvention device, or knowingly assisting the same, each distribution of said software (including downloads via the internet), hardware, or circumvention device shall constitute an independent violation, up to a cap of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($250,000).
"Such liquidated damages shall be an optional alternative to demonstrating actual or, if relevant, statutory damages."
The settlement also declares that any legal action brought by SCEA and co. against Hotz will be duked out in a Californian court. But if Hotz takes Sony to court, then a New Jersey trial will be applicable.
The law as it stands in California will govern the settlement.
The settlement between George Hotz - the man who jailbroke PS3 - and Sony was announced yesterday. Sony was "glad" and Hotz was "happy" to bring an end to the legal scrap.
Sony's legal action against George Hotz began back in January.
How will hacker group Anonymous react after it declared war on Sony for it's legal actions against George "Geohot" Hotz? And will Anonymous take any credit for the quick settlement?
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Maybe I'm just being simple here?! If he distributed his hack, then sure, take him to the cleaners. If he 'reverse engineered' someones PS3 for them, again, take him for all he's worth. If he pirated software and sold it to folk, his ass should indeed be grass (and Sony are the lawnmower...). I just dont get why he's being 'done' for hacking the system?
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The whole thing was two sides flirting before they finally get together, throw caution the wind and start making sweet, sweet monkey love.
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To be honest after Anonymous silly DNS attacks in the middle of this, any hacker wanting to legitimately claim they are doing it for homebrew has lost any credibility, with the legal system. It will take a long time to disassociate hackers (who want to see how things work and test a system) and thieving scumbag kiddie coders who cause trouble and destroy lives.
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If he is making money etc out of his hacking then hell yeah take him to the cleaners.
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Wrong. If they didn't, Sony would have swept in for the kill in court and get a definitive judgement rather than a settlement.
Sony's entire pre-trial prep was a mess and they did seriously idiotic things like calling Hotz a "Fugitive" even though he notified his lawyers where he was going and making the media coverage so disastrous that Jury selection would have been a mess. Hotz had plenty of avenues for defence as well and the fact that congress passed through a motion saying that Jailbreaking was legal last year (Though will come up for review in 3 years time) was going to really hurt them if they tried to get him on the DMCA. The paypal issues could have also ended up badly for Sony as well if Hotz did prove he wasn't making profit off them.
Sony is trying to clean up the mess they made rampaging and trying to get Hotz to court. It's the best they could have hoped for themselves as the case could have went either way, or even if Hotz was found in breach of the monetary part, that the judge could have ruled the jailbreaking action to be legal in itself which would have ended up opnening whole new can of worms.
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They can get him to stop by forcing him to agree to abide by a legal injunction. It's almost as if they had thought of that.
Whether they actually have the right to make him do that is untested, since Hotz has capitulated in the face of a global's corporation's legal representation, and the need to travel to California for the battle.
Thus has corporate might prevailed against the little guy.
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NOOOOOOOOOO!!
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Like Sony cares. People out there still buy Sony products. I for one still do.
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Sony management must feel like such fucking heroes, using the full weight of their legal team against a 21 year-old boy.
Hotz settled because he got some good advice, and Sony decided that dragging a boy through the courts wasn't going to do the image of their pathetic corporation any good. Understand this; regardless of the merits of the case, which I won't debate here because I'm not a lawyer, Hotz was always going to lose. With appeals, and court dates, and legal letters, Sony could have slowly ground him down, spending all his money and time.
But neither have Sony won.
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"regardless of the merits of the case, which I won't debate here because I'm not a lawyer, Hotz was always going to lose"
Read that sentence back to yourself.
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Since Fugitive in is quotations, can you link to the document where Sony used that term?
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"Vote me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
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sony don't give damn. Plenty of people still buying sony products as we speak. what are a bunch of basement swelling nerds who never contributed anything beyond ddos and hacking gonna do?
reminds me of monty python. 'what are you gonna do? Bleed on me?'
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It's not the same thing. When you buy a console, you own the hardware but you do not own the operating system running on it. That is licensed out to you to use as the owner (in this case, Sony) intended.
Of course, this does then fly in the face of the ruling that you are allowed to jailbreak a phone. I'm not sure I see much a distinction between a console and a smartphone.
Either way, I don't care much for Sony or hotz in all of this. All I know is it's been entertaining to watch it all unfold.
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Sony issued a press release with insinuation that he was fleeing to avoid the case.
[link url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-23-ps3-hacker-flees-to-south-america
]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-0...[/link]
Nice try on the technicality though.
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http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/dis...
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And what the fuck do my personal decisions have to do with you anyway, kid?
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But if you want to use their online services (i.e. Xbox live) then you can't do it using modified hardware or software. It's their service, they get to make the rules.
Much simpler, and doesn't leave them looking like a bunch of bullies.
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I take your point, I was just being pedantic. To discard the merits of a situation, and yet then issue an edict on it seems kind of contradictory to me. Carry on
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They could have crushed him with years of legal fees and general stress (not to mention simple bad press - who would employ this guy with such a case hanging over him?) even if Sony couldn't "win" the case, but instead they gave him a telling off and a warning. Right or wrong to even be in court, you can't disagree this is a reasonable settlement by a big company's standards.
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What is mentioned is the public settlement, a matter of public record, what's (obviously) missing is the confidential agreement between Sony and Hotz. Who wants it kept confidential? Hotz might (after all he did promise people who donated to his legal fund he wouldn't settle until OtherOS was to be reinstated etc) but Sony obviously do. Now why would that be?! Fascinating. We can only hope these papers leak (though Hotz better hope and pray it's not from his side).
Meanwhile Hotz is saying there's a bigger battle on the horizon. This story isn't finished by a long shot.
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Pimping your ride isn't going to potentially give everyone with the same model of car access to free petrol is it?
In other words, NOOOOOOOOOO!!
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2002 - Sony settles Class Action suit related to PS2 drive problems
[link url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2#Disc_Read_Error_.28DRE.29_Lawsuit
]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation...[/link]
2005 - Sony installs rootkits on the PCs of people who play their CDs
[link url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_co...[/link]
2005 - Sony crush small PSP retailers with heavy-handed tactics
[link url=http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_picking_on_small_retailers.html
]http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_pick...[/link]
2006 - Sony closes down Lik Sang
[link url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lik_Sang
]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lik_Sang
[/link]
2008 - Sony recalls 100,000 laptop batteries
[link url=http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/sony-battery-recall-affects-hp-toshiba-dell-laptops-49299650/
]http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/sony-bat...[/link]
2011 - Sony vs George Hotz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Comput...
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As for Hotz backing out, I have to wonder how those who donated to him feel? He was going to "shove it to the man" and uphold consumers' rights. Anyone who helped support this quest financially has just been sold short. sony isn't going to get its comeuppance and we aren't going to have PS3 hacking and custom FW declared legal in the US, so all those dollars of donations haven't won those who donated anything.
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the original "plan" for asking donation to keep the consumer right that those donators think that will be done with their donation is crumbled..
wow my english getting worsen in late light...
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Now he'll disappear from public view, collaborate with others and Sony will find itself in the same situation as they do now, without anyone to pin the blame on.
They should have took him to the cleaners when they had the chance.
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as a hacker how can you sign on to any of this? What if he finds himself confronted with a sony product again? Why submit to this limitation on himself? All anyone needs to do now, for example, is put a sony bit in their product and he is shot
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But reading this ongoing Class Action suit against Sony for OtherOS removal in fw 3.21 and the timing of SCEA offering Hotz favourable terms to settle, I do think that the judge's decision to allow the Class action suit to continue on 31 March 2011 has been the catalyst for this settlement.
At some point the OtherOS might need to be returned by Sony Corporation(US?Japan?) to allow SCEI (Japan) to avoid getting drawn into legal action by US customers, who are unlikely to let the OtherOs matter drop.
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The difference (as I understand it) is that a mobile phone by design is made to work on different operator's networks in various regions around the world. The jailbreaking mobile phones law was passed because they deemed that locking the phone to a single operator in the US (I think it was AT&T) without the option to use it on another network was unfair.
A console is not designed that way. None of the consoles that have been created were made with the ability of running an alternative OS or network whilst still giving access to the devices originally intended functionality.
If hackers really want to make custom firmware for the PS3, then should create an OS from the ground up without reverse engineering/decompiling any of Sony's original code. This custom firmware would also have to install itself without compromising any of the security measures that Sony put in place in its own official firmware and it must not gain access to the PSN or compromise the secuirty of any officially created software/applications for the PS3, which obviously includes things such as games and the PS Store.
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Do u understand what an injunction is?
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'I'm dead against everything that circumventing security brings (even though some good can come out of it - think Kinect), but for someone as undoubtedly clever as Hotz you would think that he would have realised that remaining anonymous is the only way to remain out of trouble.
Now he'll disappear from public view, collaborate with others and Sony will find itself in the same situation as they do now, without anyone to pin the blame on.
They should have took him to the cleaners when they had the chance.'
1) Indeed, Microsoft have (so far) embraced the Kinect hacks.
2) He won't work with others on Sony, even anonymously. See the penalties in the settlement for doing just that. He's publicising a boycott of Sony products, and the new post from today on his blog throws his weight behind the class action lawsuit regarding OtherOS. It may very well be that the way that's shaping up led to him settling with Sony.
3) If they'd had a chance to 'take him to the cleaners', they would have. On each and every point raised so far his legal team have outwitted Sony's (and pretty easily it must be said). For a lawsuit from a company who were SO sure of winning, with a virtually bottomless legal fund, why have they been so keen to settle? Think about it - it's the key point here. And one I can't believe the article even bothers raising.
I've spent an hour or two reading Hotz's blog, replies to it, and other interesting pieces today like [link url=http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/02/sonys-war-on-makers-hackers-and-innovators.html.
]http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/02...[/link]
Basically, as entertaining as it is to read so many uninformed comments on EG, the article itself is very poor journalism with nary any research, and most people are wasting their time trying to get any decent news on this here (I realise now I was one of them, but no longer!)
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12/04/11 @ 19:00
Ignore poster | #46
Didn't take long for someone to give it the old "If i buy a car..." story
Jesus Fucking Christ . It's not the same thing. AT ALL.
I'm glad this is over. Hopefully Geotwat has learnt something valuable from it.
Bet he's happy knowing he isn't going to get bummed in the showers now.
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No, as someone very eloquently put it (and much more so than I will because I'm both tired and lazy) in Hotz's blog comments, it's more similar to buying a book.
The words are copyrighted (just like the lines of code that make up pieces of software). It's illegal to copy it and distribute it. BUT, once you buy that book you're free to do with the contents what you like otherwise. Want to white out some of the words and put your own in? Yes, you can alter it in any way you want. Want to tell your friends to do the same? No problem legally. Want to read it upside down, back-to-front etc? If the copyright holder came along and told you to stop doing that you'd laugh them away.
As for your shower comment, you do know that a civil case doesn't involve prison, don't you?
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If people were hacking the 360's OS and decompiling MS code to get it to work or if these hacks were being done on the 360 due to someone reverse engineering and publishing encryption keys which made game piracy easy, we may have seen a different response coming from MS about the whole situation. Lest we forget that MS do actually ban consoles found to be running modified DVD firmwares and jtag 360s.
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Now, about that Gary Mod.
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don't u mean refrain?
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Were they not fighting for him? Or did Sony want to sue the bitch for every last cent that he and his family possess?
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