Red Dead Redemption: Legends & Killers Review

Things of the wild frontier.

Version tested: Xbox 360

Nine new maps make up the meat of this multiplayer sandwich, the second batch of DLC for Rockstar's Western elegy, the first to demand payment. Ranging from open rural expanses to cover-heavy towns, all are extracted from the existing terrain, but some have had more of a makeover than others. Since these locations were created for atmosphere and single-player adventuring, they don't always lend themselves well to a nuanced multiplayer experience.

In the interests of completion, and because the game does a poor job of describing what you've bought (offering the new material only as a randomly chosen playlist from a dedicated menu option), the full combination of maps and modes is as follows...

The remote wilderness maps are Tall Trees (Hold Your Own), Manzanita Post (Grab the Bag, Hold Your Own), Punto Orgullo (Hold Your Own), Hennigan's Stead (Grab the Bag, Hold Your Own) and Rio Bravo (Gang Shootout, Gold Rush, Grab The Bag, Shootout).

For those who like the more comforting order of man-made structures there's Thieves' Landing (All Modes), Fort Mercer (Gang Shootout, Gold Rush, Grab The Bag, Shootout), Blackwater (All Modes)and Escalera (Gang Shootout, Shootout).

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Rather ludicrously, the guy with the axe has an enormous advantage here.

Three existing maps have also quietly had new modes added, with Diez Coronas gaining Grab the Bag. Pacific Union Railroad Camp gets to host both Shootout types while Tumbleweed now offers Gold Rush and Hold Your Own.

It's a large but curious collection with some combinations obviously more successful than others. Fort Mercer works well, since the location was clearly designed for repeated gang hideout missions, and the layout inevitably translates well to competitive play.

Punto Orgullo, on the other hand, works against the player in frustrating fashion, the maze-like tangle of deep rock gullies serving only to dilute team play for all but the most coordinated gangs. Blackwater's rather generic criss-cross streets and obvious rooftop sniper points wouldn't cut the mustard in any other multiplayer game, but since the location saw only limited action in the single player story there's still novelty value in wreaking havoc in this neat and tidy symbol of the Wild West's gentrified demise.

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The cast of Red Dead Revolver duke it out in Blackwater's saloon, neatly illustrating two new features in one image.

It's the unlikely choices that prove the most fun. In the solo game, Manzanita Post is a tiny collection of uninspiring buildings in the middle of a forest. Stretched out for multiplayer, the area is filled with log-built cover spots, watchtowers and gatling gun posts. A long, wide playing area liberates players from mindless choke points, the large central channel flanked by dense tree cover to one side and elevated positions to the other.

Being restricted to Grab the Bag and Hold Your Own matches enables its design to be specialised even further, providing dozens of routes for stealthy thieves to slip into enemy territory. The focus pays off, and it's one of the few maps where it feels like you're playing something designed for a specific multiplayer experience rather than just romping about in a familiar playground.

Other rural maps, such as Rio Bravo, are less successful. Small and contained, the map centres on the central spire of rock, run through with narrow passages and random cover points. Matches here soon fall in line with the chaotic terrain, encouraging play that is more about dashing around, getting kills where you can, rather than any tactical play. That's fine for Shootouts, but it makes it a curious choice for Gold Rush and Grab the Bag, where more co-ordination is needed.

Rio Bravo is also one of the few multiplayer maps where the new tomahawk weapon is equipped as standard. From an aesthetic point of view, it's a fun addition, ticking off another iconic Western image as axes thunk into fleeing backs. It's not massively different to the throwing knife, but it does double as a lethal melee weapon and has decent range.

It's also incredibly unbalanced and inconsistent, a reminder that Rockstar is still learning as far as multiplayer is concerned. Most of the time a tomahawk attack results in an instant kill, regardless of where you're hit, making it one of the best mid-range weapons in the game. It was amusing to watch Rio Bravo matches change over the afternoon when the Legends and Killers pack went live, guns rapidly dropping out of use as players realised just how effective the new weapon could be.

However, when you can unload two blasts from a shotgun into someone's chest but be killed instantly by a tomahawk in the leg, something's gone a bit screwy. It's a weapon that really needed more tweaking, or at least its own dedicated map and game mode, to make sense.

The tomahawk is also available in single player, offering up a new set of challenges and an Achievement or Trophy for completing all five ranks. It's nothing terribly taxing – certainly nothing to compare to the exacting nature of the higher level Sharpshooter or Master Hunter tasks – but it's probably enough to tempt lapsed players back into the game for an enjoyable afternoon of axe-lobbing distractions.

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Mr Kelley, the perfect skin for those who like to rock the Lee Van Cleef vibe.

All of which leaves only the new character skins to round out the package. Drawn from Red Dead Revolver and unlocked automatically for all players, they offer a nice acknowledgement of the flawed potential that Rockstar built upon, but they don't make any difference to the game. At best, they add some more colourful characters to the roster, and judging by the number of identical faces now jigging and brawling in the live lobbies the ability to play as dapper gunslinger Mr Kelley or hulking bomb-freak Pig Josh clearly appeals more than grinding through more ranks to unlock another random Mexican or Miner.

So, is this lucky dip worth the download? Sadly, probably not. It certainly doesn't help that competitive multiplayer is not the most compelling part of Red Dead Redemption's online offering. Even though it's viewed in third person, and involves a lot of shooting, you could never truly describe the game as a third-person shooter and the game still suffers from occasionally clumsy control that works best against the more forgiving aim of AI opponents.

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Pig Josh may look funny, but remember – there's a lot more of him to hit.

Fumbling about for cover, jiggling about in a door frame - these are the sort of things that get you killed in a multiplayer game, and Redemption still falls prey to them too often for comfort. It's still more fun, and more efficient, to move up the ranks through co-op missions and tackling the gang hideouts with friends.

A peculiar pick-and-mix selection of multiplayer bits, all of which are fine in their own right, Legends and Killers simply doesn't offer enough coherent gameplay benefit to warrant its 800MSP price point for Xbox players. PS3 owners can rightly bristle at the even steeper £7.99 they're being charged. An expensive indulgence, Legends and Killers undoubtedly improves the multiplayer in terms of variety, but that's just not enough to make it essential.

6 / 10

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Comments (28) Latest comment 2 years ago

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  • Skandalle #1 2 years ago

    ahhh thats a shame :(
  • Deckard1 #2 2 years ago

    Not really interested in MP stuff. I'd jump at the chance to get more SP stuff though.
  • CaptainQuint #3 2 years ago

    Saw this coming a mile off. I like RDR online, but I've played enough of the multiplayer now to realise that whilst it's certainly fun; it's a largely a novel and limited experience. Back to other online games for me.
  • tachometer #4 2 years ago

    What they need to do is get their act together with the lobbies, and getting people in to games quickly. It's just to confusing and takes too long at the moment
  • Whizzo #5 2 years ago

    As a freebie I would have shrugged my shoulders at it and thought nothing of it, for 800 points/£7.99 my only thought involves language unsuitable pre-watershed.
  • Cronan #6 2 years ago

    I think this ship has sailed, I'm afraid.
  • brseg #7 2 years ago

    Glad to see EG give dlc a full review (esp if its 800 pts or more). Companies will have to start thinking about the genuine value they're putting in dlc, rather than just kick it out the door.
  • kinky_mong #8 2 years ago

    It's a shame that though I actually quite enjoy the competitive multi-player in RDR (because I actually took the time to learn the best way to play with the controls rather than instantly dismissing them) this DLC pack just doesn't contain the content I want to justify the pricetag.

    I will most likely buy it when it inevitably is part of an offer just for completion's sake as I already have 1100 points on the game.
  • SAMagic #9 2 years ago

    @EarlBassett : Possibly, but personally I imagine this was planned out long before Acti's "2400 points for a few maps" fiasco. This is cheaper and don't forget that we got the co-op DLC for free.
  • WinterSnowblind #10 2 years ago

    Would definitely like to see this type of review more often.

    I'm all for games being expanded upon after release, but at this point we're seeing developers charge far too much for far too little. Since review scores seem to influence people so much, perhaps they'll think twice about buying things like this if they repeatedly get poor reviews.
  • CaptainQuint #11 2 years ago

    @SAmagic
    Ironic, since that was actually a very good addition, and probably worth paying some sort of premium; compared to this mediocre excuse for dlc.
    Edited by 1 at 11/08/10 @ 17:06
  • Chazmeister #12 2 years ago

    Well with just a few new MP maps and some skins, this was always going to be the runt of the bunch out of the new DLC. Most people I think will be waiting for the third installment with the new single player episodes.

    Anyway even though it might be over priced it's not like you have to buy it, and since we got the co-op DLC free I'm not going to moan about it. If you're really into your Red Dead death match then it's probably worth it but for the rest of us it's a miss.
  • linksdad #13 2 years ago

    The getting stuck on bits of furniture is one of my biggest bugbears with rockstars recent games.

    They need to faciliate easier and less clumsy controls, probably involving giving less priority to the animation and more to the response to the controller. It might not look quite as good but would play 10X better.

    And dont get me started on camera angles while breaking a horse anywhere that isnt completely flat!
  • GuyNoir #14 2 years ago

    Re:- "The getting stuck on bits of furniture is one of my biggest bugbears with rockstars recent games."

    Some sort of mouse/keyboard combination might work. IGMC.
  • Daeltaja #15 2 years ago

    So sick of sub-par shitty DLC. Just stop releasing this crap, unless your gonna do it right.
  • metalangel #16 2 years ago

    Another pile of overpriced old crap gets 6 out of 10. If your closing paragraph says it's not worth the money, then there's no way it can be a 6.

    No interest in this. While the game is fun to mess around in in Free Roam, and the co-op missions gave an evening or two's fun, this always was about the singleplayer and there is no disguising it. GTA works better in multi just because the cars and bikes allow for fast paced fun which horses can't hope to match. Alas, not enough is made of the sedentary pace of RDR, with too much of the fun diversions (like the gambling) gone from multi where they would have fit perfectly. The competitive games just failed to hold my interest.
  • Soton4084 #17 2 years ago

    Too expensive for a multiplayer DLC pack. I'm saving my money for the new Borderlands DLC
  • pevans34 #18 2 years ago

    I just started getting into the multiplayer aspect of RDR. The controls are super wonky, but its crazy fun. The problem I had with GTA multiplayer was the maps were too big, things moved too fast, and the controls were just as wonky. It just wasnt any fun. I might pick up this new DLC just for the Fort Mercer location though, THAT should be fun.
  • frostcircus #19 2 years ago

    At least you get to play as Frank Zappa
  • RedPanda #20 2 years ago

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  • Mr_Brown #21 2 years ago

    Never really was going to get this one. The Single Player and Co-Op are where this game shines. The competitive play is ok...but gets old very fast. I don't mind paying 800 points so long as I get some new Gang Hideouts and coop missions and characters.
  • ZizouFC #22 2 years ago

    Bought this. Having fun with the tomahawk in single player. Haven't tried it online yet but im sure it will be pretty useful, as will extra maps; but as some of you said, I see RDR as a single player orientated game and would LOVE some single player DLC.

    As far as I know the final (announced) DLC will be for single player.
  • Emmit_Assassin #23 2 years ago

    The new maps are good fun, and mostly built very well. It adds spice to the already O.K MP experience. Just feckin around and annoying little runts out for bounty highs in free roam is still an awesome way to spend an hour or two. Especially when they find the bug in Chaporosa where they hide in the cellar of the building and shoot everyone. Say hello to Mr Dynamite, and say bye bye to that bounty you just spent 10 mins building up, you little underage gob shites.
  • MrFooknuts #24 2 years ago

    £7.99 for fence of areas from the single game, a new weapon and a few new skins, great, where did I put my credit card.

    I actually like RDR multiplayer but this is worth less than £1 and that's being kind.
  • Demiath #25 2 years ago

    I've so moved on from RDR (a nice but ultimately fairly traditional and forgettable open world action game). As usual, DLC is too little, too late.
  • xenoss #26 2 years ago

    I used to hate DLC's but now I'm ok with them; so long as they're reasonably priced and packaged, and are actual additions to the game, instead of things that are naturally part of the game but are kept outside the original release so they can make more money. (eg. Assassin's Creed 2's "corrupted memory segements";)

    Good/ethical DLC: Borderlands, GTA4. They are like expansions we used to buy in the old days, but digital, smaller sized, and cheaper. They are the new expansions; mini expansions.

    Bad DLC: MW2 and now RDR.

    Map packs are the worst DLC's. Segmenting the player pool, and when it cost this much it has no excuse. This pack would have been fine if it was 2 bucks. And that's because I love RDR, I'm willing to overlook the fact that these environments are in the game already. Why aren't they in the original release? Or if they needed time to tweak, why aren't they free? They should be. but I can overlook their greed for the quality game they created, so I'm willing to let them rip me off of 2 dollars. But no, they're charging me $10.
  • Emmit_Assassin #27 2 years ago

    The only reason I'm ok with buying this is cause I got my points at half price, so it works out cheaper or me. If I'd had to pay full whack, then I wouldn't have bothered. Its too pricey for what you get.
  • Nukemasta #28 2 years ago

    What baffles me is they should have made this the free dlc and sold the co-op dlc for 800 points. I bought it just for the sake of it but it isn't worth 800 points