Why I Hate… Football Manager

Steve Hill on what happens when love turns sour.

It's a shame when relationships end but it's often for the best. Football Manager and me had it all - long intimate evenings, weekends away, the occasional holiday. I'd thought we never split up. But eventually cracks began to appear, the physical side deteriorated, and we became strangers.

As an early adopter of pretending to manage a football team on a computer (i.e. a semi-autistic weirdo), a chronic addiction to Football Manager seemed my inevitable destiny. My first taste was the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, whose bearded creator, Kevin Toms, appeared beaming on the cassette case cover.

(Of course, it's practically illegal not to mention that he and Mrs Toms famously appeared in the Readers' Wives section of Fiesta magazine, an improbable snippet that caused unfettered playground delight.)

The game was a hugely addictive affair (it was even made by Addictive Games - have that, Panorama), arguably bettered only by the lesser known and graphically bereft Football Director.

I can remember once playing that game until the break of dawn; perversely on the same night that weatherman Michael Fish failed to predict a hurricane. While Britain almost blew away, and Hi-De-Hi star Gorden Kaye lay trapped in his car under a felled tree, I remained oblivious, attempting to steer a resolute Chester City side out of the old fourth division.

While I briefly dabbled with something called The Boss at university the Spectrum was eventually consigned to history. I concentrated on developing a debilitating addiction to Sensible Soccer on the Amiga, something that ultimately qualified me for a job on a PC games magazine in Bournemouth.

It was here that I first set eyes on Championship Manager 2. The game appeared in the office one day and spread like a virus. While normal people would have a quick game of Sensible World Of Soccer before repairing to the pub of an evening, a hardcore few would stay behind, transfixed by the green screens of CM2, each locked in his own personal struggle. I wasn't one of them. I dismissed CM2's spartan looks and esoteric gameplay in favour of more obvious delights such as Duke Nukem.

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Not much of a crowd in.

The magazine eventually went tits up and it wasn't until some time later that things clicked into place, when I found myself writing a freelance review of an Italian League Champ Man spin-off. This is another event which has somehow been seared into my mind. Just as music is generally associated with a time and place, the same can be true of certain games.

By this time I was practically bed-ridden in a North London hovel. It's a period of misery intractably associated with trying to come to terms with an unfamiliar Juventus squad from the safety of my duvet.

The big breakthrough came in the early days of my lengthy association with PC Zone magazine. At the time it was manned by a couple of Championship Manager addicts, including the editor, who had the vision to put CM3 on the cover - compensating for the lack of graphics with a shiny gold background.

I had to see what the fuss was about. Of course I opted to manage my beloved Chester City, who I still regularly went to watch. My journey down the path to addiction was swift and painless. I was transported back to my nocturnal management habits of a decade earlier, with the key difference that I was being paid for it, though sadly not by the hour.

I soon took over reviewing duties for the game. I would annually bash out the 90 per cent scores along with obligatory previews and interviews with the game's creators, the Collyer brothers, who I came to know reasonably well.

Having become something of a self-appointed poster boy for the game, I even embarked on a ten-day publicity tour of the Far East with two of the Sports Interactive team. During one particularly fractious afternoon, myself and Oliver Collyer beat up a stuffed gorilla at a deserted Singapore theme park.

Still the games came. Winters passed me by in a blur of fixtures. I was always managing Chester City, the game providing a compelling counterpoint to my real life obsession. By now I was in deep. I even wrote two books about the game.

So where did it all go wrong? How did I fall out of love with Football Manager?

There was no dramatic turning point. I didn't have an affair with FIFA Manager or anything like that. It was simply a gradual erosion of trust that began when they started introducing rudimentary graphics and culminated with the arrival of the 3D match engine.

For years Championship Manager/Football Manager was a game that existed largely in my mind. The text commentary conjured images of blood-and-thunder encounters played at breakneck speed.

To see my heroic players portrayed as ponderous, moonwalking stick-men cheapened the experience and broke the spell. It was like Dorothy looking behind the wizard's sleeve. By way of sporting analogy, it's loosely comparable to the exquisite tension of listening to Test Match Special's cricket coverage on the radio, as opposed to the great swathes of televised nothingness offered by Sky. And I write this with the full hypocrisy of having watched practically every ball of this Ashes series live.

Every year I would play the game for a shorter period after reviewing it. The ultimate insult came when the task fell to a younger man. I didn't even get sent the games any more, dropped like a hot turd after a decade of unbroken support.

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The physical side deteriorated and we eventually became strangers.

While I may have invested hundreds of hours into the game, I certainly wasn't going to buy a ****ing copy. There was, however, an intense period of relapse, when I stumbled across a copy of the simplified PSP version. It offered everything I needed, and I rolled back the years with a solid month in bed before the bastard disc broke.

The final nail in the coffin came when the real life club I had supported for a quarter of a century tragically went out of business, and consequently out of the game.

They have successfully reformed as Chester FC, but while Football Manager's database is a terrifyingly exhaustive beast, it doesn't quite stretch to the Evo-Stik League First Division North. As such, I currently have no reason to play Football Manager. I couldn't care less about managing anyone else.

That said, I was recently asked to review the latest release. I tried to make myself care about Queens Park Rangers, something I have unconvincingly been considering doing in real life. Bewildered by an unfamiliar squad and stymied by the elaborate interface, I randomly clicked on things in the manner of a pensioner being introduced to the internet before giving up in frustration.

I know there's an extraordinary game in there somewhere but I no longer have the time or inclination to tease it out. There are few things more pious than an ex-addict, but I genuinely feel I'm better off without Football Manager in my life, which really is too short.

Dear Football Manager: it's not you, it's me...

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  • Armoured_Gideon #1 1 year ago

    Nice read. I would add a reason to hate it: Those occasions when the game stamps its foot and absolutely makes its mind up that you are not going to win, despite being superior on every level. This is when you end up with Leyton Orient beating a Champions League-winning Arsenal side. Few keyboards got slammed for that one.
  • YobRenoops #2 1 year ago

    @Armoured_Gideon Haven't SI come out time and again and stated that its not structural but just bad luck?
  • MrChuckles #3 1 year ago

    i used to love Champ manager on the Amiga and then it's early iterations on the PC. It was all about picking the best formation and players you had available. Basic skills, form, fitness and morale were about all you needed to understand. You knew why you won or lost a match and you got a season done in a week.

    Now it's a world of man marking vs zonal, a myriad of tweakable formations, player runs, strikers vs target men, thousands of stats per player, feeder clubs, counter attacking, aggression...

    I'll be honest, i play hardcore tactical turn based games all the time, and FM & CM just lose me these days... Something got lost when they overcomplicated things.

    AFC Wimbledon loses 3-0 vs Luton Town and i have no idea why. Yes, there are thousands of stats to check, but no one to tell me what they actually mean or how they interact, and therefore i turn the game off. Also, a season takes almost as long as a real one. All the fun has gone.. :(...

    I want to play a footie management game again, but i don't think any of them are for me... Maybe i should just boot up CM97-98 or USM or PM2.
  • AaronTurner #4 1 year ago

    I agree in some respects, the game became stale a few years ago. The recent version is great though, even with its faults.
  • Verwandlung #5 1 year ago

    For a second I thought I saw agent 47 :(
  • Zerobob #6 1 year ago

    Since buying Champ Manager 97/98 + European Updates (the good old days) after people raving about it, and then playing the game for less than a season, I've never understood the point of pushing names and statistics around a database pretending you are some sort of football manager god, maybe even declaring yourself as such if you win the league at the end of the season in a fictional game which doesn't reflect reality.

    I simply think football manager games are pathetic. I feel sorry for football fans suckered into playing them year after year.

    The best one I played was Ultimate Soccer Manager, where you could place illegal bets, throw bungs to other clubs and give comedy comments to the newspapers, you know...do fun things.
  • MDL199 #7 1 year ago

    The recent pc games have just become too stat heavy and confusing not to mention it takes an age to get through a season. The PSP versions though are amazing and are as fun and addictive as the Amiga and PC games used to be. The gaming press and especially Eurogamer give them absolutely no coverage at all though which is just plain wrong.
  • arn #8 1 year ago

    @MrChuckles

    I totally agree. I played the first CM games allot. But the new FM games are just to complicated and time consuming for some of us. And I am 30 years old, and do not have the time for it anymore. Thats why I still play the old CM2 sometimes, with updated database. CM2 was a great version.

    Check out this website: http://www.cm97-98.eu/
    Its all you need to get back into CM2. An updated database with 2010/11 squads and players for CM2 version 97/98. Its not perfect, but really great.
    Edited by arn at 10/12/10 @ 15:18
  • Armoured_Gideon #9 1 year ago

    @YobRenoops

    Accept that to a point, but I have to admit on the odd occasion I refused to accept and reloaded the game...only for the incredibly unlikely result to repeat time and time again.

    I often found that when you do win a game you weren't 'supposed' to, your star players end up with broken legs, torn hamstrings etc.
  • Kanjin #10 1 year ago

    A stuffed bear, yeah, wait what?
  • retr0gamer #11 1 year ago

    Football for Excel.
  • StanMadeley #12 1 year ago

    Not that it alters the fundamental logic of your argument but Gorden Kaye was in 'Allo Allo' not 'Hi De Hi'. You're thinking of Paul Shane who, as far as I know, was never trapped under a tree.
  • MrChuckles #13 1 year ago

    @arn Hmm, i'll check that out, although i have no idea where my copy of 97-98 is.. I think i have CM 2 somewhere.. and 3...
  • thedaveeyres #14 1 year ago

    I feel your pain (or rather, lack of it) brother.
  • geeza2020 #15 1 year ago

    Agree with others here, used to love Champ Man and Premier Manager too, but a few years ago I went to play on of the new Football Managers and just didnt have a clue what I was doing. Too many options, too many different fiddly tactics to choose from. Got through the first few games of the season, getting hammered in each one of course, and just thought, "Ya know what, fuck this" and have just never gone back to the games since.
  • MrChuckles #16 1 year ago

    @StanMadeley - Ah but only if Paul Shane had, this might not have happened..

    [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJvGdOC6D1Y
    ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJvGdOC6D1Y
    [/link]

    Ironically he's singing with Dimitar Berbatov to get this thread back on track.
  • chudders #17 1 year ago

    Is that THE Steve Hill of PC Zone fame?
  • Lin #18 1 year ago

    that night with the hurricane was actually the night i was born. that should make you feel REALLY old.
  • Yossarian #19 1 year ago

    But it's better than it's even been! Well, with one or two patches it will be.
  • Aretak #20 1 year ago

    I've fallen out of love with the series this year, but entirely due to what a mess FM11 was released in, and remains in even after two patches.
  • cowell #21 1 year ago

    An outstanding series no doubt but I fell out of love after about Champ Man 03-04. Up to that point it was kept pretty simple - text descriptions and the core jobs of the football manager - tactics, signing players, playing the games, training. The game got too big when the transfer negotiations, training schedule and media interaction went really too deep for my liking and they added loads of other bells and whistles.

    The days of Taribo West signing for my third tier english team, "loving the club" and helping me to the upper reaches of the premier league are sadly long gone.
  • AdamAsunder #22 1 year ago

    My mate really really tried to get me into Championship Manager, it just bored me stupid. I don't hate it, and I appreciate that it's a great genre for armchair fanatics it's just not my thing.



  • Bernkastel #23 1 year ago

    I suck at it. The game hates me, so I hate it back.
  • Buggs #24 1 year ago

    Apologies for being slightly off topic but there was a DOS football management game I played on the very first pc which my dad bought (it was a 386), probably in the early 90s. It was on a floppy disk (obviously), it was all black screen with coloured text. There were no pictures or graphics. There were all of the english leagues in it, but there may have been some foreign leagues too. I don't think the player names were real either, slightly changed names.

    Can anyone think what it might have been?

    I used to love it, but I can't for the life of me find out what it was called.
  • meme #25 1 year ago

    Gordon Kaye was in Allo Allo, not Hi De Hi. I expect better fact checking of crap 80s sitcoms in these articles, you know. I've a good mind to complain.
  • StanMadeley #26 1 year ago

    @MrChuckles So very true. And to keep this comment vaguely on topic and to do with video games, I now demand a Paul Shane Guitar Hero Expansion pack.
  • tomkuryakin #27 1 year ago

    Yeah, used to love the game but I just don't have the time any more.
  • scooterwolf #28 1 year ago

    Champ Manager 01-02 is still alive and kicking with regular updates and the full game is legally free to download from
    [link url=http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=cat&id=1
    ]http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/download...[/link]
  • Videogamer. #29 1 year ago

    Eurogamer, you're the best. :)
  • marc_si #30 1 year ago

    Steve - not to try and tempt you back into the fold .... but the iPhone version of Football Manager Handheld should be out before christmas - as with the PSP version of the game its aimed at people who yearn for the days of CM01-02 and want a game which is faster to play while still feeling realistic ....

    Go on try it, you know you want to ..... surely someone needs to review that version of the game when it comes out ;-)
  • immateriaux #31 1 year ago

    When last I checked (haven't got v11) FM still suffers from what Mr chuckles refers to earlier: the game has acres of stats but nothing that is of real tangible game play value.

    The old (simplistic) chestnut as an analogy: the game says someone is a "20" at heading therefore, as a "strategy" player, you would think I should be able to use that stat to derive a game plan but, in FM games, being anything at anything means nothing on its own but is in a complex relationship with other stats that, without a personal AI to work it out for you, is beyond normal appreciation (nevermind the brute force qualifiaction of the "morale" stat). In essence, you can't derive strategies based on the the information presented to you, you end up doing lots of trial and error and that's just deeply frustrating.

    Without doubt, some people, you can see it on the forums over there, are happy to cycle through permutations and nail it, ultimately. But from the game play perspective, FM is like playing Mario with invisible platforms, there's just far too much guess work involved.
  • Golgo #32 1 year ago

    Good read. You're better off without it anyway. Especially as football is a game for poofs.
  • EddieBear #33 1 year ago

    "including the editor, who had the vision to put CM3 on the cover - compensating for the lack of graphics with a shiny gold background." The first issue of PC Zone I ever bought. And I always enjoyed your reviews of CM in that brilliant mag Steve.

    RIP PC Zone. RIP Chester. RIP Steve's love of FM.
  • YoungPayters #34 1 year ago

    i loved championship and football manager. started with CM4 and finished at FM2008. just spent far too long with it and have gone off it. tried 2010, was just inundated with information, very off putting. would love the iphone or psp version...... but to get a psp or an iphone first
  • smelly #35 1 year ago

    I came in here souly to point out that gorden kaye was never on hi de hi...

    But i was beaten to it.
  • steagz #36 1 year ago

    this is my opinion if sports interactive never made the football manager games very realistic and full of useless information then you would of had people makeing rants like this 1 expecting more. they have made the games as realistic as possible and people rant about it. so i reckon either way people would of complained.
    Edited by steagz at 11/12/10 @ 02:36
  • local_celebrity #37 1 year ago

    Lovely stuff. This is what intelligent games journalism is all about.

    +1
  • NunianVonFuch #38 1 year ago

    Great article, agree wholeheartedly with every word and the nagging guilt for quitting MK Don's bid for Champion's League glory is nicely summed up by the closing line. As immateriaux says, the stats should be simplistic. Instead there are calculators available online where you input your stats for a player/coach and it will output their heading/coaching ability. Why these aren't part of the game I'll never know!

    I did put up with it for awhile, til I realized I was basically doing freelance data entry for a non-existent club. It's still a popular series though, so there's time yet to get the depth/accessibility balance right.
    Edited by NunianVonFuch at 11/12/10 @ 05:56
  • iggypopbarker #39 1 year ago

    a ten day publicity tour for someone who has written complimentary reviews of SI products that were - on retail release day - bug ridden messes with broken medium-long term play? I wish I was surprised.
  • Codger81 #40 1 year ago

    CM 01/02 was a masterpiece, and 03/04 was it's final huzzah. The change over to Football Manager mostly hasn't worked for me, although I did buy the most recent version and oddly find myself enjoying it.

    Still doesn't hold my attention like the old CM3 did though.
  • BTBAM #41 1 year ago

    i rarely feel compelled to write that I enjoyed a piece like this, but I really liked it. Completely identify too, I feel the exact same way. I spent days on end playing that game, getting up to 2032 in CM 01/02. 2008 was the last game I invested any real time in, and the 3D match engine and over-complication has ruined the game for me. Sure, I can turn it off, like I can turn off my assistant manager whispering in my ear that a player is looking tired (FUCK OFF), but it makes me feel like the game has left me behind and that I should be playing the game with all these stupid additions. Shame. Probably for the best thought, I'm in my mid-twenties now and don't have the time to play this sort of game.
  • Harmonica #42 1 year ago

    This is an excellent insight into the love/slightly-less-love relationship people have with CM/FM. But it's not hate, is it? These series of articles have been more about long suffering love affairs that went slightly cold. If anyone actually hates a videogame they are a bit of an idiot.

    Steve: What about the long 2D period, where your beloved Chester were represented by a bunch of numbered discs? Everyone still loved their virtual players at that time. I shared your Sensi obsession but I didn't get into CM until it was past the text-only period, maybe that's why I found adapting to the recent 3D graphics not too difficult at all.

    Also, seconding the recommendation that you get the 'Football Pyramid Down to 11' mod, or whatever the precise name is. It will however need an absolute beast of a PC to simulate all the results. I tried and failed with a level 8-ish team, and it took 5 minutes per-day.
  • Harmonica #43 1 year ago

    Also, the EXCEL SHEET jokes were funny at times in the 90s, and unfortunately I may have bought into that line of thinking especially when PC Gamer picked up on it (probably in order to wind up PCZ staff). But these days the idea that all gamers have to be unquestionably anti-football and disinterested in sports as a staple of their obsession is really unhealthy. Fostering an ignorance of something like sports is just that, ignorance.

    Sometimes the anti-Football Manager schtick gets a little tired. It's actually one of the most gameplay-rich games, for gamers, that you could make.
  • SG #44 1 year ago

    I can remember once playing that game until the break of dawn...

    Ah late night gaming; you're so engrossed in the world that having to eat or go to the toilet is a nuisance. I miss being that addicted to a game - literally can't remember what the last game that made me like that was.

    I think maybe it's an age thing. I really wish I could get that lost in it all again.
  • BTBAM #45 1 year ago

    sg - Surely it's a time thing? I've been a student for four years, and I got sucked into games like Mass Effect, Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable etc during my time studying, but now I'm working I play a quick game of Fifa, or play a mission of Call of Duty because I just don't have the time for mammoth gaming sessions anymore.
  • CaptainKid #46 1 year ago

    Very nicely written.
    I hate football manager games but very much enjoyed your article.
  • UltimateWarrior #47 1 year ago

    I started to lose the love when the tranbsfer window first came in for CM 01/02. The underlying appeal of CM/FM is the same as collecting panini stickers or playing pokemon. It's about compiling a dream team of players. Further iterations of FM have made it harder and harder to sign players and build the team you want. It's no longer fantasy football. And I have to agree that the lack of feedback as to what you're doing right or wrong makes it all an exercise in blind luck or just plain frustration. It peaked with CM00/01 for me.
  • Harmonica #48 1 year ago

    The underlying appeal is that it's like real life, which has transfer windows, and where teams occasionally struggle to hold onto their players.

    I think saying FM is complicated or over complicated is a cop out, if you like football then you'll invest the time to get into it, but even for casual players it's completely elementary stuff. Pick a team, pick a formation, drag and drop, watch the match play out.

    For gotta catch 'em all types, just go with a prof. moneybags team like Man City and spunk money on people.

    Obviously you won't win many trophies like that but that's how everyone gets into playing it at a certain point. The newer versions have wizards which have lowered the entry-requirements even further.

    Also forums like Susie have masses of reading material and guides written for all levels of ability from complete beginner to people who spend time thinking about what one tick along on a slider actually means in relation to a whole season, or something.
    Edited by Harmonica at 13/12/10 @ 03:32
  • SlumpJunk #49 1 year ago

    Fantastic article. Couldn't agree more, Champ Manager / Football Manager died for me when the switch was made to visuals over text commentary. The visuals could never match the pictures I conjured up in my mind.